DMT and Lucifer

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Sooo.....WHY would you give a random person that seems like a nutball dmt? The whole story's weird and makes no sense.

I can't understand why some people take the bible or any other religious/mystical/philosophical way-of-living text and automatically assume the accounts of the the figures and events to be LITERAL representation. Some half naked dudes up in space battling it out in the early days of the universe with some all-encompassing sky daddy that says "this is right" or "this is wrong"..........!?!?! :roll:

To dwindle the birth of existence/universe down to some literal representation is severely depleting the sacredness and beauty of existence itself. To ascribe human-like scenarios to the creation of LIFE itself is very limiting and unfortunate.

Sorry to veer off topic slightly..it's just I feel very strongly towards stuff like this.

 

[olympus mon]

OM I do believe in lucifer, and Jamie I believe sin is an illusion, the only sin is lack of love like where the bible says god cannot exist where there is sin translates love cannot exist where there is fear. Sin is actually just the opposite of love which is truth. I believe that none of the angels have direct access to the true source of all things which is god and only the being that is described as gods son had access. Lucifer believed in life and death and rebirth being inherent in all beings regardless of a god he couldn't see and thought this son was lieing to keep control of the universe. So lucifer convinced a third of heaven to come with him, so the son had no choice but to shut our universe off from the rest of heaven like a spiritual breaker box, because even lucifer had free will he wasn't aloud to stop it. That is why we suffer here not because of god I believe it is our own creation, and gods son is taking his time in hopes that lucifer will ask to be forgiven.

No its not at all offensive it just surprises me. Btw I wasn't trying to be condescending with that question some think of this stuff metaphorically but after reading this above reply it looks like you actually believe this whole heaven hell battle of the devil and now lucifer getting his own crew actually happened in the past! :shock:

That is just mind blowing to be! Again Im not trying to belittle you just sitting here shaking my head wondering how somebody with experience with psychedelics opening their minds to think for themselves could believe in all this litteraly.

Thanks for responding though. Cheers!

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

OM, I have even seen this battle in my trips, but it is not a physical battle. That's where people make it sound far fetched. It's more of a disagreement. Once I saw Krishna and he spent a long time showing me the structure of it and showing me the only way to win is to actually not fight, realizing this has kept me sober for 19 months after I applied it to my addiction and quit fighting, addiction being a spiritual battle in itself imo. So to me this belief and Entheogens go hand and hand, just as you shake your head wondering how I can experience the two, I wonder how can someone have one without the other.

 

[SWIMfriend]

OM, I have even seen this battle in my trips, but it is not a physical battle. That's where people make it sound far fetched. It's more of a disagreement. Once I saw Krishna and he spent a long time showing me the structure of it and showing me the only way to win is to actually not fight, realizing this has kept me sober for 19 months after I applied it to my addiction and quit fighting, addiction being a spiritual battle in itself imo. So to me this belief and Entheogens go hand and hand, just as you shake your head wondering how I can experience the two, I wonder how can someone have one without the other.

Believing that every idea that wanders into your mind represents something "real"...indeed represents accurately anything AT ALL is....unwarranted.

Sometimes (actually, often) people have wrong ideas or confused perceptions. This is a truth of the human experience; and in order to NAVIGATE the human experience it's necessary to be aware of that.

 

[olympus mon]

OM, I have even seen this battle in my trips, ... So to me this belief and Entheogens go hand and hand, just as you shake your head wondering how I can experience the two, I wonder how can someone have one without the other.

Congratulations of sobriety! That's no small thing.:thumb_up:

To address the quotes above is easy. They dont go hand in hand for me because they were not my trip and even if they were I never take what I see or learn as literal fact. I always keep in mind the perceptive quality of the psychedelic experience. ALWAYS!

You had this experience and I didnt. Keep in mind that is most likely because you already have preconceived beliefs in this subject and I certainly do not. That's why Hindu's see Krishna or other diety's in their NDE and Christians see Jesus and not all mixed up.

Im a little more relieved that you don.t feel this was an actual physical battle that took place in reality. Seriously that is just as delusional as it gets imo. Often times people use quotes from their holy text's as if they are infalable truth but never consider the very real possibility that these holy books may simply be human books and not at all from the divine even if their is the DIVINE. In that case their entire life was lived in beliefe of a lie and this real possiblity is plenty of motivation for me to need to see some actual evidence to the claims. I could not just gear my whole being around some beliefs for my entire life without checking the facts.
Does that make sense to you?

