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DMT and Aliens
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Starvation is apolitical issue, not a matter of availability. That is, people like us eat a loads and consume a lot and we're selfish enough not to share. One of the reasons there is poverty in the world id because developing countries are simply not developed enough. Developed countries love to do "charities" for to satisfy their moral feeling of injustice but in essence they are not helping the situation.
A proposed solution goes somehow like that; give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teacj the man to fish, feed him for life.
Should the developed countries be willing to fund and supply the technological and scientific infrastructure to poorer countries a good deal of the poverty and starvation problem would be minimalised. This, along with the development of industry to the developing countries and making them able to exploit their own resources would be the equivalent of "giving the a fishing pole and teach them how to fish"
But this requires seriously loads of money, politicians are usually much more busy trying to stuff even more in their arseholes so the only actions from our parts is restricted to these shitty philanthropies or "give them some fish to survive the day" which in retrospect creates the false illusion that food is not enough. Food is more than enough and earth has enough resources to feed all its inhabitants.
A proposed solution goes somehow like that; give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teacj the man to fish, feed him for life.
Should the developed countries be willing to fund and supply the technological and scientific infrastructure to poorer countries a good deal of the poverty and starvation problem would be minimalised. This, along with the development of industry to the developing countries and making them able to exploit their own resources would be the equivalent of "giving the a fishing pole and teach them how to fish"
But this requires seriously loads of money, politicians are usually much more busy trying to stuff even more in their arseholes so the only actions from our parts is restricted to these shitty philanthropies or "give them some fish to survive the day" which in retrospect creates the false illusion that food is not enough. Food is more than enough and earth has enough resources to feed all its inhabitants.
If we had a nuclear fusion reactor that would be efficient enough, wich is technically possible we could make fresh water out of seawater, we could make hydrogen out of seawater, so we would not be dependant on fossil fuels that much, with all it's pollution. Agriculture would greatly benefit from this fresh water thing as well.
Ofcourse we this planet could not harbour 9000000000 people, if they all would be eating meat (as much as we in the west tend to do).
Our economic models all depend too much on rivalry and competition. Some people say that competition leads to greater innovation, but i believe that this model is just meant to constitute an aristocratic society and prolong economic unequality in this world. If there ever was one thing the invissible hand of the free market was realy good at, it was to function as an ideological shield. To present extreme social conservatism as if it was in fact liberal thinking.
The WTO is a vehicle for those who believe that live should be a ratrace in wich only the fittest would survive, with ofcourse, those in the higher economic layers of society, benefitting from all this blood, sweat and tears without ever having to stretch a single muscle themselves.
If we would make trade fairer, then the poor countries would be more able to devellop and they wouldn't need all our charity.
Ofcourse, then there would be still poverty anf famine in countries like north-korea and parts of africa lead by official and unofficial warlords. But even dreaming a perfect planet can take a lifetime, let alone realising it.
Ofcourse we this planet could not harbour 9000000000 people, if they all would be eating meat (as much as we in the west tend to do).
Our economic models all depend too much on rivalry and competition. Some people say that competition leads to greater innovation, but i believe that this model is just meant to constitute an aristocratic society and prolong economic unequality in this world. If there ever was one thing the invissible hand of the free market was realy good at, it was to function as an ideological shield. To present extreme social conservatism as if it was in fact liberal thinking.
The WTO is a vehicle for those who believe that live should be a ratrace in wich only the fittest would survive, with ofcourse, those in the higher economic layers of society, benefitting from all this blood, sweat and tears without ever having to stretch a single muscle themselves.
If we would make trade fairer, then the poor countries would be more able to devellop and they wouldn't need all our charity.
Ofcourse, then there would be still poverty anf famine in countries like north-korea and parts of africa lead by official and unofficial warlords. But even dreaming a perfect planet can take a lifetime, let alone realising it.
A free market is the key to solving these types of problems. A free market resources allocation is dictated by availability. If a resource is running low like lets say oil its price should go up and people will either have to find more oil or use an alternative because it will eventually become more profitable. Any interference in this process by governments leads to problems, big problems, the kinds of problems we see in the world today.
This is why aid to most developing countries is a waste. Its all for show.
Well relativity still works and is a valid theory, but yes there is emerging evidence that some kind of information is capable of bypassing the speed of light. What that is and how its working is not known yet.
Yes its very likely other intelligence came before us somewhere, even if they got a million year head start it would make a big difference in how advanced they were.
