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DMT and 5 MeO DMT. Which breakthrough experience is more intense?

manifest_jynx

manifest_jynx

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As I continue to prepare myself for my coming bufo ceremony later this year I keep reading that some people think the 5 MeO breakthrough is easier to handle than the DMT breakthrough.
I've done countless DMT breakthroughs and personally I love the DMT breakthrough, especially with harmalas, and like to think I can handle myself pretty well with it. I'm fully aware how much different the two molecules can be but I'm curious what everybody thinks?

Anyone who's had experiences with both, which one would you say was easier to handle at a breakthrough dose?
 
Well, as with any other inquiry, semantics play a huge role in bringing light to our mutual understanding. So for myself, each molecule has unique aspects of ease and difficulty. Both medicines bring up a certain degreee preflight jitters just krior to lift off. The body load with 5-MeO is gentle and less explossive. The taste of the vapor is kinder, as well.

Nn-DMT fires to witness through a kaleidoscopic cannon and from my 50+ journeys, a good deal of the experience can be recalled in vivid detail. But 5-MeO-DMT takes the pilgrim beyond the field of subjective observation and that can terrify some travelers. Recalling the details presents a problem for many folks, as within the immense vacuum of the nondual field, one's individuation dissolves like an Alkaseltzer tablet in a glass of water. That said, just prior to the peak and immediately upon returning to personal self, there is a treasure trove of illumination and profound healing from the afterglow.

The visuals with Nn are far, far more dynamic and the sonic frequencies heard are more pronounced, especially the carrier wave phenomenon. 5-MeO reliably brings my attention to the fringes of the Divine state, that immersion into the Clear Light of The Void , although one's ego becomes ignited within such an immense fulcrum. All that remains, after the dissolution is the singularity of The One. No entities, no machine elves nor any angelic guides. Many people completely whiteout and remember nothing of the peak, but on my 12 epic voyages, there lingers a remembrance of the eclipsing. And while the quantifiable details of such an ineffible shift are impossible to describe properly, there is a certain deep saturation, if you will, a realignment inside of every iota of one's being, which generates a glorious rebirthing process.

I have imbibed DMT changa a few times and freebase DMT since my initiation with 5-MeO, and the experience has changed dramatically. This is true with psilocybin mushrooms, too. The visuals have become secondary to the unitive sensation, in a far more 5-MeO like way. I'm certain that in time this will be fading away. In my humble perspective, both molecules induce great spiritual insights and each teacher can lift one into a nonafide Samadhi experience. Yet, with Nn you witness the glorious chrysanthemum in an enraptured merging, while 5-MeO is more akin to death and there's a temporary erasure of subjective observations of any kind. Each medicine changed my life in such profound ways that it's challenging to go into great detail and keep the descriptive coherent. Perhaps we might start an enriching dialog?

Aho & Namaste 🙏
 
Rising Spirit said:
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Thank you for the detailed response! I have countless DMT breakthrough experiences and this year will be my first bufo experience, I'm definitely going into this not expecting anything similar to NN DMT and I'm ready for a fresh experience. Genuinely curious, if you had to pick which breakthrough would you say was more intense? I hear a lot of people say 5 MeO was easier to handle than DMT breakthrough wise?
I'm ready and kind of excited for the "near death" experience that 5 MeO is gonna bring as I've felt that many times with a big breakthrough dose of DMT + harmalas and I always come back feeling like a brand new human.
Honestly just excited for whatever bufo can bring to my life and enlighten me on, I'm excited to meet the god molecule! 😁
 
Rising Spirit said:
I have imbibed DMT changa a few times and freebase DMT since my initiation with 5-MeO, and the experience has changed dramatically. This is true with psilocybin mushrooms, too. The visuals have become secondary to the unitive sensation, in a far more 5-MeO like way. I'm certain that in time this will be fading away. In my humble perspective, both molecules induce great spiritual insights and each teacher can lift one into a nonafide Samadhi experience. Yet, with Nn you witness the glorious chrysanthemum in an enraptured merging, while 5-MeO is more akin to death and there's a temporary erasure of subjective observations of any kind.
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@manifest_jynx This is an important aspect that's often not discussed. The use of 5-MeO-DMT, and especially a breakthrough, will strongly "color" the experience of other psychedelic use that occurs afterwards. I'm not sure if this is due to changes in your physiology or your soul or what, but it's worth understanding that DMT (and others) will become a lot more 5-MeO-DMT-like.
 
Which medicine is more intense? Both entheogens share an intensity which transports the voyager through a transcendent metamorphosis, great suges of energy and alternate realities. That said, 5-MeO immersion is the single most powerful experience I've ever had. Naturally, one feels like one has literally died... and other than the fear and disorientation experienced, there follows this uncanny knowing. I refer to such an intuitive, unitive understanding as, "the remembrance". Each breakthrough is both terrifying and through the unfolding process, most ecstatic. But I am not in favor of directly comparing and contrasting different miracle molecules, as they have their own territories and teachings.

I go into greater detail over at the Five Hive forum. A sister site to the Nexus, so to speak. I also by Rising Spirit and have posted small volumes of what essentially, cannot even be spoken of in our dualistic human language.