Thanks for replying and not taking offense to my questions. I just want people to always seek the truth and its rarely found in dogma if ever.

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

That's certainly a bit much that I would believe everything that comes into my mind. My beliefs do work for me and keep me quite sane centered, balanced and off of the bottles and needles. But its a two way street, I realize its offensive to a lot of people so I try and understand that when I talk about it, I also try to keep it to myself when It's not in topic, but its actually quite suited for this thread. At the same time it strikes a nerve, not that people take such offense at the traditional religion passed from word of mouth that has been so hateful, but that at first mention I am usually totally discredited and never get a chance to discuss it with individuals who's opinion I actually rather enjoy. Specifically here on the Nexus I'd love to hear peoples opinion on the Urantia book, just rather difficult finding someone who would actually take the time to look into it, if for nothing else its a magnificent read. I'm lucky to have found quite a few people in my life that share these beliefs and there are a lot more out there. I've seen a couple of times people here were not met with great enthusiasm for expressing similar beliefs. This is one entheogens should be allowing us acceptance, not too mention the very thing users of substances seek from others, as i said it is always a two way street. We have to all learn to be ok with seeing things different and work together for a better whole instead of trying to prove our points. I'm guilty as well but its all part of it, being able to let go and be cool with each other.

 

[olympus mon]

Again Its not offensive to me and its not offensive to many other anti theist I know. Its just baffling.
If somebody posts an add selling something that looks to good to be true Id want to see some evidence it is what they say before i go paypal them the money on their words. Its the same thing to me as God's and sin's.

The Arguement for Ignorance comes to mind here. When we dont fully understand something through science humankind seems to always fill that gap with Gods and Goddess's. Its alwasy been the case. Until we understood natural catastrophe it was Zues throwing lightning down to earth ext.
I agree with the poster that said to simplify the creation of our reality and universe with a God underminds the complexity and sheer awe inspiring beauty of the natural world.

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

"to simplify the creation of our reality and universe with a God underminds the complexity and sheer awe inspiring beauty of the natural world."

To me is not the case, though beautifully put, To believe there was nothing originally creating conflicts with what i learn from nature. It's hard to explain/understand something through words when words tend to confuse us by taking it too literally/physically when its a spiritual understanding.

 

[Fondoo]

I once read that the original root meaning of sin is to miss the mark. Like an archer who misses a target. So to sin is for a being to miss understand the natural laws that govern it.

An example would be a being who chooses to channel hatred because it feels it is necessary and also feels empowered by it. this being is ignorant to the power of wrath rooted in compassion. One way sickens the other expands. The being of hatred is ignorant and trapped , the being of compassion sees this.

It was written that before Buddha nirvana'd he paid a visit to the great Brahma and told him his mistake.
he said something like God, you are the firstborn of the universe not the creator of beings. You were born here from other realms based on your kharma like the rest of us.
told off God in his own house go daddy go!!

 

[Eliyahu]

olympus man wrote:

You had this experience and I didnt. Keep in mind that is most likely because you already have preconceived beliefs in this subject and I certainly do not. That's why Hindu's see Krishna or other diety's in their NDE and Christians see Jesus and not all mixed up.

I don't think that upbringing or preconceived beliefs always has an effect on a person's psychedelic experience. In my case for example I was raised to not believe in either god or the devil as my mother was a practitioner of witchcraft. Despite this I have seen not only Christian, but also Buddha, Hindu, Native American, Mayan, Inca, Mesopotamian themed "hallucinations".

Except for Christianity, I had no exposure to any of these things.(I was made to go to christian school in kindergarten for "discipline" I hated it),
There are also many reports of poorly educated natives in south America having Ayahuasca experiences that involve complicated Greek mythology themes and imagery that are clearly out of the context of their upbringing.

 

[Infinite I]

Also my favourite Meta-physical author and world-wide healer Stuart Wilde, explains this concept extremely well. And has even had the opportunity to come face to face with this misunderstood energy.


