Dmt + Floatation tank = Breakthrough 100% ?

[a1pha]

The tank is completely sound proof and Dark. In order words you have no senses in there.

Sounds like my bed late at night. However, I find my bed to be a much greater tool than some floatation tank.

1) I have somewhere to put my pipe.
2) It's in the safety of my own home (unless you have $$ for your own tank).
3) I love rolling in various positions under the covers while in hyperspace.

For these reasons, and KISS, I find no reason to switch to a tank anytime soon.

My 2¢.

 

[Guyomech]

Hey, as long as we are de- derailing this thread, I wanted to mention that my post on the previous page contains some important safety advice.

And yes, Vovin is probably the most experienced tank-o-naut in these parts.

I'll say only one thing about the "dual meaning" comment: any negativity contained within that humor can be seen as a warning that psychedelics are serious business. Which they certainly can be.

 

[The Electric Hippy]

Breaking through with a pipe in the float tank would be impractacle for several reasons:

1) No where to set the pipe
2) Risk of pipe sitting in water while you're in hyperspace (you want that salt water as clean as possible)
3) Distracts from the experience of the tank

You would be much better off using a mushroom tincture/tea or pharmauasca, or any other entheogen with mimimal to no side effects on your digestive system.

Heres the thing, if you read the whole thread and had creativity theres many ways to make an indoor pipe.

I did read the whole thread. The idea of a pipe in the tank sounds cool, but that isn't something most people would have access to, nor have the capacity or know-how to build. You also have to consider that even if you did build a pipe into a float tank, you would be spending all that time, effort and money on making a 15 minute experience possible when hours of experience are already possible without that cost by ingesting your entheogen instead of vaping it.

Don't get me wrong. If someone were to do that, I would definitely love to see pics. It would be an awesome project to undertake. But I doubt it would be practical for most people.

My 2 cents.

 

[AfroHorror]

Sounds like its worth trying. Deep meditation + entheogens i don't see how it wouldn't improve upon the experience.
Whether you ingest, vape, or smoke whatever the psychedelic even the idea of the physical body floating in isolation sounds dream-like.
I'm pretty sure you could just bring a water-proof/air-tight container with you in the tank... or attach some velcro strips to the inside with a basket.
Edibles would be perfect no doubt.

 

[Mr.Peabody]

Thanks Trav for getting this thread back on track. Who knew it would go there? :lol:
Yes, laughing is great, and is no form of mind control. We should all laugh more.


A lot of very good points have been made. This biggest is the KISS factor. And since Guyo brought up some other good points about safety, I am more hesitant now, for sure. Were one to lose their sense of body, it could be catastrophic.

I just built a nice little grow room for my chacruna and other plants. It's a nice 70-ish degree temp and nice humidity, very comfortable. When I shut the door and turn out the lights, it is pitch black in there. What a great place for some DMT! I have my power plants with me, darkness, oxygen, comfort. I brought this up because I think a person could get better results vaping DMT in a place like this, than a watery tank of possible doom, and at minimum, very annoying custom made pipe fixture.

So like others have said, I think DMT (vaped, at least) is probably best suited for a dark, comfortable room.

I'm still probably gonna do some floats though, maybe with weed and/or shrooms at some point.

 

[SpartanII]

I had a good experience on one hit of acid in a float tank, but if I were to do it again I would wait till the comedown to enter the tank. IME, consciousness seems to be a little more flexible in that state, and the body more relaxed.

 

[ipumaestro]

ipuma ate several handfuls of p cubensis

he decided he wanted to take a bath/shower, so he filled up the tub

turned off the lights

>>>> 6 hours later

he understood everything



no one even hinted at what ipuma couldve experienced, he had no information, just awe.


ipuma was born that night, tubs are great. beds are better as drowning in sheets is not a medical emergency

 

[AfroHorror]

If you can roll yourself over (floating in less than a foot of water) and drown... maybe you wanted to die?
First man to die in an isolation tank was on K. Sleeping in one still doesn't "sound" safe, but then there is knocking yourself out on ketamine in one.

 

[vovin]

DMT and float tanks are serious business. The experience is taken up a notch to say the least. The floatation tank alone makes one feel as if they have no body and the lack of sensory input puts the mind in chaos and hallucinations ensue.

