DMT - A Mind Altering experience, be careful.

[Cazman043]

Alan Watts said, "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen…"

I am not a full member to the Nexus, but, being a part of the noobies in the Nexus community i'd still like to take time to bring to light the fact that DMT is not for everyone! I say this in utmost respect toward the Spirit Molecule known to be DMT. We here can sometimes become obsessive with the experiences that we have, and this is natural, as this "drug" has extremely mind altering capacities. However, we do need to be cautious on our journeys toward the moon. We can sometimes forget that our minds have their limits and think that we are somewhat invincible. DMT will take you to your limits and beyond, sometimes it will take you much farther than necessary, and, i try not to generate fear towards this molecule, but i simply want you to contemplate whether or not you are committed to the path that DMT will provide. It is a journey which is not always necessarily beautiful, something of ecstatic universal imagery, love and peace, be prepared for whatever it is you see. To move toward the experience with a recreational intention can completely shatter those whom are not ready for its ability to, quite literally, rock your world, try to set a serious intention with use. You are exploring the most powerful psychedelic known to man, it will provide you with what it believes you need, have a ceremony before use, clear the energy, meditate, play some music, what you give away, you will receive.

Please be mindful when you're about to use this psychedelic. Weigh your doses, make sure you are in a good mindset, in a safe environment, if you are new to the experiences, have someone close by to look after you if things get difficult, you can always call upon the universe if you are struggling in an experience. We need to take caution in our journeys, remembering we are fragile beings whose minds can be seriously altered. Some are not ready for this path, you will know when you're ready, it will feel right, you will feel comfortable and confident, you will respect, love and appreciate the molecule with a complete attention.

Remember life is about the journey, i've noticed many Nexus members seem to be seeking a destination, you are already there, it is already within you, there is no need to seek, simply be! This moment, right here, right now, is all you need, if this moment calls to you and asks you to smoke DMT, that is when you know you're ready.

 

[Enoon]

Thank you for this well meant warning/advice.

Personally I never liked the sound of the phrase "DMT isn't for everyone" - it makes it sound like the people who chose not to take it are somehow not as evolved or ready as others to experience their true self. I'm pretty sure this is not what you want to say, but to me it always sounds like this.

I rather like to think of it like this - if you liken DMT to a microscope, it is a tool in a sense, to look at very small things. But you would not use a microscope to analyze meteorological processes - so you would also not use DMT in situations that it is not appropriate for. It would simply not show you anything useful. This has nothing to do with readiness or level of consciousness but has to do with individual circumstances and paths.

Also, the idea of there having to be a specific use for an experience as profound as that of DMT is very western. We tend to do this here in the forum - asking ourselves "what is the gain", like if there were no measurable gain it would be a waste of time... I think this is not true, but I guess this is a problem we have culturally; it's simply difficult to justify anything, if there is no increase in something desireable. In other philosohpies desire is seen as something harmful. I think sometimes it might be interesting instead of asking ourselves - "what is the value of this experience?" - to ask ourselves, "what is value, and why should I care about it?" This as a more rethorical question to ponder upon.

In life we are very often NOT ready for certain experiences and yet they happen, and we deal with them in one or another manner. DMT is like a lesson on control and how little we have, but it's so much more as well. In the end DMT is DMT, we deal with the experience in one way or the other. It is up to us to impose some sort of value on this in order to judge whether we continue, or whether we don't.

 

[Cazman043]

Thank you for you words of wisdom, very much provoking some thought, i appreciate your concern and need to integrate further these new ideas.

 

[Adjhart]

Alan Watts said, "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen…"

I love Alan Watts - I have listened to hours upon hours of his speeches. I feel like he speaks directly to me and experiences/the experience I've had. But when you say DMT isn't for everyone - my opinion is that while that may be true, that's not the message Alan Watts was sending.

The most profound moment of my life happened on a DMT trip - complete and total experience of unity consciousness. The absolute pinnacle of my awareness. Since then, the above paragraph makes perfect sense. I have always read profound trip reports and have seen the urge in people to undertake very long integration periods. I always thought to myself "No!, who would want to stop? - It's so fun!". But I hit a point where DMT gave me everything I was looking for. I have not smoked DMT since that trip - even though I love DMT - I just can't figure out what I want it to do for me. The Zen Buddhists say that when you truly don't know what you want, you are desireless, and you 'act without acting'. Meaning that you're engaged in the present moment. That DMT trip was, just as Alan described, a telescope to the inner me, not anything else.

Sure, there are plenty of people who psychedelics are not 'for'. But it's kind of an oxymoron, in my opinion, because the people who I think shouldn't take psychedelics are the people who are so mentally confuzzled, so caught up with everything artificial in life, that they couldn't possibly graciously receive the message of a psychedelic trip and therefor would have some type of adverse reaction. It's an oxymoron because these are EXACTLY the types of people who need it most.

Sure, there are physical factors that keep some away from psychedelics, but in response to that, there is always another method of achieving an altered state, if the person truly does understand that the purpose of altered states is to look within.

Again not disagreeing with your caution, only making a speculative analysis on what Mr. Watts' meaning there was.



Another bit you said though, definitely hits home.