BUT we should respect everyones opinions no matter what they are. Who am I too judge

I agree you should respect opinions but how can he be one of your favourite authors when he says 93% of us are going to hell guaranteed??? Are you in the special 7% or something??? must be nice lol

 

[WarriorSage]

Also my favourite Meta-physical author and world-wide healer Stuart Wilde, explains this concept extremely well. And has even had the opportunity to come face to face with this misunderstood energy.


BUT we should respect everyones opinions no matter what they are. Who am I too judge

I agree you should respect opinions but how can he be one of your favourite authors when he says 93% of us are going to hell guaranteed??? Are you in the special 7% or something??? must be nice lol

I am not aware of this and I highly doubt he would say that but i may be wrong?? I do not believe I am in anyway special or superior, he has taught me that Also he does not believe in your typical "hell" but more of lower frequencys procuded by fear concept. Its like giving dmt to someone who is not ready and does not know what they are getting in to and are filled with hatred, fear and axiety. They will most likely get slapped.

Also just because I read stuarts books and blog does not mean I completely agree with what he says. I like to think of it from my own perspective

 

[Infinite I]

Cool of course you should think for yourself, a friend of mines said the same thing about Stuart Wilde just take what you can and he had a lot of good stuff then his recent book which I couldn't see on his site when I looked there, he said gay men go to hell, meat eaters go to hell, fat people go to hell big list, he seen hitler walking around in with them all and he's a messnger to save the 7% went right off him after reading that and forgot all about him!

 

[olympus mon]

olympus man wrote:

You had this experience and I didnt. Keep in mind that is most likely because you already have preconceived beliefs in this subject and I certainly do not. That's why Hindu's see Krishna or other diety's in their NDE and Christians see Jesus and not all mixed up.

I don't think that upbringing or preconceived beliefs always has an effect on a person's psychedelic experience. In my case for example I was raised to not believe in either god or the devil as my mother was a practitioner of witchcraft. Despite this I have seen not only Christian, but also Buddha, Hindu, Native American, Mayan, Inca, Mesopotamian themed "hallucinations".

Except for Christianity, I had no exposure to any of these things.(I was made to go to christian school in kindergarten for "discipline" I hated it),
There are also many reports of poorly educated natives in south America having Ayahuasca experiences that involve complicated Greek mythology themes and imagery that are clearly out of the context of their upbringing.

Really good points you brought up Eli. That's pretty damn interesting about the natives having visions of greek mythology! That's why I just love this path of ours! I never stop learning. Good thread. :thumb_up:

 

[WarriorSage]

Cool of course you should think for yourself, a friend of mines said the same thing about Stuart Wilde just take what you can and he had a lot of good stuff then his recent book which I couldn't see on his site when I looked there, he said gay men go to hell, meat eaters go to hell, fat people go to hell big list, he seen hitler walking around in with them all and he's a messnger to save the 7% went right off him after reading that and forgot all about him!

It just doesnt sound like stuart or his beliefes at all? Would love to know the name of this book. Maybe your friend misread what he was trying to imply?? I hope so lol

 

[Infinite I]

Cool of course you should think for yourself, a friend of mines said the same thing about Stuart Wilde just take what you can and he had a lot of good stuff then his recent book which I couldn't see on his site when I looked there, he said gay men go to hell, meat eaters go to hell, fat people go to hell big list, he seen hitler walking around in with them all and he's a messnger to save the 7% went right off him after reading that and forgot all about him!

It just doesnt sound like stuart or his beliefes at all? Would love to know the name of this book. Maybe your friend misread what he was trying to imply?? I hope so lol

Sorry but I read it myself he said it. Ive discussed it with friends who read the book and strangers on the Internet. Some of them claimed to know they are in the 7% who will be saved and live in heaven lol It was a year or two ago I read it ill try remember what one, id read a few of his books in the same period, last one i read for obvious reasons! So for now your just going to have to my word for it, not like I'm going to make such things up. 93% of humanity goes to hell, he elaborates on this hell saying there's a large wall and in hell you eventually lose your limbs and join a mush of negative and were all basically headed there, unless your special of course. Nice positive stuff to know your a sinner who is damned, heard that one before eh?? Lol

 

[motiv311]

What? dude why would you give DMT to a stranger? I dont understand this..