DMT added to this will take you to the other side in a whole new manner. For me it felt like a true death the few times I experimented with it setting up the Mass of the Phoenix. You lose your body entirely and the darkness alters the tone of the journey but for me it wasn't in a negative way. The float tank removes all outside stimulus so your mind creates it's own and DMT being the paint these sensations are drastically amplified. I would definitely start with a below threshold dose first.

While under DMT in a float tank I learned that controlled stimulus caused a strong imprinting on the mind. I used a LCD display and a timer attached to the power cord to turn it on which then allowed a flash program with certain images or sounds to activate at a predetermined time. Since the mind has nothing else to focus on your concentration is entirely on the imagery. A increase in oxygen will also increase the effect but I would deter going too far with this as just the tank and the DMT is going to be more than you can handle.

Now for the warning, your going to be rolling the dice here. If your going to have that ego death experience from a trip which as many people who have been around knows has serious traumatic effects for even the most hardened psycho-naught this is one way to get there so be aware of this possibility.

On my first experience I felt a reverberation effect but not in my body. Visual input was far lower than a regular DMT experience but other senses, some you didnt know you had are drastically amplified and these sensation overwhelm your conventional senses replacing them.

Also if you cant afford a float tank take a lesson from cavers. Repelling into a large chasm with your body balanced on the rope will create a very similar experience, better in some ways worse in others. I never had a chance to take of the spice while doing this but I always wanted to.

 

[Dehaas]

The things I've read here about voyages in bath/floattanks have been inspiring me to go that path once. Maybe with a sitter if dmt is the vessel, will be easier for me to fully let go myself. A hammock might also add something extra to the setting, anybody has some kind of explanation ? Not really grounding gravitation energy or so seems logical for an easier disconnecting this dimension and entering the spirit world? I would like to hear some insights on this , more than the discussion on pro's and con's.

Grts x

 

[Guyomech]

I still think that the tank is more appropriate for conventional psychedelics, not just for safety but because they are a better match in general. Unless you've done DMT many,many times and feel that you need to ratchet things up a notch, I just think that its effects are so overwhelminhgly powerful that the presence of the tank in the equation would be both inconvenient and irrelevant. Basic comfort and a mostly darkened room will get you there just as effectively in most cases, like A1pha suggests.

 

[Keeper Trout]

I don't have the wisdom to know what is right for anyone else but I can say a couple of things from a firsthand view.
Floating is intensely mind altering on its own. I have around 43 hours total experience; not a huge amount of time, and almost nothing compared to some people, but enough to have left me feeling permanently altered for the better.
A suggestion would be to gain familiarity with the experience prior to adding substances. Creating a float tank for having substance-altered floating experiences prior to gaining familiarity with the floating experience might be putting the cart in front of the horse?
Use of a pipe or vaporizer would seem like it would add two challenges, one involves the constant drippage of condensation inside of the tank that coats everything and the other is being contained inside of a small space with the smell of what is exhaled during the peak. I lack first-hand experience with that but suspect I would find the latter distracting.
Its a little sad the movie Altered States added such a malevolent twist to the public perception of the floating experience. I've had nothing but amazing and positive adventures. Only a few with anything added and those seemed to contribute more of a distraction than being a plus. To each their own of course. Your mileage may vary.

Something that might be worth commenting on is that when a person begins floating it is different than it becomes with experience. Initially there are lots of body sensations that have to get worked out. Flying, spinning, drifting and novel sensations are all common. After that body tension is past a person drops into alpha state incredibly fast and can go quite deep or enter hypnogogic reveries. The change in perception occurs for most people someplace between 5 and 14 floats (assuming 40-50 minutes a go) I'd suggest it might be worth getting to that point before adding substance to the experience.
Its been said in print that its not possible to float for more than a couple of hours but I've had two 3+ hour floats. Both had the peculiar effect of seeming like being no more 15 minutes in duration with consciousness seeming to be intact for the process. One involved Albert's contribution but the other was completely unassisted.
Having a sitter for substantial launches would seem to be a great idea but I'm not sure where the sitter is going to sit and how monitoring could occur that would not interfer with the experience. A sitter would surely want to prevent a person from breathing water rather than responding to that occurring?
Its very much worth building one even if it is only to have around for a few months. Its also worth shopping on the salts. I found prices on the exact same amount and grade of epsom salts cost $225 delivered to my door from San Antonio but more than $800 if I picked them up in Austin. (20 years ago)

A1pha comments made on the value of freedom of movement and comfort to move around bear reflection. As does the reminding that when a person wants to leave the tank its not just a matter of getting out and towelling off but taking a shower and effectively washing the salt solution off of and out of any crevices on the body. Those salt crystals are not comfy to overlook as any residuals get crusty.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Im thinking maybe a portable snorting device like the bullet or similar, then snort small amounts of dpt untill desired effect is reached.

