DMT Color Change

[Fragout]

I've attached two pictures. One is the DMT as it was when it was first scraped. I was shocked by how much it was and I thought it was 3 or 4 grams which would have been incredible for 100g MHRB (assuming it wasn't mainly impurities). Turns out it was just super fluffy.

So after it was weighed it ended up being almost exactly 1 gram. That wasn't bad considered I already had half a gram from the first pull. After I put it all in a little plastic jar and started shaking it around it started breaking up and forming into more of a powder. The powder was basically the same color as when it first came out.

Later the DMT was left under a blanket in a plastic jar and when it was recovered some hours later it was noticed that the DMT was sticking to the walls and caked up in some places and was now much darker. The jar was scraped and it was rolled around on paper to try to dry it up so more and it still weighs almost exactly 1 gram so I don't believe I lost anything to the heat. I was just curious if anyone else has had this happen to them? I was so happy to see a yellow product rather than the previous brown ones (like here Insufflation Problems - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus ) and now it looks like I'm back to brown, lol.


P.S. the lighting is different in the pictures (as well as the cameras) but it is a darkish tan color.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

What color was the spice when it was first extracted? Was it white, or even yellowish? The color in the pictures looks like there may be contamination, but if it was the proper color originally then maybe contamination is not the case...

My other thoughts would be that maybe it oxidized? I dont know how quickly oxidation can occur, and you didnt have it for very long before it had a color change.

I have read reports of spice that has been tan colored, but your spice seems a little darker then what I have heard of. Hopefully someone else could chime in on this soon.

I believe a way to test for purity would be to place a little bit on a spoon, and hold a lighter under it. If it liquefies and vaporizes from doing this without leaving anything behind, then it should be pretty pure and ok to smoke. Dont quote me on this though, hopefully someone else can verify that process or tell me if I am wrong. Also, it should smell strongly of indole when doing this process.

 

[anrchy]

To me it just looks like you got a lot of plant fats and oils. Just do a re-x.

Did you place it directly into a plastic container after scraping it up? I prefer glass especially if there is the possibility that some solvent hasnt evaporated all the way.

 

[Fragout]

It was like in the first picture. I would say it was a between yellow and tan. Sorry, I can't really explain it any better than that. The color in the first picture is how it looked though.

If anyone else can confirm the spoon thing I'll give it a try once it is done with its Re-X. However, I can't say that I know what indole smells like.


It was maybe 15 minutes later, anrchy.
I realize now that one needs to wait before they store it. I didn't know DMT comes out fluffy at first. It was thought the entire pile was basically dry as it wasn't leaving any wetness behind on the papers.

 

[Entheogenerator]

If anyone else can confirm the spoon thing I'll give it a try once it is done with its Re-X. However, I can't say that I know what indole smells like.

Mothballs. And this idea of spoon-vaping a small amount is unnecessary because a properly-performed re-x will remove any impurities that are in the spice (which judging by the picture, I would guess is a considerable amount).

 

[Gone-and-Back]

I should of thought of performing a re-X on it, but for the purpose of seeing how pure the spice already is the spoon method would be a good start. If it were to melt and vape and smell strongly of indole, then it should be ok to smoke. I honestly prefer to have plant fats and oils in my spice, I find it creates a somewhat more welcoming and warming experience. Almost like the fats and oils wrap you up in a hyperdimensional blanket that slows down the onset somewhat and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. At least this is what I experienced with my fat and oil heavy changa that was made from extracted Chaliponga spice.

 

[Du57mi73]

I think the problem lies in your original pulls. I suspect your naptha was murky brown when you let it freeze? And then the re-x didnt fix that at all so you thought it was natural for it to be that way? I dont know. Regardless, i would try a mini a/b to clean it.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I should of thought of performing a re-X on it, but for the purpose of seeing how pure the spice already is the spoon method would be a good start. If it were to melt and vape and smell strongly of indole, then it should be ok to smoke. I honestly prefer to have plant fats and oils in my spice, I find it creates a somewhat more welcoming and warming experience. Almost like the fats and oils wrap you up in a hyperdimensional blanket that slows down the onset somewhat and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. At least this is what I experienced with my fat and oil heavy changa that was made from extracted Chaliponga spice.

Nooo... The smell of indole is merely indicitive of the presence of DMT, it in no way determines that it is pure. Brown coloration can indicate that small amounts (possibly even tiny droplets invisible to the naked eye) of the aqueous solution made it into your solvent. This means that there could be traces of lye in it, and I would highly recommend a re-x or a mini A/B as Du57mi73 suggested.

