DMT a reality?

[didnof]

Hi there, I'm new to the forum so I thought I'd say a few things first. I'm yet to try DMT but have been interested in it for some time, and the chance has passed my way and I intend to be doing it in the new year sometime as now isn't quite the 'right time'.

I've been very experimental with various substances over the years and have viewed them differently over time, initially it was all about a 'good buzz' when I first started trying things around 20 years or so ago. As I've got older (maybe wiser!) I look for a more spiritual journey and found pyschedelics the best way to achieve this. I've tried most of the things available to most (truffles, LSD, mushrooms, ketamine).Hhowever the most enlightening so far has been salvia divinorum. I had read up about it but the experience was truly mind blowing, other drugs I'd experienced out of body experiences, telepathy etc and all of sudden I found myself on an 'astral plane' and all its wonder (separate story needed).

DMT from what I hear will be another step up so I look forward to experiencing it. I am a string believer in the afterlife and the similarity with near death experiences and DMT reports sound very similar (aware of the release of DMT upon death).... so this long winded intro brings me to my question.

Do users think that the experience they get on DMT is 'real' I nthat you are actually taken to another 'dimension' or is it merely the effect of an incredibly potent psychedelic on the brain? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts as I have my own theories from my salvia experiences.

 

[oversoul1919]

Hi there, I'm new to the forum so I thought I'd say a few things first. I'm yet to try DMT but have been interested in it for some time, and the chance has passed my way and I intend to be doing it in the new year sometime as now isn't quite the 'right time'.

I've been very experimental with various substances over the years and have viewed them differently over time, initially it was all about a 'good buzz' when I first started trying things around 20 years or so ago. As I've got older (maybe wiser!) I look for a more spiritual journey and found pyschedelics the best way to achieve this. I've tried most of the things available to most (truffles, LSD, mushrooms, ketamine).Hhowever the most enlightening so far has been salvia divinorum. I had read up about it but the experience was truly mind blowing, other drugs I'd experienced out of body experiences, telepathy etc and all of sudden I found myself on an 'astral plane' and all its wonder (separate story needed).

DMT from what I hear will be another step up so I look forward to experiencing it. I am a string believer in the afterlife and the similarity with near death experiences and DMT reports sound very similar (aware of the release of DMT upon death).... so this long winded intro brings me to my question.

Do users think that the experience they get on DMT is 'real' I nthat you are actually taken to another 'dimension' or is it merely the effect of an incredibly potent psychedelic on the brain? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts as I have my own theories from my salvia experiences.

I think it is real. However, that is my personal belief, from subjective experience, therefore, I have only subjective proof, most people only get convinced by objective proof (if there's such thing).

However, different Nexians have different opinion, and everybody's opinion is respected here. As the attitude page says, "no one has monopoly over the knowledge." And no one knows for certain if DMT experience is real or not. "Nobody understands what is happening" ~TMK.

And yes, welcome to the Nexus.

Peace and love.

 

[RAM]

This is a commonly discussed topic here on the Nexus. You can use the search to find much longer and more dedicated threads to the topic of the "objective" existence of hyperspace.

Now since you're asking if 'I' think it's real, then yes, I do. Of course there are different levels of real, and it is hard to know if anything we even experience on a daily basis is as real as we think it is. It's really a matter of perception and opinion based on that perception.

So a good way to put it is: hyperspace is as real as what one can and generally does experience on a daily basis. It may even be more real, depending on if you believe it heightens senses outside of our given five. To a point, though, it doesn't really matter, because the lessons you take away would be the same.

Welcome to the Nexus; I hope to hear more about your coming experiences.

 

[didnof]

Hi - thanks for the replies. It's funny as what you're saying echoes my own thoughts as the use of various substances over the years has lead me to the same theories. I believe in the whole 'one universal consciousness experiencing itself' thing and also agree that what the 'reality' actually is, is completely different to what we perceive it - a bit like trying to explain the mechanisms of political systems to an ant, but its us trying to work out how things actually are.

I'll definitely search up the topics on hyperspace, I had a feeling I wasn't going to be the first to discuss the subject!