 
Rising Spirit said:
Which medicine is more intense? Both entheogens share an intensity which transports the voyager through a transcendent metamorphosis, great suges of energy and alternate realities. That said, 5-MeO immersion is the single most powerful experience I've ever had. Naturally, one feels like one has literally died... and other than the fear and disorientation experienced, there follows this uncanny knowing. I refer to such an intuitive, unitive understanding as, "the remembrance". Each breakthrough is both terrifying and through the unfolding process, most ecstatic. But I am not in favor of directly comparing and contrasting different miracle molecules, as they have their own territories and teachings.
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I really like this response thank you ❤️ definitely trying to not go into it with any expectations and a clear open mind.
Also thank you for mentioning the forum, I had no idea there was a forum dedicated to 5 MeO so I'll definitely have to take a look as I'm trying to soak up as much information about it as possible.
 
Here&Now2 said:
In addition to Rising Spirit's excellent trip reports, I've found this video to offer a pretty good description.

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Ive actually watched that one haha it's a really good trip report though
What really gets me is the "oh you've really done it this time" 😂
 
Here&Now2 said:
@manifest_jynx This is an important aspect that's often not discussed. The use of 5-MeO-DMT, and especially a breakthrough, will strongly "color" the experience of other psychedelic use that occurs afterwards. I'm not sure if this is due to changes in your physiology or your soul or what, but it's worth understanding that DMT (and others) will become a lot more 5-MeO-DMT-like.
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I'm curious about this, as doing 5-MeO-DMT is something I plan at some stage but it seems like you are saying it causes a general shift after. Did you notice this effect only with DMT or others also like psilocybin?

My DMT Harmala trips are sacred and profound so I have confidence that if 5-MeO-DMT shifts them at all it will be in a necessary and beneficial direction but as I have mentioned before I already seem to get the God unity experiences with standard DMT, although there is a 'witness' present still.
 
Panpsychic said:
I'm curious about this, as doing 5-MeO-DMT is something I plan at some stage but it seems like you are saying it causes a general shift after. Did you notice this effect only with DMT or others also like psilocybin?

My DMT Harmala trips are sacred and profound so I have confidence that if 5-MeO-DMT shifts them at all it will be in a necessary and beneficial direction but as I have mentioned before I already seem to get the God unity experiences with standard DMT, although there is a 'witness' present still.
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I'm probably not the best person to speak on it since I've used 5-MeO-DMT almost exclusively for a few years, meaning I only experienced its effects on other psychedelics a few times. But yeah, it'll heavily push the general vibe of all tryptamine psychedelics into the white light unity space it's so well known for, even weeks/months after your last 5-MeO-DMT experience. Though I have noticed that the crossover effect subsides after something like a year. It's pretty mysterious, and I'm not sure anyone knows exactly what's going on there.
 
Here&Now2 said:
I'm probably not the best person to speak on it since I've used 5-MeO-DMT almost exclusively for a few years, meaning I only experienced its effects on other psychedelics a few times. But yeah, it'll heavily push the general vibe of all tryptamine psychedelics into the white light unity space it's so well known for, even weeks/months after your last 5-MeO-DMT experience. Though I have noticed that the crossover effect subsides after something like a year. It's pretty mysterious, and I'm not sure anyone knows exactly what's going on there.
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Interesting indeed.
Is the reason you have moved almost exclusively to 5-MEO use because you feel thats all you need now, that its the pinnacle and you are now working on integrating with meditation so other psychedelics dont really have a role as much at this point?
 
Panpsychic said:
Interesting indeed.
Is the reason you have moved almost exclusively to 5-MEO use because you feel thats all you need now, that its the pinnacle and you are now working on integrating with meditation so other psychedelics dont really have a role as much at this point?
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Yeah, that's pretty much the reason I switched. The psychedelic I previously used for spiritual journeying was pharmahuasca, which for me still stands at the peak for unbelievably profound subconscious exploration. But in my experience, 5-MeO-DMT is just something else. It very reliably causes legendary spiritual events, like kundalini and nirvikalpa samadhi. The effects are so incredibly strong that you're often affected for up to two weeks after a major experience, with intermittent bouts of full-on ego death, extreme states of presence, and the experiential collapse into unification/void.

Besides all of that, it's just a great teacher for meditation in the sense that it gives you a guided tour from where you are in your day-to-day life all the way to the crowning achievement written about in all the great wisdom tradition texts. When you've used it enough, you become intuitively aware of what needs to be done to get there without it. Kind of like training wheels on a bike, where you get a feel for the balance needed even though you're using support.

Though I should add that I'm very sure pharma and DMT are still valuable, and I 100% plan to incorporate them into my practice. I just need to figure out where they fit in.
 
It's so cool to see this intriguing thread going through a new review. I feel compelled to say that every medicine I've learned from has been cathartic and most healing. With most of these sacred molecules, there is an epic journey to embark upon and new openings to venture through. I've experienced spiritual oneness and unity supra-consciousness, under the enigmatic spell of LSD, mescaline, nitrous oxide, psilocybin shrooms, MDMA, N,n-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. All paths lead to the same summit, if the seeker is well-practiced in contemplation and seasoned in sitting and/or moving meditation. Of all of these teacher spirits, only 5-MeO-DMT reliably propels the pilgrim into deep Samadhi states. I've personally, never felt so much self-dissolution and spiritual merging with any other sacred medicine. But I'll make myself crystal clear, once again, all paths lead to the same summit. Even smoking a joint can ignite the soul to supreme bliss, unwavering focus, grateful surrender and acceptance. Namaskar All. 🙏✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️
 


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