DMT extraction questions.

[TheCaterpillar]

So I have 250 grams of acria confucius root bark powder and was planing to use 100 grams for an extraction. I know that it has NMT and that NMT is oily but it doesn't bother me I smoke hash oil all the time anyways. So I was going to put the 100 grams in a mason jar and add some water then add some sodium hydroxide and naphtha shake it up and let it sit add more sodium hydroxide and repet. Then separate the layers and just dry it in a baking dish and scrape up the oily goo with a razor blade.

My question is can I use old sodium hydroxide and naptha I happen to have both in my garage but it's been there for a year and it gets hot in the garage. I checked the sodium hydroxide today and it heated up from just the moisture on my hands its just stuck in clumps from the heat. The naphtha is still naptha but im not sure if i can use it? what do you guys think about using it and btw I know I could go acid to base with the bark for higher purity but I will take high yield ovar purity any day.

 

[BongWizard]

Yeah they should both be fine to use. It'll be harder to to dissolve the NaOH if it's gone clumpy it will dissolve with enough of a shake up tho (way easier if you bust it up a bit tho).

You don't wanna add the naphtha until you're ready to extract, so if you want to do a straight to base method, dissolve your NaOH first (50g per litre will do nicely) then add your bark (incidentally, is the bark shredded or powdered?). Mix it up, mix it up, mix it up. Do this a several times for the first couple hours, then let it sit overnight (time for the NaOH to lyse the plant material is essential here). In the morning, mix it up some more. Now add 50mL of naphtha and gently mix (rolling, inverting, swirling, but no shaking). Allow the naphtha to separate out and repeat this mix and separate step 2 or 3 more times. Remove the naphtha layer and place in an evap dish. Add more naphtha and repeat at least 3 more times. Now allow your solvent to evaporate and you'll be left with what is essentially acacia jungle spice.

If you want a cleaner product (ie less fats more goodies) there are many better teks out there, this is just a crude extraction utilising what you have on hand. If you've got some vinegar and coffee filters too you can get fairly clean spice quicker and with little more effort.

As for the yield vs purity question, if you do it right, you should get all the DMT and associated alkaloids out either way, it's just a question of how much other junk comes with it.

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Well im new to DMT so a impure jungle spice might be better for me sorta like training wheels. And I havent seen the bark yet because its sunday and you know what doesn't come on sunday but I checked online and it's in my town and so will be here tomorrow. sorry for being so cryptic but im worried they might get mad because of their "sourcing" rules. But is there a pressure build up because if i leave it overnight then I shouldn't seal it right?

 

[BongWizard]

During the initial mixing you will have to open the jar between shakings. The heat produced by the lye dissolving in water causes it to expand and build pressure, but once the solution cools, no more pressure will build.

Jungle spice can be good, but excess fats gives it a horrible, stick-in-the-back-of-your-throat taste. It's this taste and smell that I have seen put so many people off. You mentioned you smoalk hash oil a fair bit. IMO, the taste isn't any harsher, but it really does stay with you. It's a taste I've grown to love, but for new hyperspace travellers it can be off putting. Just thought I'd pre warn you.

 

[TheCaterpillar]

but excess fats gives it a horrible, stick-in-the-back-of-your-throat taste. It's this taste and smell that I have seen put so many people off. Just thought I'd pre warn you.

Im a weird dude I love the taste of dry mushrooms LSA is the only thing that I can't handle taste wise. Ive never not been able to smoke anything though its drinking I can't handle. Wish me luck on my journey i'll probably post back in a week or two with my first DMT report.

 

[BongWizard]

I'm very much the same brother... Not a fan of drinking filthy brews, but I'll smoalk just about anything.

Start slow and keep an open mind and you'll be fine. Happy travels!

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Hey what can I expect yield wise from the bark its supposed to be root bark and got good reviews. I read 4% is active chemicals so 4 grams?

 

[BongWizard]

You might get 4 grams of jungle spice, but that's not all actives. The best yield I've ever got was 1.29g from 50g of powderised ACRB (2.58% yield of beautiful white tryptamines). Expect a yield in the realm of 2% pure actives from a confusa.

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Im thinking im just going to do it the proper way so I should boil it in vinegar water first then do my extraction right? maybe freeze the naphtha extract and get as much pure stuff as I can and then dry it and have a little of both? Idk its just if the stuff is sticky I will probably waste a lot trying to pack it in bowls and move it from containers and stuff. Would you say it has the consistency of iso hash oil or butane hash oil.