 

[Fragout]

I think the problem lies in your original pulls. I suspect your naptha was murky brown when you let it freeze? And then the re-x didnt fix that at all so you thought it was natural for it to be that way? I dont know. Regardless, i would try a mini a/b to clean it.

This, though I would not have described it as "murky" brown but something of a moderate brown.

Still trying to clean up from the first pull. 2 Re-X's were done and each time I have less and less but the color just doesn't change. I'm guessing it's not going to? My question now would be is it safe to make changa with? I've read that lye vaporizes and incredible temperatures that couldn't be made with a lighter and the changa will be smoked in a big water bong, should that not help with filtering out the lye?


The extractions are getting better and better each time but now there is around 2 grams of stuff of a multitude of colors (see pic). I just want to make changa as smoking DMT freebase has been unsuccessful due to lack of proper smoking vessels + burning the DMT.

Would you guys still recommend I clean up everything or just the brown stuff? And is there anyway to not lose so much each Re-X? I've heard about using heptane, is it really all that much better at Re-X?

 

[Gone-and-Back]

I should of thought of performing a re-X on it, but for the purpose of seeing how pure the spice already is the spoon method would be a good start. If it were to melt and vape and smell strongly of indole, then it should be ok to smoke. I honestly prefer to have plant fats and oils in my spice, I find it creates a somewhat more welcoming and warming experience. Almost like the fats and oils wrap you up in a hyperdimensional blanket that slows down the onset somewhat and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. At least this is what I experienced with my fat and oil heavy changa that was made from extracted Chaliponga spice.

Nooo... The smell of indole is merely indicitive of the presence of DMT, it in no way determines that it is pure. Brown coloration can indicate that small amounts (possibly even tiny droplets invisible to the naked eye) of the aqueous solution made it into your solvent. This means that there could be traces of lye in it, and I would highly recommend a re-x or a mini A/B as Du57mi73 suggested.

If there are contaminats such as lye, it should melt and vaporize completely? At least this is my understanding of how it was explained to me. If there was contamination some of it should be left behind as a solid once its cools down...correct me if I am wrong though.

 

[sjaman]

I would dissolve some in vinegar then evaporate add some sodium carb and pull that with 99% ipa and evaporate that and crystals will form... well not really crystals but you see a structure...
scrape it up a few times and it get solid with shiny crystals. Just to see if it comes out cleaner but still jimjam. Should work (seen it a few times now when salting out limonene) and gets rid off possible lye and you have a clean product yummy looking and smelling... imho

 

[Entheogenerator]

If there are contaminats such as lye, it should melt and vaporize completely? At least this is my understanding of how it was explained to me. If there was contamination some of it should be left behind as a solid once its cools down...correct me if I am wrong though.

Ok yes, theoretically that could work. I think it could be difficult to do correctly though. This method would be using conduction to vaporize the small amount of spice. Conduction makes it extremely hard to regulate temperature, and makes it very easy to burn the spice rather than vaporizing it. I'm not positive, but I think burned spice leaves behind some solids. So if that is true, then this method would be likely to leave behind solids regardless of how pure it is.

That was a misunderstanding though. Your last post lead me to believe that you were just going to vape it off a spoon and if you smelled indole you would assume it was good to go, so I felt like I should say something.

 

[Du57mi73]

Fragout, I forget what you tek you used to get your spice but your problem is from your bark/heat. When bark is heated with lye to a high temperature the bark starts to break down and you get micro fine plant particles that refuse to settle in your naptha. This can happen if you add the bark too soon after adding the lye or if you add outside heat too much while its in the basic solution. This doesnt happen with all bark, just some. I would suggest you use different bark next time. Lets just say your bark is "sensitive". So be mindful to make sure the heat is reduced when bark is being used, and remember to wait a bit after adding your base to add your bark.

As for cleaning your spice, no its actually not necessary. You can use that spice. Just make some changa and itll be fine. The smoke might be alittle more harsh due to the tiny bark particles still in your spice. But i dont think youll notice much if youre smoking changa.

I have had this happen to me before and i could not clean the spice no matter how many times i re-xed it. But i did find a way to help the situation. You are going to have to take a loss if you want cleaner spice, but it is possible. Re-x your goods. Once its back in the naptha you need to let the naptha sit for a while, 2-3 days. Do NOT heat it during this time. In fact, cooler temperatures are better, but you dont want to cool it enough for the dmt to drop out. After several days at a moderately cool temperature you should start to see the brown drift to the bottom of the naptha but still be suspended in it. Its all gonna be one layer so look closely. Slowly siphon off the top, cleaner naptha that doesnt have as much brown in it. You can use that naptha and retrieve your spice from it and allow the other brown naptha to sit longer. slowly you will keep having thin layers atop the naptha that are not brown. just keep removing them until youre not comfortable with them.