 

[BringsUsTogether]

I am a string believer in the afterlife and the similarity with near death experiences and DMT reports sound very similar (aware of the release of DMT upon death)...

Well actually nobody has confirmed or provided evidence for the DMT release before death thing; it was just Strassman's speculation.

 

[endlessness]

Welcome to The Nexus!

I highly suggest you check the following links for a high quality discussion on the questions you asked regarding DMT experience's 'reality' :

The Improbability of Hyperspace
The Improbability of Hyperspace Part II
A pragmatic approach: What is "real", and when is it actually useful to ask this?

And yes, as said before (and as mentioned in our FAQ) the whole DMT death thing is just speculation at this point. Regarding endogenous DMT' s function in our bodies, check this thread:

Endogenous DMT: Facts and Fiction

 

[ghettohmbrglr]

would love to see/vote in a poll on whether or not members believe "hyperspace" is objectively real.

i would vote yes.

 

[oversoul1919]

would love to see/vote in a poll on whether or not members believe "hyperspace" is objectively real.

i would vote yes.

I think The Nexus is like 50/50 on this. :d

 

[endlessness]

That'd be going into a false dichotomy fallacy. It's not that simple, two options of the poll don't take the endless subtleties of this subject into account.

Please read those threads, they are really excellent and an enlightening read (plus if more people read then we wouldn't need to repeat these answers so often )

 

[aleph 1ne]

i used to think it was a place real as any. My last few experiences have me questioning that to the strongest degree though. I think it's even more incredible than another dimension. The message in my last experience was that Entities are a sort of program or way of thinking within both the users mind and the totality of human minds. Some are learned through your own life experience and some are with you from the start. Some are responsible for what we call instinct and others are tied to learned emotions or habitual actions. Some are as old as life itself. They potentially exist within the mind of all of us. Maybe even animals too. So i believe where we go is within our minds/ the group conscious. Maybe depends on how deep you go? Think about it. I you were able to see the inner workings of consciousness, the subconscious and beyond... What would it look like?? Through DMT, maybe we get a glimpse of what's really going on in there. We think we know ourselves pretty well, but there are so many facets and angles to us. I speculate that if we were able to see the inner workings of our own mind, it would look so alien to the way we perceive that we may just think it's another dimension altogether. We may think aliens, or elves or etherial entities. And they sure do look that way.
I have wondered from the beginning if the great fractal mandalas and geometric grids are in fact, the energetic communications going on between us and our surroundings. This substance can create such a vast array of experiences, but all of them could potentially be explained through this idea...

So in a way, I guess it is a completely real place, but I'm not sure it's a matter of dimensions as much as a shift in perspective. To see the inside world of mind. The subconscious is so huge in comparison to our conscious. Even just a trip into that would look like a whole new world. Then factor in the possibility of a mass conscious. Heavy stuff. haha

For me, this concept has allowed me to do some real work in integrating my experiences. Learning about myself and making sense of what happens to me when I enter the madness!! It allows me to take responsibility for what I see and therefore not be washed away by the awe of it or the fear of it.
At the end of the day, I'm as answerless as the next guy. This idea has helped me tons though, even if it's only an idea.

 

[spawn9076]

I was going to share everything with you guys, truth is you already all know, regardless of ever having tried DMT.

so I set off on an adventure trying to breakthrough on DMT now I have tried excessively large quantities and feel as though I have only tread'ed on the door steps of a breakthrough.

I say adventure it was more of a battle. I have read several forums and ideas of advice on breaking through. first of I was a little scared and maybe was not hitting as hard as I should and I tried several methods. the best method I found was a vaporizer and a home made extractor fan to fill a large bag of DMT vapors. I started hitting several of these and holding in until my lungs would hold no more. My method was to empty my lungs fully and fully inhale until I could inhale no more then hold my breath until it was impossible not to. at some points I felt like i did not need to breath and it suddenly felt as if time had stopped.

my understanding of DMT

I believe on my most valiant effort of a breakthrough I stepped on the doorsteps off a breakthrough or this may have even been a breakthrough for me.

