DMT Fumerate

[Sitra Ahra]

I have a few simple questions about dmt as a fumerate salt so I figure I'll just get to them and maybe someone could give me a little help. I guess the main question is, what are the pros and cons, if any exist? Ive done my research and the materials seem cheap enough so I guess the only real question is if it's worth it. If someone could shed some light on this it would great before I put my next order in. Also I have a tek I already feel comfortable with if I do try and make some, but if someone with some experience has a tried and true method theyd be willing to share it would be highly appreciated!

 

[MelCat]

The main reason to go for fumarates is for long term storage and/or oral usage for pharma. DMT is more stable as a fumarate salt and it's also easier on the belly when you eat it compared to freebase.

Edit: Also keep in mind, DO NOT smoalk DMT Fumarates!

 

[Sitra Ahra]

The main reason to go for fumarates is for long term storage and/or oral usage for pharma. DMT is more stable as a fumarate salt and it's also easier on the belly when you eat it compared to freebase.

Edit: Also keep in mind, DO NOT smoalk DMT Fumarates!

why not? And thanks for the warning

 

[MelCat]

I'm not a chemist and I don't remember the exact reaction but I do remember that it's not good for you or your lungs. If I find the thread, I'll link back to it. The reaction that happens is here on the forums somewhere though.

When dmt is in fumarate form (or any other form besides freebase), it basically has a salt molecule attached to it. This salt molecule allows the spice to be water soluble which is good for ingesting orally. But you don't want to smoke salt.

When dmt is in freebase form, it is free of these extra molecules and is fine to smoke. You can also eat freebase with an maoi but your body will convert it to a salt from your stomach acid. This causes a reaction and can make you nauseous. It's better to covert the freebase first to allow easier integration into your system.

 

[Sitra Ahra]

I'm not a chemist and I don't remember the exact reaction but I do remember that it's not good for you or your lungs. If I find the thread, I'll link back to it. The reaction that happens is here on the forums somewhere though.

When dmt is in fumarate form (or any other form besides freebase), it basically has a salt molecule attached to it. This salt molecule allows the spice to be water soluble which is good for ingesting orally. But you don't want to smoke salt.

When dmt is in freebase form, it is free of these extra molecules and is fine to smoke. You can also eat freebase with an maoi but your body will convert it to a salt from your stomach acid. This causes a reaction and can make you nauseous. It's better to covert the freebase first to allow easier integration into your system.

what about sniffing or IV? Cause Ive heard the freebase burns the nasal/anus/and even veins like a em-effer

 

[MelCat]

There are threads about snuffing dmt freebase and rectal administration in the "Other" fora under Preparations and Methods of Administration forum... some say it burns pretty bad, others say not so much...

It seems like a fumarate would help cut down the pain factor but I have no experience with it either way.

Using dmt via IV is kinda taboo and is typically discouraged because the level of purity required for it to be safe. Not to mention the plethora of other factors that could make the trip go horribly wrong... eg. passing out with a needle in your arm and breaking it off, just as one possibility.

Lab quality dmt fumarate was used in an IV for the Rick Strausman "The Spirit Molecule" trials but that was ultra pure and administered in a safe environment.