Another thing you can do to help you is use a long thin jar to freeze precip. If you do this youre going to have very clean spice cling to the sides of the jar that you can scrape out with a spoon. Youre still going to have your brown spice collect at the bottom, but you can keep repeating this process to get as much clean spice as possible.

It is impossible to smoke lye. You simply cannot turn it into a vapor with the flame of a lighter. It does not melt. It does not do anything. You can however suck it through your piece. But that wouldnt be that bad. Just be careful.

Hope this helps.

 

[Fragout]

Fragout, I forget what you tek you used to get your spice but your problem is from your bark/heat. When bark is heated with lye to a high temperature the bark starts to break down and you get micro fine plant particles that refuse to settle in your naptha. This can happen if you add the bark too soon after adding the lye or if you add outside heat too much while its in the basic solution. This doesnt happen with all bark, just some. I would suggest you use different bark next time. Lets just say your bark is "sensitive". So be mindful to make sure the heat is reduced when bark is being used, and remember to wait a bit after adding your base to add your bark.

As for cleaning your spice, no its actually not necessary. You can use that spice. Just make some changa and itll be fine. The smoke might be alittle more harsh due to the tiny bark particles still in your spice. But i dont think youll notice much if youre smoking changa.

I have had this happen to me before and i could not clean the spice no matter how many times i re-xed it. But i did find a way to help the situation. You are going to have to take a loss if you want cleaner spice, but it is possible. Re-x your goods. Once its back in the naptha you need to let the naptha sit for a while, 2-3 days. Do NOT heat it during this time. In fact, cooler temperatures are better, but you dont want to cool it enough for the dmt to drop out. After several days at a moderately cool temperature you should start to see the brown drift to the bottom of the naptha but still be suspended in it. Its all gonna be one layer so look closely. Slowly siphon off the top, cleaner naptha that doesnt have as much brown in it. You can use that naptha and retrieve your spice from it and allow the other brown naptha to sit longer. slowly you will keep having thin layers atop the naptha that are not brown. just keep removing them until youre not comfortable with them.

Another thing you can do to help you is use a long thin jar to freeze precip. If you do this youre going to have very clean spice cling to the sides of the jar that you can scrape out with a spoon. Youre still going to have your brown spice collect at the bottom, but you can keep repeating this process to get as much clean spice as possible.

It is impossible to smoke lye. You simply cannot turn it into a vapor with the flame of a lighter. It does not melt. It does not do anything. You can however suck it through your piece. But that wouldnt be that bad. Just be careful.

Hope this helps.

Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek was used. The first couple extractions were done using near boiling water baths. In my previous topic (and in several other posts that I've seen) steppa recommends to use a temperature around 40°C. An extraction was tried using a temperature around 40°C and the naptha layers seperated so fast is was amazing. The naphtha came out nice and clear/white and the spice came out very very white. It was quite beautiful really. Since it was confusa though it all melted into a goo when drying, which is what we were looking for that particular time.

So I realize now the temperature of the warm water bath can affect the purity of the naphtha.


It's good to know the spice I have is good for changa. I really didn't want all that work to go to waste. I don't think I will Re-X it again though as like you said the lye won't vaporize and it will be smoked out of a water bong with a few different chambers of water (to hopefully catch any lye that was sucked in).


Thanks for the help guys. I keep on making rookie mistakes. Things that I think won't affect the purity of the end product seem to always have at least something to do with it. Learned a lot though and hopefully my next changa will be made with much cleaner DMT.

 

[Entheogenerator]

It's good to know the spice I have is good for changa. I really didn't want all that work to go to waste. I don't think I will Re-X it again though as like you said the lye won't vaporize and it will be smoked out of a water bong with a few different chambers of water (to hopefully catch any lye that was sucked in).


Thanks for the help guys. I keep on making rookie mistakes. Things that I think won't affect the purity of the end product seem to always have at least something to do with it. Learned a lot though and hopefully my next changa will be made with much cleaner DMT.

I wouldn't put water in your bong when you smoke it. The water will cool the vapor which could cause it it crystallize more rapidly, wasting some of your spice. Dry is the way to go when it comes to DMT in a bong.