I seen as what I can only explain to be the source of everything. everyone and everything was connected to this source, the entire universe even.

the way I seen things unfold was that this whole plain of reality does not physically exist and what we class as physical is nothing more than what I can only describe as a dream of a single consciousness. DMT to me is itself "created" by this single consciousnesses as a link to the source. now what this means is beyond me.

My bravest efforts to breakthrough include 0.5g in the vaporizer massive hits and holding in until i could not anymore and watching the room turn slowly into geometry wavy lines and slowly disappearing. My last puff of holding this in with my eyes closed I felt as if I no longer needed to breath and this is when I was shown what I can only describe as a mass of purple gases with a white center. This center to me contained everything from the concept of time, colours, gravity and space itself to our entire universe. This is when it hit me as I lay slowly watching my room return and feeling my nervous system "reboot" feelings, taste, touch, smell all returning with a distinct instinct of being created.

now I ask is DMT even real? well of course in our physical plain. but the way I see it is DMT doesn't exist and neither do we. we are a figment of creation in a single consciousness that much I would be confident to say I know for 100%. now I know there will be some people with different views to mine but that still would not remove that everyone here in this reality only exist's as a creation in this single consciousness.

beyond this single consciousness is something I don't yet understand myself (if I ever will). Is this single consciousness god? are there other consciousnesses beyond ours? is our consciousness maybe a god in its infancy before it becomes self aware? there are many questions that I don't know the answer's to.

One thing I am sure of is that we are all connected to this "source" and that regardless whether our existence in this form has meaning or not. we should live each day in happiness as we have all be given this chance existence on this plain of reality and there is even a possibility that after my existence now that when we die there is nothing more as your single self consciousness becomes part of the "source".

by nothing more I mean as in you consciousness self that I am communicating with you which has "intelligence" may cease to exist including memories of this life, or our life. I have no doubt in my mind that when our physical lives in this realm end our consciousness will still exist just nothing like in the realm. so I guess we should all treat each day with respect an be grateful we have been given this chance exist in this realm.

there is so much more to write on this but i cant get it down right now.

I hope you all enjoyed reading my experience

peace

 

[oversoul1919]

Dunno, mate. When you look at it from certain point, it shouldn't even exist. Or any other psychedelic. :?:

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I'd consider that breaking through. Maybe our reality is another being's DMT trip!?

 

[spawn9076]

I'd consider that breaking through. Maybe our reality is another being's DMT trip!?

cant argue you that. cant argue that every crazy thought or imagination i have is creating a whole new set universe where things happen differently. crazy deep shit though

 

[wearepeople]

No.

 

[Nereus]

An innerworld reality for sure!

 

[spiritualascension]

I would speculate that those who dont believe its the real spirit realm AKA death may not have "broken through".
Obviously based on my statement I believe it to be real.

To truly have the issue proven seems impossible as its a non physical plane so tangible evidence is nigh on impossible, yes people have come back from "breaking through" or NDE. with a proven deeper understanding of the universe and quantum physics etc. but conventional science will not accept that as hard evidence.

Dr Lanza is probably the most renowned for his work in this field of theory, here is a good article on it and a video of Dr Lanza, enjoy

earthweareone.com

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earthweareone.com

I also like to add to the fact that all ancient civilizations, cultures and religions have a belief in afterlife

 

[Felnik]

I've wondered if dmt is real on quite a few occasions actually .
The whole narrative of it is quite compelling on its own .
But also contemplating how we each fit into this narrative
Asking myself on many more occasions why I continue to pursue
This in the first place ? And how did this happen ?
How did I get pulled into this crazy story , this bizarre weird ass story
about one of the weirdest substances known with no clear explanation
of how or why it works in the first place .

 

[Nereus]

How did I get pulled into this crazy story , this bizarre weird ass story
about one of the weirdest substances known with no clear explanation
of how or why it works in the first place .

 

[DreaMTripper]

An interesting paper by one of our fellow members..

Odd cant attach anything, anyway heres another source...

the-nexian.me/home/research/41-building-alien-worlds-the-neuropsychological-and-evolutionary-implications-of-the-astonishing-psychoactive-effects-of-n-n-dimethyltryptamine-dmt