Yes thats possible but its still just as likely if not more likely that life formed from its basic building blocks under the right conditions. This would have had to happen to any alien species or any other form of life we may one day find even in our own solar system. So the question becomes why aliens doing the planting? This whole situation is almost like how I view religion. Since there is no real evidence for the types of gods that most religions talk about why bother believe in them?
I just think if an alien came to earth it would be almost impossible to cover up so thats why im skeptical about some of the conspiracy theories out there.
i dont know about you guys..but there IS a shortage of seafood starting...believe me..i have many friends in fishing communities..and there is MOST CERTAINLY over harvesting...there are more fisherman than there is room for...things are looking grim in the ocean..believe it
^^All countries worldwide should stop subsidizing fishing industries. This distorts the fishing market and makes fish seem cheaper and more available then they are. Plus it benefits big industry over the small fisher/fishing community. Again freedom solves more problems then government interference. (way off topic from the alien story but oh well 
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)burnt said:^^All countries worldwide should stop subsidizing fishing industries. This distorts the fishing market and makes fish seem cheaper and more available then they are. Plus it benefits big industry over the small fisher/fishing community. Again freedom solves more problems then government interference. (way off topic from the alien story but oh well
Holly shit man you could not be anymore correct!
the Doctor
Rising Star
Infundibulum said:Still, this is not correct reasoning.DMTripper said:
People would first try almost every plant in their surrounding. The number 40,000 tells me nothing. How about trying to think those plants that are sufficiently big to be noticed in the first place? Because a good majority of those 40,000 plants in the list are microscopic plants or not easily noticeable (such as minute grasses and bryophytes).
Both caapi and viridis are fairly big plants, easy to notice (and identify) and I wouldn't be surprised to find that they were among the first 1000 plants to be bioassayed.
Taste is not a problem neither the quantity nor the fact that you have to boil them for 1 day. That's how it goes:
You want to bioassay a plant, say you chose caapi because it also has an interesting trunk. You try a small amount then by increasing amounts you establish that it is not lethal. Then you go for braver bigger amounts. On way is to smoke it, another way is to boil it because chewing the trunk is not the best idea. So you boil 200 g for some time, strain it, concentrate it down because the taste is vile and drink it in one go.
Amazing! you got visions and beta-carboline like effects. This plant is worth for further investigation. After some time it is established that 50g is actually enough for the effect, no need to suffer the taste of 200g. And if boiled for longer the stronger it will get.
Nothing too extraordinary so far. Then, you try this plant in combinations. First with the other psychoactives you may have identified. Some will make it better, some worse. Then with other plants of the jungle. In the case where psychoactivity of viridis alone had not been observed either in humans or animals (e.g. indigenous people could have watched monkeys eating the leaves and going nuts) it would be one of the few thousand candidates-to-be-tried by the people.
And when the do try it, and experience the effects then it is the birth of aya as we mean it.
The whole process of the evolution of ayahuasca is an iterative as well as interactive one and it did take time, maybe a thousand years. But there are no strange odds as to the invention/discovery of ayahuasca. The mathematics of the 40,000 X 40,000 combinations are a bit naive and misleading in this respect.
Never quite looked at it like that, you make a good point. but i personally feel that it would be quite spectacular for them to choose out of so many various combinations and come up with the MAOI/DMT combo.
Read in many sources when asked "who taught you how to brew Ayahuasca" the Shamans would answer the plants taught them. which to me means you could be right in the sense that perhaps they did just take caapi vine, and brewed it up and drank it down, and perhaps whilst in the altered state it created it then perhaps (or spirit guides/ancestors) then told of another plant, or another many plants to combine.
also heard somewhere, of which i can't remember, that it was said that the Mushroom taught them how to prepare Ayahuasca. which i always thought could be the real case. the wholly other, or the beckoning alien intelligence in the higher dimensions who often communicate through mushrooms and the spirit molecule could have easily passed on this knowledge.
well thats my 2 cents.
All kind of things are possible. Maybe they where making a fire when on caapi, and they inhaled some of the smoke.
Or they where just using a whole bunch of plants, never realy knowing wich plants where the active ones, only to gradually narrow it down, etc.
If they where using caapi for a sufficient amount of time, then these discoveries are not that impossible at all.
Or they where just using a whole bunch of plants, never realy knowing wich plants where the active ones, only to gradually narrow it down, etc.
If they where using caapi for a sufficient amount of time, then these discoveries are not that impossible at all.
