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DMT and 5 MeO DMT. Which breakthrough experience is more intense?

manifest_jynx

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As I continue to prepare myself for my coming bufo ceremony later this year I keep reading that some people think the 5 MeO breakthrough is easier to handle than the DMT breakthrough.
I've done countless DMT breakthroughs and personally I love the DMT breakthrough, especially with harmalas, and like to think I can handle myself pretty well with it. I'm fully aware how much different the two molecules can be but I'm curious what everybody thinks?

Anyone who's had experiences with both, which one would you say was easier to handle at a breakthrough dose?
 
Well, as with any other inquiry, semantics play a huge role in bringing light to our mutual understanding. So for myself, each molecule has unique aspects of ease and difficulty. Both medicines bring up a certain degreee preflight jitters just krior to lift off. The body load with 5-MeO is gentle and less explossive. The taste of the vapor is kinder, as well.

Nn-DMT fires to witness through a kaleidoscopic cannon and from my 50+ journeys, a good deal of the experience can be recalled in vivid detail. But 5-MeO-DMT takes the pilgrim beyond the field of subjective observation and that can terrify some travelers. Recalling the details presents a problem for many folks, as within the immense vacuum of the nondual field, one's individuation dissolves like an Alkaseltzer tablet in a glass of water. That said, just prior to the peak and immediately upon returning to personal self, there is a treasure trove of illumination and profound healing from the afterglow.

The visuals with Nn are far, far more dynamic and the sonic frequencies heard are more pronounced, especially the carrier wave phenomenon. 5-MeO reliably brings my attention to the fringes of the Divine state, that immersion into the Clear Light of The Void , although one's ego becomes ignited within such an immense fulcrum. All that remains, after the dissolution is the singularity of The One. No entities, no machine elves nor any angelic guides. Many people completely whiteout and remember nothing of the peak, but on my 12 epic voyages, there lingers a remembrance of the eclipsing. And while the quantifiable details of such an ineffible shift are impossible to describe properly, there is a certain deep saturation, if you will, a realignment inside of every iota of one's being, which generates a glorious rebirthing process.

I have imbibed DMT changa a few times and freebase DMT since my initiation with 5-MeO, and the experience has changed dramatically. This is true with psilocybin mushrooms, too. The visuals have become secondary to the unitive sensation, in a far more 5-MeO like way. I'm certain that in time this will be fading away. In my humble perspective, both molecules induce great spiritual insights and each teacher can lift one into a nonafide Samadhi experience. Yet, with Nn you witness the glorious chrysanthemum in an enraptured merging, while 5-MeO is more akin to death and there's a temporary erasure of subjective observations of any kind. Each medicine changed my life in such profound ways that it's challenging to go into great detail and keep the descriptive coherent. Perhaps we might start an enriching dialog?

Aho & Namaste 🙏
 
Perhaps we might start an enriching dialog?
Thank you for the detailed response! I have countless DMT breakthrough experiences and this year will be my first bufo experience, I'm definitely going into this not expecting anything similar to NN DMT and I'm ready for a fresh experience. Genuinely curious, if you had to pick which breakthrough would you say was more intense? I hear a lot of people say 5 MeO was easier to handle than DMT breakthrough wise?
I'm ready and kind of excited for the "near death" experience that 5 MeO is gonna bring as I've felt that many times with a big breakthrough dose of DMT + harmalas and I always come back feeling like a brand new human.
Honestly just excited for whatever bufo can bring to my life and enlighten me on, I'm excited to meet the god molecule! 😁
 
I have imbibed DMT changa a few times and freebase DMT since my initiation with 5-MeO, and the experience has changed dramatically. This is true with psilocybin mushrooms, too. The visuals have become secondary to the unitive sensation, in a far more 5-MeO like way. I'm certain that in time this will be fading away. In my humble perspective, both molecules induce great spiritual insights and each teacher can lift one into a nonafide Samadhi experience. Yet, with Nn you witness the glorious chrysanthemum in an enraptured merging, while 5-MeO is more akin to death and there's a temporary erasure of subjective observations of any kind.
@manifest_jynx This is an important aspect that's often not discussed. The use of 5-MeO-DMT, and especially a breakthrough, will strongly "color" the experience of other psychedelic use that occurs afterwards. I'm not sure if this is due to changes in your physiology or your soul or what, but it's worth understanding that DMT (and others) will become a lot more 5-MeO-DMT-like.
 
Which medicine is more intense? Both entheogens share an intensity which transports the voyager through a transcendent metamorphosis, great suges of energy and alternate realities. That said, 5-MeO immersion is the single most powerful experience I've ever had. Naturally, one feels like one has literally died... and other than the fear and disorientation experienced, there follows this uncanny knowing. I refer to such an intuitive, unitive understanding as, "the remembrance". Each breakthrough is both terrifying and through the unfolding process, most ecstatic. But I am not in favor of directly comparing and contrasting different miracle molecules, as they have their own territories and teachings.

I go into greater detail over at the Five Hive forum. A sister site to the Nexus, so to speak. I also by Rising Spirit and have posted small volumes of what essentially, cannot even be spoken of in our dualistic human language.

 
Which medicine is more intense? Both entheogens share an intensity which transports the voyager through a transcendent metamorphosis, great suges of energy and alternate realities. That said, 5-MeO immersion is the single most powerful experience I've ever had. Naturally, one feels like one has literally died... and other than the fear and disorientation experienced, there follows this uncanny knowing. I refer to such an intuitive, unitive understanding as, "the remembrance". Each breakthrough is both terrifying and through the unfolding process, most ecstatic. But I am not in favor of directly comparing and contrasting different miracle molecules, as they have their own territories and teachings.
I really like this response thank you ❤️ definitely trying to not go into it with any expectations and a clear open mind.
Also thank you for mentioning the forum, I had no idea there was a forum dedicated to 5 MeO so I'll definitely have to take a look as I'm trying to soak up as much information about it as possible.
 
In addition to Rising Spirit's excellent trip reports, I've found this video to offer a pretty good description.

Ive actually watched that one haha it's a really good trip report though
What really gets me is the "oh you've really done it this time" 😂
 
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