Taking shrooms or lsd before could be messy since you need to interact with people before and after getting into the tank.

Whereas dpt has a peak of around 1½ hour and since you probably wont do a breakthrough dose you would be quite sober when coming out of the tank

 

[SpartanII]

Taking shrooms or lsd before could be messy since you need to interact with people before and after getting into the tank.

Good point. Unless you're fortunate enough to have a tank at home, dosage is important. Like Vovin stated, Sensory deprivation will enhance the psychedelic experience. So a very low dose is really all that's needed.

 

[Keeper Trout]

I'd never have thought of dosing in a public floating facility. I can see there might be some potential for discomfort when coming and going.
In addition to the increased comfort level of access, its also a surprisingly cost effective thing on a per float basis to build one and just plan on changing the solution when it fouls.

SpartanII makes a really good point. Even cannabis is quite a different world in and outside of a float tank.

 

[vovin]

I would never ever do it in a public facility. If you flip out which is likely youre gonna get the cops called on you.

 

[Guyomech]

Keeper's point about at least trying it sober is important- its a profound experience. My first few times I found that an hour was just barely enough, so I tried it a couple times at 90 minutes, which is amazing. Then there were a couple 3 hour sessions, one with LSD and the other shrooms... I remember how sensitized I felt upon emerging, paying (money looks so crazy under those circumstances) and thinking to myself, Thank God I know these people who own this place, or I'd sure be uncomfortable... And then emerging out into the chaotic city. That carefully balanced sense of suspended time, torn to shreds. But still a neat experience.

I'd recommend trying a few sober sessions at a float tank place, and then deciding if it's something worth investing in.

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Goodness. I just read this thread for the first time since thursday and figured I should stop in and apologize for unintentionally derailing the thread. I never guessed that the joke would cause any kind of debate. There was no "dual meaning" attached to the statement. I was making a joke about the plot of a classic old psychedelic movie. The thought that my statement could have been interpreted literally is a bit bizarre to me, but not everyone has seen the movie so I guess it is what it is. Anyways, thanks to all of you who backed me up and tried to clarify my intentions. Just one more reason I love the nexus!

 

[Korey]

oh darn, another person with the absolute truth who failed in enlightening us because of our inflated egos

Bro, save it

I'd like to speak with those people, point me to them if you will

And since ego isn't the problem, go tell your parents that you smoke DMT, Then proceed to convince them how it has helped you. You can't can you? . Why? Oh yeah.. conditioning and ego.
And maybe they go on and make a joke to your hypothetical little brother about how Dmt turns kids into gorrila monkeys and you all laugh about it because its a joke, But then you try to convince your brother that nothing bad will happen with DMT, But he has this preconceived image about the gorrilla monkey joke Tied to his parents (being the respected authority) through his ego formulated emotions.. keeping him from trying it with fear.. HMMMMM?

Anyway i would really like to speak with these guys who claimed the ego is destructive
name please (if you can remember any of them anyways) thanks.
And sorry for all the commotion i didn't mean to offend anyone, but you guys more than anyone should know how difficult is it telling someone the truth when they are blinded.

And im not saying To believe me, you can decide on that, but remember YOU KNOW it is difficult telling people the truth because they just wont understand, You speak about apples, they hear pears, and talk about oranges...

You seem to be believing you're completely enlightened, and pretending you know the truth. You talk about the ego like you're living without one, yet your posts are full of that typical Messiah Complex ego inflation that is rampant among people who confuse themselves to the point where they truly think they know what's going on. Once you think you have the entire cosmos figured out, hyperspace slaps you in the face next time offering you newer possibilities and even CONTRADICTIONS of your PERSONAL truths learned in prior experiences. Don't be so sure about yourself, and how things "should be." I cannot beleive this snowballed from a goofy reference to a sub par movie made years ago about flotation devices. Chill out, man.

Anyway, if psychedelics have taught me anything, one of the most important lessons has been to lighten up a bit, and not to take things so seriously.

Peace.

 

[AfroHorror]

The beef was digested...