So you got some random stranger to come to your house to trip out with you and they claimed to be the devil?

Something about all this is just weird man.

We were having a party and this guy showed up, scottish, with an attitude. He was obviously very lonely and he kept doing stupid social things until everyone left, cause of the awkwared situation, and prety soon he was just plain mad! I had no idea who invited him;

he told me he was an inactive gaang member who used to slang meth, pcp, heroin etvc etc. . I told him about dimitri, the new next level shit. I think ANYONE who is not insane and wants to dmt should get the chance. ... ??? is that ok?

 

[scudge]

Sooo.....WHY would you give a random person that seems like a nutball dmt? The whole story's weird and makes no sense.

I can't understand why some people take the bible or any other religious/mystical/philosophical way-of-living text and automatically assume the accounts of the the figures and events to be LITERAL representation. Some half naked dudes up in space battling it out in the early days of the universe with some all-encompassing sky daddy that says "this is right" or "this is wrong"..........!?!?! :roll:

To dwindle the birth of existence/universe down to some literal representation is severely depleting the sacredness and beauty of existence itself. To ascribe human-like scenarios to the creation of LIFE itself is very limiting and unfortunate.

Sorry to veer off topic slightly..it's just I feel very strongly towards stuff like this.

Word!

Not everyone is open to the idea we exist on this rock alone, primitive, without purpose, no dimensions except this one. The only thing we have is ideas, any idea given weight will manifest itself into your reality, not trying to sound new age, for all we know there really is nothing except the now. If your not having fun your doing it wrong.

Also we are no where near capable of understanding whats really going on.

 

[WarriorSage]

Sorry but I read it myself he said it. Ive discussed it with friends who read the book and strangers on the Internet. Some of them claimed to know they are in the 7% who will be saved and live in heaven lol It was a year or two ago I read it ill try remember what one, id read a few of his books in the same period, last one i read for obvious reasons! So for now your just going to have to my word for it, not like I'm going to make such things up. 93% of humanity goes to hell, he elaborates on this hell saying there's a large wall and in hell you eventually lose your limbs and join a mush of negative and were all basically headed there, unless your special of course. Nice positive stuff to know your a sinner who is damned, heard that one before eh?? Lol

Yes i saw discussion, all them people on that forum called Stuart very negative but they were all extremely negative themselves and had very little knowledge of him. With this 7% he does believe majority of the world is not ready for what is too come. He believes majoiry of the world is negative and full of fear and hate and are confused.. I would not disagree. He teaches you to overcome these negative emotions and believes these emotions send youself spiralling down. He taught me to have a warrior mindset as well as to produce OBE's(I had some extra help from an experienced lady). Alot of the world would be too scared to have an OBE or do dmt or to even think about doing something so out of this world. I know 99% of my friends will never do it because they say they are scared and couldnt mentally handle it.

Maybe this is what hes getting at or maybe not haha

I am going off topic now so if you wish to continue PM me:d

 

[Infinite I]

What? dude why would you give DMT to a stranger? I dont understand this..

So you got some random stranger to come to your house to trip out with you and they claimed to be the devil?

Something about all this is just weird man.

We were having a party and this guy showed up, scottish, with an attitude. He was obviously very lonely and he kept doing stupid social things until everyone left, cause of the awkwared situation, and prety soon he was just plain mad! I had no idea who invited him;

he told me he was an inactive gaang member who used to slang meth, pcp, heroin etvc etc. . I told him about dimitri, the new next level shit. I think ANYONE who is not insane and wants to dmt should get the chance. ... ??? is that ok?

What's the fact that he's Scottish got to do with anything?? It's like your saying oh the guy had an attitude plus he's Scottish as if being Scottish is a bad thing! You get people with attitudes from every nationality! the new next level shit?? Seriously is that how you described it to a stranger you have just met who seemed like a bit of dick?? And you gave him it anyway, bound to go wrong bad setting strangers who have attitudes not exactly conducive to good times is it?

Oh and Lucas I don't know what discussion you seen and I doubt it's the one I had with people tbh just the whole gays go to hell meat eaters go to hell blah blah blah puts me off, sorry for derailing everyone just think he's a bit of crackpot Lucas sorry lol