dmt extraction - zero yeild - need clarification

[dingdong]

Not sure what this method is called (naptha 50ml, calcium hydrixide 38g, white vinegar 50ml, mimosa hostilis rootbark powder 50 g).

proceedure:
add vinegar to bark and stir
add 60 ml near boiling water and stir periodically 30 min
add calcium hydroxide stir periodically for 1 hour
add water until texture of oatmeal
add naptha and submerge the bowl in boiling water mix and sit 25 min
freeze naptha in bowl overnight


Attempt one. It became soup because of too much liquids.
Attempt two. I didn't use specific measures of any ingredient to try to get the consistency right. Sometimes added additional bark powder to get better consistency... No yeild only a few small clumps of something I dont know what is.

QUESTION:
Is the ratio of naptha, to calcium h., to white.... that important????
ALSO
what percentage of acetic acid should there be in the vinegar, i used low aromatic naptha is that wrong?, what specific temperature range should the "near boiling water" be?
AND
am I doing something wrong other than this?

 

[endlessness]

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

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Try all the above suggestions

Hope that helps

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Sounds you've been trying the naphtha variant of q21q21's tek...

Spoiler

some people might know that as Gordo's tek, but whatever.

add naptha and submerge the bowl in boiling water mix and sit 25 min

(This corresponds to #2 in the list to which endlessness linked.) While the naphtha is in contact with the bark/lime sludge, it all needs to be stirred constantly. The point of doing this is to maximise contact between the naphtha and the bark. Think about what it is you're trying to achieve. The reason for stirring should then become obvious.

Incidentally, I'm guessing (hoping?) you didn't completely submerge the bowl in the hot water, rather you used it as a heat bath. Obviously that would complicate matters, but as they say, you never know :?. Ideally you would use a pan of such a size that the edge of the bowl rests nice and snugly on the edge of the pan so there's no chance of water splashing into your bowl.

Above all else, PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR INSTRUCTIONS AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING!! That alone should pay you dividends (unless your bark is bunk)

Low aromatic naphtha is great for freeze precip, aromatic hydrocarbons disrupt the freeze precipitation by being far better solvents for DMT at low temperatures than aliphatic hydrocarbons are.

No yeild only a few small clumps of something I dont know what is.

That's not "no yield" then, is it? And how would you know what it is anyhow? It doesn't sound like you're fielding any of the usual analytical equipment at the moment. (Don't worry, most of us don't either - the lucky elite few around here do, however, and that is something worth bearing in mind once you really start getting into this subject )

So, keep on trying, pay attention to the details, and - best of luck!

 

[dingdong]

I used a heat bath.
Stirred it probably 6-10 times. Was afraid it would end up like a particle soup with the bark mixed in with the naptha like it did the first time...

My biggest question is maybe if the amount of calcium h. and vinegar is that important or if I can just eyeball it and throw some in to make the texture right...

 

[dingdong]

i waited a bit more and the lumps grew, and i think i got a few crystals.

Can someone confirm that the lump looking (like tiny translusent translucent slugs) things in the image is DMT?

 

[dingdong]

those translucent lumps have now seemed to dissolved into a liquid i had to discard. the tiny crystals are still there

 

[downwardsfromzero]

The main thing is to ensure there is a good excess of lime in comparison to the vinegar. Adjust consistency with lime rather than bark, or - obviously - water in the opposite direction.


By the way, the golden rule of extraction is never throw anything away until you're sure where the goods are.

 

[dingdong]

thanks for the replies!

in the guide i use you put plastic wrap covering the top of the glass container while you freeze it. and then you discard the naptha and let the crystals dry for an hour...

what do you mean about the golden rule? that if i see lumps like that dissolve (after having first discarded the naptha) i should wait for all of the naptha to dry out and the melted lumps as well even if it takes a lot longer than 1 hour?
or should i try to remove the lumps in advance before they melt?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

You can reuse the naphtha for more pulls. Discarding naphtha is poor form.

The Golden Rule is what it is, I'll have to let you research the general concept of 'Golden Rule' for yourself.


The lumps were dissolving in residual naphtha, so it's a good idea to let the dish drain off in an inverted position in the freezer. Some people prefer to use a straight- sided jam (jelly) jar for freeze precipitation for this reason.

These kinds of useful tips can be picked up by doing extensive background reading in addition to some colour-by-numbers 'tek'.

 

[dingdong]

thanks
I think I have just one more question.

Now that I have a few crystals I'm left with a bit of sticky substance between the crystals that seems like naptha that will not evaporate because its too sticky.
If I try to smoke the DMT, do you believe that if the crystals are mixed with that sticky goo a little bit, that I will not be able to smoke it?
Is the sticky residue something else? Should i try to seperate it from the crystals or gather it with the crystals becuase its sticky DMT?

thanks again!

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Goo is a thing, already much-discussed. Some people even like it.

DMT is polymorphic (in fact I'm fairly convinced it has a mind of its own) and fairly intricate analysis has shown this goo to be almost entirely DMT. The goo can be scraped up and after a few weeks sometimes starts to crystallise. Perhaps this is down to occluded naphtha slowly evaporating, perhaps it's just what the DMT feels like doing.

You can mix them or separate them as you desire, separating would allow you to compare their respective properties although you'd probably want a larger yield first for that to be meaningful.

So, gently but thoroughly stir your paste with your solvent - and follow the other tips in the wiki link. Your patience and understanding will be key to improving the outlook.

 

[dingdong]

great! thanks.

sorry just one more.

could i just swallow crystals with a glass of water or is it more effective to smoke?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Take a look at the wiki - methods of administration. It's all explained there.

The chatroom is also good for asking ongoing lists of questions, although it's a bit hit-and-miss in the welcome area sometimes.

 

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