 

[Godzy]

why not just extract as crystals instead of goo and make your life a lot easier, i bet you'll have a hard time smoalking that goo as well, pretty sure it doesnt burn like regular hash oil.

instead of evaping the naptha after pulls, evap half of it, cover the lid and place in a freezer for 24 hours. pour out naptha, place back in freezer upside down for 15 minutes, remove and evap watever naptha left and you'll have some nice crystals. my first extraction i did with 50g of MHRB and only got about 250mg so dont be disappointed if you dont reach that 2% yeild on your first try. and dont do more than 100g. good luck.

 

[BongWizard]

Im thinking im just going to do it the proper way so I should boil it in vinegar water first then do my extraction right? maybe freeze the naphtha extract and get as much pure stuff as I can and then dry it and have a little of both? Idk its just if the stuff is sticky I will probably waste a lot trying to pack it in bowls and move it from containers and stuff. Would you say it has the consistency of iso hash oil or butane hash oil.

Soak in vinegar over night, boil for an hour or two the next day and then filter out the bark before you base the solution and you'll end up with a lot less fat. Most of the goods should be I'm aqueous solution after 12 hours soaking then a couple boiling. So by removing the bark before you base and pull with nps will mean most of the fats and tannins stay in the bark. This way you can evap and get clean white product, although the crystals won't be as sharp (may not even crystallise, but white goo vapes just like crystals).

The problem with smoalking yellow goo is the fact that the fats dissolve the DMT. So you have to burn the fat off to get the DMT vaped. Means you gotta takes half a dozen tokes to pull a cone just to make sure the DMT gets vaped and doesn't end up wasted in the bottom of your implement.

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Well I ended up just doing it the lazy way i've still got about 200 grams though it's super red it was black now it's like liquid red idk whats up. It smells like something I know but I can't put my finger on what it is something I know from when I was a kid its very naturey. Im playing it some aya music for good vibe I spilled some on my fingers but had vinegar at hand (thank god it burnt a little bit). But should I leave it till it cools then add my naptha its warm to touch like 100 degrees or more.

 

[BongWizard]

Deep purple colour is exactly what you wanna see, and warmth is your friend here, most folks will use a double boiler to keep the temp around 60C. You've gotta give it time to lyse the plant cells before you add naphtha. At least a couple hours, but the longer the better.

I got that sense the first time I smelled DMT as well. Like I'd smelt it before but couldn't pick what it was (a lot of folks I've given their first whiff say the same too). I still can't really explain it, so when people say they know the smell I tell them "it's the smell of your own brain."

 

[TheCaterpillar]

I think it smells like the woods I used to play in as kid like the moss in the summer. Idk though its very earthy and my friend said dmt smells like burning plastic im not sure.

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Its cooled down a lot its not realy hot anymore and it turned from violet red to a very dark purplish color. Im going to let it sit on the window it's hot out so ill leave it there till tomorrow and do the three 50 ml pulls tomorrow i've got some desiccant to speed up the drying processes ill let you guys know how it goes. But thanks for all the help you guys are awesome :thumb_up:

 

[BongWizard]

Since it's non polar solvent which is not miscible with water, desiccant won't help accelerate the evap. The most important factors are ambient temperature, exposed surface area and air flow.

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Thanks man im a little freaked out my naptha has rust in it (I think) it's old and the can got rusty but i'm going to filter it with a coffee filter. Anybody know what smoked rust can do to you? Im going to smoke it out of a pipe with tobacco on top so I don't think I can get tetanus because im not eating it. But im going to filter till its nice and clear.

 

[Naabi]

Just a hint, you can make changa (enhanced leaf) with the goo and it'll work very well!

 

[BongWizard]

Only smells like burnt rubber when you scorch it. And you want have to filter it if you do your pulls carefully, they'll come out transparent yellow

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Thanks man I might make changa I have some syrian rue I can extract and put on there as well. But I decided to add 100 ml of naphtha to be safe and put it in a hot bath. Now that its nice and warm I shook it up for the last 30 min and now im leaving it to go to bed ill extract it tomorrow the layers didn't separate yet idk whats up with that (it did a tiny little bit but not much). I think it just needs time to be still.