Remember life is about the journey, i've noticed many Nexus members seem to be seeking a destination, you are already there, it is already within you, there is no need to seek, simply be! This moment, right here, right now, is all you need, if this moment calls to you and asks you to smoke DMT, that is when you know you're ready.

This is a recurring theme with Alan Watts and Zen Buddhism, CHERISH THE MOMENT.

 

[FluffyClouds]

Thank you for this well meant warning/advice.

Personally I never liked the sound of the phrase "DMT isn't for everyone" - it makes it sound like the people who chose not to take it are somehow not as evolved or ready as others to experience their true self. I'm pretty sure this is not what you want to say, but to me it always sounds like this.

I rather like to think of it like this - if you liken DMT to a microscope, it is a tool in a sense, to look at very small things. But you would not use a microscope to analyze meteorological processes - so you would also not use DMT in situations that it is not appropriate for. It would simply not show you anything useful. This has nothing to do with readiness or level of consciousness but has to do with individual circumstances and paths.

Also, the idea of there having to be a specific use for an experience as profound as that of DMT is very western. We tend to do this here in the forum - asking ourselves "what is the gain", like if there were no measurable gain it would be a waste of time... I think this is not true, but I guess this is a problem we have culturally; it's simply difficult to justify anything, if there is no increase in something desireable. In other philosohpies desire is seen as something harmful. I think sometimes it might be interesting instead of asking ourselves - "what is the value of this experience?" - to ask ourselves, "what is value, and why should I care about it?" This as a more rethorical question to ponder upon.

In life we are very often NOT ready for certain experiences and yet they happen, and we deal with them in one or another manner. DMT is like a lesson on control and how little we have, but it's so much more as well. In the end DMT is DMT, we deal with the experience in one way or the other. It is up to us to impose some sort of value on this in order to judge whether we continue, or whether we don't.

Very very well said.

Thank You.

 

[oversoul1919]

The truth is, nothing can prepare you for DMT experience, and almost everyone who tried this Spirit Molecule told the same. You can read thousands of trip reports, see thousands of psychedelic art images, read and research as much as you want, but it is so profound, so shaking, so otherworldly, so mystical, so shocking...it is just something that you can't experience in this plane of reality. Even people who came back from trips cannot bring everything of it back, because...it just doesn't work here.

Imagine that you're fish. And that for one day you're given an opportunity to live a day as human. You , as a fish start to experience everything that humans do, advanced language, art, entertainment, technology, social life, love, intelligence...everything that humans do and experience.

And then imagine when your opportunity expires, and you return to sea to explain to other fishes what you saw and experienced. Such attempt would be inevitably met with utter failure of oversimplification and inevitable unavailability to find proper "fish words". It just doesn't work. You just can't, as a fish, explain how it is to be a human.

OP has a point. You're going to experience something unbelievable, very profound and very shocking, be it "good" or "bad" trip. Know yourself first. Do you want to throw everything you think you know out of window? Are you sure that you want to dive into this deep rabbit hole, from which where probably isn't way back? (Sorry for the "Alice" reference).

Think. Please, think very carefully. Once you take enough, and enter the Hyperspace, nothing will be same anymore.

If you're still certain that you want to go, happy travels.

Peace and love.

 

[nexusdisciple]

I love Alan Watts - I have listened to hours upon hours of his speeches. I feel like he speaks directly to me and experiences/the experience I've had. But when you say DMT isn't for everyone - my opinion is that while that may be true, that's not the message Alan Watts was sending.

I'm a big fan of Watts as well and understand exactly how you feel about him speaking directly to you. What I find strange about him is that he actually found DMT unimpressive compared to LSD or mushrooms or mescaline. I can't recall the exact paper it was in, but I think it is in the one he wrote about mystical/religious experiences (it is hosted here on the Nexus). He must not of ever broken through...

 

[oversoul1919]

Oh, just to add one of my favorite Zen proverbs:

"Before the enlightenment, chop wood carry water. After the enlightenment, chop wood carry water."

Try to continue with your social life, job, college...like nothing happened. You'll have to survive in this reality in the way it dictates.

 

[Cazman043]

I agree with what you are all saying. But i will elaborate on the point where i say "DMT is not for everyone" I say this in reference to the idea that those who consume DMT, although you cannot be ready, there is a need to be committed. The Nexus shares this interest of commitment with the idea that DMT should only be extracted via the user, rather than bought. This is then strongly supported with the idea that extracting will provide you with things such as, learning experience, it shows you're mature enough, you are committed to the process of understanding and integrating, and ultimately it shows a deep fundamental respect toward the molecule.

So by this, (and I am speaking for myself as I bought for my first time and I believe if I had extracted it first, i would have been more so ready for the mind shattering experience), i mean when someone is "not ready for DMT" and that it is "Not for everyone" i am referring in terms of the commitment one is willing to make toward the path. Enoon made a great point, we all deal with "good" and "bad" experiences however shattering, but i have seen many go down the path and turn to addiction and abuse of alcohol and marijuana, due to their worlds be shattered and they simply were not ready, and could not deal with the ultimate reality bestowed to them present in the psychedelic experience.

It is a path of commitment, the whole journey, when you're extracting, when you're in hyperspace and when you are back to planet earth, there is still a need to be committed to this molecule in order to come out without being so shattered that you fear the universe, you fear yourself, and you fear the sober reality due to your thoughts being completely twisted by the events that take place.