Dmt and dreaming

[QuAnTumMind360]

Hello there my fellow Nexians. I have been smoking Dmt for a while now, and I have noticed some weird side effects, for instance; every time I wake up in the morning I notice that my room changes so much that I think that I am under the influence of Dmt, I keep feeling strong vibrations in everything, and sometimes some weird geometric patterns pop out from the walls, and when I look at my hands I see that they are changing shape. The visuals are very similar to the ones that I see during the baseline of a Dmt experience, and this got me wondering, does this have anything to do with the natural production of Dmt? could smoking Dmt have triggered more natural production? did any of you here experience something similar? and if so, is this normal?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thank you

 

[universecannon]

yup, completely normal. its been talked about on the forums many times, and i've also had this as well

no one is quite sure how it works

no reason to worry though :]

 

[Global]

I wouldn't rule out that dreams are based largely on experience as well as thoughts and concepts of focus throughout the day. That is to say, the more psychedelic experiences you acquire, along with an increased stream of attention on psychedelics and the psychedelic experience make it the case that it would be surprising if psychedelic phenomena didn't start popping up in dreams regardless of any endogenous psychedelic chemicals.

Furthermore, it's been demonstrated with fMRI that the nature of dreams and ayahuasca (DMT) were quite distinct. In the fMRI scans, the brain activity for dreaming was quite similar to the activity from closed-eye imagination whereas in the case of those under the influence of ayahuasca, when they were beholding their visions behind their closed eyes, the fMRIs were reading as if their brains were perceiving external open-eyed objects. It leads me to believe that DMT and dreaming may not be so closely connected as we have liked to believe. You must recall that the theory started with Dr. Strassman in the "Spirit Molecule", but it should be noted that he was merely speculating in his book; there was no real evidence to support the claim that DMT and dreaming are linked. In my opinion I think it could have a moderate modulatory effect on dreaming at best.

 

[Baktun14]

The beta-Carboline in Ayahuasca, Harmiline, is what I assume was used in the fMRI and comes to now surprise as it is viewed different to the viewer than their own perception of thought generation. Where it would get interesting in an fMRI is if they lets say vaporized rather pure DMT which if I was betting man would show up different when mapped. I tend to have this thought because the slippery nature of high connective thought which is like waking up or coming "down" into the body again, while the beta-Carbolines slow MAO-A to have the real sense of magic linger in this world long after the experience has happened. The clearest trips I get are almost always 2 hours after I wake up, for me I've been trying to map my own circadian rhythm in correlation with the felt experience to have better ground work down before I can confidently show what this is to people close to me very curious about this bright compound. I am intrigued about how long this phenomenon lasts for you in the morning, I think this means you might have naturally low MAO-A, which is a good trait to have as most artist, thrill seekers and entrepreneurs fall into the same category. Having just about 170 break through's under my noggin I have yet to have such vivid experience the next morning other than dream recollection which I must pay much attention to or otherwise just pass.

 

[Global]

The beta-Carboline in Ayahuasca, Harmiline, is what I assume was used in the fMRI and comes to now surprise as it is viewed different to the viewer than their own perception of thought generation.

First of all, why do you assume that it was just harmaline used in the fMRI? Secondly, the fMRI indicated that in the case of ayahuasca, they were not perceiving their own "thought generation" but was indicating as if they were perceiving external objects. The brain was reacting antithetically to the way it does in the dream state in which the brain did not register "surprise" due to the perception of its own thought generation in dreaming as it is similarly not "surprised" at imaginary imagery that it generates.

 

[QuAnTumMind360]

@universecannon
"yup, completely normal. its been talked about on the forums many times, and i've also had this as wel"

Interesting! so apparently, I am not the only one experiencing this!

@Global

what I am going through is not exactly dreaming;I am able to move my body quite easily as I go through the experience, thus we can rule sleep paralysis out of the equation. The reason I associated the side effects with dreaming is only because they get a hold of me right after I wake up and/or before I go to sleep. I have also noticed that I began dreaming more often ever since I started using Dmt, and this as you have stated might be related to our subconscious minds' recreation of experiences that occupy our thoughts, but nonetheless it would be interesting to perform a study to determine whether endogenous Dmt has any relationship to dreaming.

@Batkun14
"I am intrigued about how long this phenomenon lasts for you in the morning"

It usually lasts 10 to 20 seconds after I wake up.

 

[Baktun14]

The beta-Carboline in Ayahuasca, Harmiline, is what I assume was used in the fMRI and comes to now surprise as it is viewed different to the viewer than their own perception of thought generation.

First of all, why do you assume that it was just harmaline used in the fMRI? Secondly, the fMRI indicated that in the case of ayahuasca, they were not perceiving their own "thought generation" but was indicating as if they were perceiving external objects. The brain was reacting antithetically to the way it does in the dream state in which the brain did not register "surprise" due to the perception of its own thought generation in dreaming as it is similarly not "surprised" at imaginary imagery that it generates.

Your right that if they used the vine it wouldn't just harmaline, sorry I was thinking along the lines of pharmausca than the original.

If this happens again with you in the morning, during those few seconds focus on your breath and tell me how far you can go on?

 

[Global]

The beta-Carboline in Ayahuasca, Harmiline, is what I assume was used in the fMRI and comes to now surprise as it is viewed different to the viewer than their own perception of thought generation.

First of all, why do you assume that it was just harmaline used in the fMRI? Secondly, the fMRI indicated that in the case of ayahuasca, they were not perceiving their own "thought generation" but was indicating as if they were perceiving external objects. The brain was reacting antithetically to the way it does in the dream state in which the brain did not register "surprise" due to the perception of its own thought generation in dreaming as it is similarly not "surprised" at imaginary imagery that it generates.

Your right that if they used the vine it wouldn't just harmaline, sorry I was thinking along the lines of pharmausca than the original.

If this happens again with you in the morning, during those few seconds focus on your breath and tell me how far you can go on?

Why do you assume only vine was used? I'm pretty sure the experiment was conducted with admixture (DMT).

 

[universecannon]

(side note: afaik there is way, way more harmine in ayahuasca vine then there is harmaline)