dmt and salvia

[still seeking]

couple of questions please regarding salvia and dmt.
i have tried salvia x20 twice now and both times it blew me away and i was not in control of my body,although it lasted only about 5-10 mins.i saw someone else on it and that was a scary experience to watch them.
this was our first time.
then there was the video where the couple smoke salvia and the guy falls out the 2nd story flat.
Salvia is legal in the uk,but how dangerous is it actually if you are not aware or in control of the situation?

Dmt i have tried a couple of times and seems much calmer than salvia.
you are still aware of who you are ,what you are doing and it it managable(from the experiences i have had).

is salvia a much stronger leaf than dmt?

was 20x too much for a first time smoker?

i,ve seen people running into walls and doors or squirming on the floor with salvia on you tube.

is this irrisponsible smoking of a to a high dose.

thanks.

 

[Doodazzle]

Salvia is utterly alien to human consciousness. Weird and dissasociative.

DMT is endogenous to the human body.

 

[Global]

couple of questions please regarding salvia and dmt.
i have tried salvia x20 twice now and both times it blew me away and i was not in control of my body,although it lasted only about 5-10 mins.i saw someone else on it and that was a scary experience to watch them.
this was our first time.
then there was the video where the couple smoke salvia and the guy falls out the 2nd story flat.
Salvia is legal in the uk,but how dangerous is it actually if you are not aware or in control of the situation?

Dmt i have tried a couple of times and seems much calmer than salvia.
you are still aware of who you are ,what you are doing and it it managable(from the experiences i have had).

is salvia a much stronger leaf than dmt?

was 20x too much for a first time smoker?

i,ve seen people running into walls and doors or squirming on the floor with salvia on you tube.

is this irrisponsible smoking of a to a high dose.

thanks.

Salvia simply has this tendency that you've noticed that DMT doesn't, and that's to create this sort of "zombie" (Sally D Zombies). The user often becomes unaware of his body and its actions, and the body can feel compelled to get up and stammer around while you're "off" somewhere else. For this reason, salvia can be a bit more dangerous than most other psychedelics including DMT, and is more necessary to have a sitter.

DMT on the other hand, whereas it may facilitate out-of-body experiences, the body is usually safe and immobile while you're off exploring the universe. There are some very rare cases (most often on high overdoses and 5-MeO overdoses) where the user has been reported to thrash out of control of which the user was entirely unaware, and may have even been in a blissful state, but I stress that this is rare with DMT.

Salvia is much more of an ego crusher. It can make you truly forget everything about yourself in such a deep way. With DMT, when I "forget who I am", it's only because I've stopped thinking about who I am or what I was doing or any of that. The instant it hits me that I don't entirely realize what's going on, it all comes back to me. It's more like just being so incredibly distracted that I've forgotten about myself in the equation. Now with the dissociating salvia on the other hand, the ego loss tends to be much more severe. Upon being faced with the dilemma of not knowing who I am, where I am, or what I am doing, I remain clueless. When I wonder what drug I've taken to make me feel like "this", I can't remember, and if I can come up with the name "salvia", I wonder to myself "oh, I wonder what that does"...even though of course it's going on full-blast in my face at the time. In general salvia (particularly at high smoking doses) is a more negative and uncomfortable experience than DMT. It's easier to smoke "right" than DMT so it's easier to feel its effects, and it's certainly more potent than DMT with its dose range in the micrograms.

It's really hard to say what's too much. As a first time smoker, I suppose you should start lower to better acquaint yourself with it. It can be extremely powerful. One time I merged completely with the couch - identity and all; I thought to myself, "I'm just a couch. No friends. No one to talk to. People just sit on me...I'm just a couch." Exercise caution, and have a sitter present.

 

[gualapa]

was 20x too much for a first time smoker?

i,ve seen people running into walls and doors or squirming on the floor with salvia on you tube.

is this irrisponsible smoking of a to a high dose.

thanks.

I made the mistake once of buying 20x for my first time, only it wasn't me who paid for my actions. My friend finally broke through, we were passing around a bong and kepting loading bowls (we were using a bic light, terrible idea). You really need a torch lighter otherwise you're practically wasting it, salvia needs a much higher temp than weed to burn or something.

anyways, 20X + the amount we smoked was far too much for him. He broke through and just saw colors, he couldn't make anything out, literally just blankets of colors that were flipping like the pages of a book. he freaked out thinking the only thing he had to do was stop the colors from flipping. when he finally came back he was pretty strange for about 30 minutes than went to bed. I felt terrible for doing this to him.

anyways, next time I just bought 10x and purchased a butane/torch lighter, using a Bic was stupid because we had to use so much salvia that when it finally got to a high temp, my friend had a ridiculously large hit of potent salvia.

either way doodazzle & global are right. your pattern of thinking is just completely unpredictable (and of course it messes with different receptors than dmt does). nevertheless, if you're interested in it then explore it. you already know this since you've done it but make sure you can handle it and prepare your setting so you won't break anything, lock doors, it's a great idea to have a sitter tho i never use a sitter for anything b/c I'm far more comfortable without one, (but that's probably because I don't have any friends interested in actually learning about psychedelics and bringing something meaningful back, they all just take what's fun and go at it from there)

 

[Solar Jetman]

I brought some salvia tincture off a supplier not long ago and i'm keen on giving that a whirl.

Does any know what the dosage is for a liquid sub-lingual application?

Cheers

 

[Cercle]

That's depend on your tincture concentration.

Wiki said is active at 200ug

Average salvinorin a concentration on fresh leaves can be between 0,89 and 3,7 mg/g. so do the math ^^ (source:EMCDDA)

 

[Solar Jetman]

Cheers for the info.