DMT and various nootropics

[seeingtheineffabl]

Hey everybody,

I'm looking for some advise about the effects of certain nootropics and DMT. My friend is having some very odd experiences lately. Usually DMT brings about a very strong euphoria and powerful mix of emotions like love, happiness, amazing feeling of finding the answers to everything. However, lately he has started taking noopept and experimenting with racetams like aniracetam and oxiracetam to possibly remedy his studying problems from ADHD.

Ever since the addition of the nootropics all of these feelings are no longer there, but the trip itself is also different. It is much slower with a much larger component of mental clarity. There is also a more earth based trip, for example traveling to Egypt in the time of the pharaohs. He said he was put on trial there and there were feelings of anxiety and worry but at the same time he was completely aware of himself still. The lack of emotions like love and acceptance is alarming to him.

He has yet to try a breakthrough dose though for fear of a bad experience due to the removal of positive emotions. All of these effects are from around 20mgs. Has anyone had any experience with this? Im not sure if the nootropics are causing this or the fact that he is at a low point in his life right now. Any discussion is very appreciated, he has no one else to talk to about any of this.

Also this is my first post here, long time reader but had to make an account finally to post.
Thanks for your inputs!

 

[wearepeople]

Hi Seeing,

Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the combination of nootropics and DMT.

Please read this. The words in that section have been incredibly helpful to me.

I wish your friend well,
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[DreaMTripper]

Its interesting because racetams utilise acetylcholine among other things which is a neurotransmitter and neuromodulator they can have significant but subtle effects on many brain chemicals and will no doubt have an effect and modulate or change the areas that DMT affect.
Piracetam is known to potentiate tryptamines and phenethylamines.
The human brain is incredibly complex and the DMT experience incredibly variable so an either or conclusion is too simplistic its more than likely all the factors combined.

People have commented before that the clarity of mind is much sharper even clinical while other say too clear and they are not able to immerse into it leading to an overwhelming flooding of sensory input.

That experience sounds very interesting seeingtheineffabld maybe it is a metaphorical translation of the current state of mind, the trial being the current studies undertaken, after all the education system is one of the many tests of modern life and judgements are made on us from our progress or lack of.
In short maybe the student is feeling the pressure and this is the source of the anxiety during the experience.

 

[SentientFlesh]

... ...Piracetam is known to potentiate tryptamines and phenethylamines.
The human brain is incredibly complex and the DMT experience incredibly variable so an either or conclusion is too simplistic its more than likely all the factors combined.

People have commented before that the clarity of mind is much sharper even clinical while other say too clear and they are not able to immerse into it leading to an overwhelming flooding of sensory input... ...

I've had much experience with DMT + various racetam compounds over the last few months. My experience is not that they potentiate the DMT at all, though they certainly alter the experience. I take a regimen of either Piracetam, Oxiracetam, or Aniracetam + Alpha GPC for the last 2 months; 3 days on, 2 days off. I is worth noting that on my off-days from nootropics, I consume 200-300mg dried, ground P. cubensis mushroom. I generally use nootropics 2 months on/2 months off.

I am a frequent visitor to hyperspace—I like to go about once a week to check up on things and give my mind a good cleaning.

The effects of all the racetam compounds are quite similar with DMT, so I'll use Oxiracetam at a dosage of 400 mg 2 x daily as my example as that was my most recent combination.

I use a dab rig for my DMT. I've found heating the nail until it is red hot and letting it cool for ~40 seconds produces consistent breakthrough trips at lower doses than other methods (25-45 mg depending on potency). I have not had a sub-breakthrough trip until I began taking racetams again.

At 10:00 AM I took 400 mg Oxiracetam. 4 hours later I prepared and vaporized 45 mg of very pure DMT. I felt the same nostalgic warmth during the come up, but it almost felt like I was simply going through the motions because I was so familiar with what to expect from that dose of DMT. Colors and sounds were enhanced much more than on DMT alone.

I found your statement that "clarity of mind is much sharper even clinical" to be an accurate description of the trip. It was as if I was experiencing my breakthrough vicariously through someone nearby. I caught the occasional figure in my peripheral, and there were some closed-eyed visuals but my ability to "let go" was vastly diminished.

That word, clinical... that is exactly how it felt. Part of my mind was exploring hyperspace, while another part of my mind was sitting back and taking notes; analyzing the trip and my reactions fastidiously. I find that generally right before I breakthrough on DMT alone, time feels as though it is being sped up 3-4x until I exhale into another world. On Oxiracetam though, time sped up slightly, but stayed consistent.

The one time I had a breakthrough trip on Oxiracetam, I was able to exist completely in hyperspace with my eyes closed, and completely in this world with my eyes open. The act of opening and closing my eyes was turning hyperspace on and off. This is the only racetam (or experience in general) where this has been the case. Every time I had the distinct feeling that if I kept my eyes closed, I could perpetuate the trip ad infinitum.

It was a strange few trips indeed, they all had this similar quality of the part of my mind tripping being somewhat disconnected from the rest of me. I can't say I would recommend it regularly, but it felt so much more like an analysis of the trip-state than an actual trip itself that I would recommend trying it at least once for the experience.

It was an incredibly insightful experience on the ability of the mind to maintain two distinct yet very separate streams of consciousness at the same time, and lends credence to my own theories on the mind's allocation of bandwidth; namely that the mind can hypothetically maintain a great number of streams of consciousness at the same time, all of which can be accessed by some means, whether it is DMT, meditation, dehydration, sickness, death or other psychedelics. I hypothesize that all possible states exist simultaneously always, and that one must "know the password," so-to-say, in order to unlock them.

 

[schmexus]

It's widely acknoweldged that nootropics and other psychoactive drugs in general modulate the DMT effects, which engage a very large number of cognitive modalities. One of my preferred racetams, pramiracetam, does have an emotional numbing effect on its own (perhaps the result of prioritising higher cognitive functions by allocating more of otherwise limited neurological resources), which is indeed very useful for high intensity cognitive work, because it prevents getting distracted by other more "fun" activities. It is to be expected that this would be carried over during the effects of DMT.

From personal experience, racetams and even uridine, can help with remaining more composed during even rather intense DMT effects, with the trade off that the experience feels somewhat more abstract and insipid. However I also noticed that with persistent redosing in the same day, eventually the balance might tilt again and the satisfying depth of the DMT effects is restored.