DMT Freebase and OJ?

[Crystalline]

Hello fellow Nexians,

I saw elsewhere briefly that someone consumed freebase dmt orally in orange juice to make it into some sort analog to fumurate so that it was orally active. I was wondering if this was possible as I have freebase and want to take it orally with syrian rue tea.

Thanks!
~NS

 

[DoingKermit]

It is indeed possible. If you put DMT into orange juice it converts it into DMT citrate, which is orally active with an MAOI like syrian rue.

 

[Crystalline]

Thanks for the response, would this work the same way as pharmahuasca?

For example, I'd drink 3g worth of syrian rue in a tea or 100-150mg of harmaline in addition to about how much of dmt citrate? Would it be around 100-150mg like fumurate?

Thanks again,
~NS

 

[arcologist]

I would start with 150mg of DMT freebase, dissolved in the OJ. If it works (which in my experience is rarely), that should be a decent amount, but probably won't knock your socks off. 200mg would be pretty strong.

3g of rue tea is probably good enough. I would recommend trying to dose them both at either the same time, or dose the DMT no more than 15 minutes after dosing the rue tea. There's something weird going on that keeps my pharmahuasca from working unless I take them within that time range.

 

[universecannon]

I think 150mg freebase dmt is way too high to start off with. Some do need that much or more (although if they took a full on psychedelic dose of rue first then i sort of doubt it, for most at least), but for others even just 30mg dmt is a very strong experience.... And if 3g of rue on its own is psychedelic for them (like it is for some of us) then they'll really be in for a rough ride.

Pharma is complex and can vary so much from person to person, so its really difficult to give dosage advice sometimes...And even within an individuals experiences, doses can change overtime. I used to take 200mg+ harmalas and around 70mg dmt, and now adays i get the same effect with about half that. Although theres probably a number of reasons why that is

I'd just drink the dmt oj a few seconds or minutes after the rue. This will probably work but some people need to really get their timing exact, so you might have to play around with a bit of trial and error. Just like the dosages, the timing can vary a lot from person to person as well.

 

[olympus mon]

I agree with Uni on this one. 150mg dmt could be a DOOZY especially to somebody new to oral dmt. You may find that's your sweet spot but work your way up to it and get your MAOi figured out spot on for your body.

 

[The Day Tripper]

Thirded.

150mg of freebase, with 3g of rue would kick my ass big time, and i would adamantly discourage anyone from taking that much their first time, or any time, until they have worked their way up to such a high dose.

Though body weight/chemistry plays into dosages, most would agree 150mg of freebase is far too much.

 

[Crystalline]

Thanks everyone for the input.

I believe I will try the 3g rue tea along with 70-80mg of freebase dissolved in oj. Hopefully all goes well. I receive my rue on friday so I will try shortly after.

Thanks again,
~NS

 

[Global]

Thanks for the response, would this work the same way as pharmahuasca?

For example, I'd drink 3g worth of syrian rue in a tea or 100-150mg of harmaline in addition to about how much of dmt citrate? Would it be around 100-150mg like fumurate?

Thanks again,
~NS

Yes. This procedure is essentially pharmahuasca just with an OJ buffer. To address your original post, fumarates or citrates or whatever are simply easier on the stomach, but they're not any more orally active than freebase in terms of MAOI.

 

[Crystalline]

Yes. This procedure is essentially pharmahuasca just with an OJ buffer. To address your original post, fumarates or citrates or whatever are simply easier on the stomach, but they're not any more orally active than freebase in terms of MAOI.

Hmm thats interesting. I've always thought that freebase was not able to produce any affect orally with MAOI. I guess that is a common misconception because I read about that multiple times.

 

[Global]

Yes. This procedure is essentially pharmahuasca just with an OJ buffer. To address your original post, fumarates or citrates or whatever are simply easier on the stomach, but they're not any more orally active than freebase in terms of MAOI.

Hmm thats interesting. I've always thought that freebase was not able to produce any affect orally with MAOI. I guess that is a common misconception because I read about that multiple times.

The majority of my pharmahuasca experiences have been with freebase. It is quite effective.

 

[keleblin]

Stomach acid is essentially dilute hydrochloric acid, so most of that freebase would convert to dmt hcl in your gut.

 

[endlessness]

Yeah, freebase converts to salt form in the stomach, but IME it´s way more harsh on the stomach to ingest freebase. Also, the taste is unbearable, it hurts a lot to put a tiny bit of dmt in the tongue, so to ingest freebase you´d have to swallow it quickly somehow (when I did it, I tried ´bombing´ by wrapping in some smoking paper).

So yeah the freebase works to ingest as it is but it´s too harsh. Better dissolve it in some acidic juice or convert it to fumarates or whatever.

 

[Jees]

My friend reports experiences of same kind, freebase giving a "burning" feeling in the stomach in the onset stage, not so when it was converted into salt form outside the stomach in advance thus before administering. We're talking about 150 to 200 mg.

 

[Michal_R]

...I will try the 3g rue tea along with 70-80mg of freebase...

This sounds like a "safer" idea. 80 mg would be something like a full dose for me (even though I weight around 170 pounds). Everybody´s metabolism is different, and therefore it seems wise to start low and gradually work your way up to find your own personal "sweet spot". I personally started with 30mgs, next time uped to 50mg - and what a significant difference it was :shock: