DMT is fun = disrespect? Why?

[anrchy]

Please, everyone who keeps insisting that smoking DMT for fun is wrong stop preaching.

Nexus rules state:

No preaching

If you have an opinion about something, respectfully state it, but please do not talk in absolutes about right and wrong or disrespectfully disregard other world views. No matter how convinced, nobody has a monopoly over knowing what life or the universe is all about, of knowing what happens after death or exactly what 'hyperspace' is and where the experiences come from.

So that said... I find it "fun" to smoke DMT. It has changed my life. I have been shown some amazing things that have allowed me to understand more of who i am. I plan on dosing at the same time with a friend, 30mg open eyed experience, to see what kind of open eye visuals this will produce. No one can tell me doing this is wrong in any way, or that this is using DMT incorrectly. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT EVEN IS.

I respect it as a powerful chemical that can be fun and can also produce terrifying experiences. I believe that DMT has a purpose possibly and that it may have something to do with either plant communication or our afterlife. But we have to also take into consideration this also could just be a chemical that makes you see crazy stuff. You don't know, I don't know, so please everyone stop pretending like you KNOW.

BUT, to play devils advocate on myself, i do find it disrespectful doing ANY drug with the mindset of: Lets get Fu**ed Up!

The methods of how you use DMT do not determine the level of respect you have, unless you are having DMT parties where everyone is trying to see how messed up they get and trying to see how large of a dose they can handle, well then thats disrespect in many different areas.

It seems to me more that if you feel that someone is disrespecting the spice, that its more likely they are disrespecting your own "belief" about it. It seems like people are attaching their own ideals to what the spice is, why, and how it should be used.

Anyways, im not trying to piss anyone off, it's just that I have seen a lot of this going around and it actually had an effect for a short while on my opinion about using DMT. I love this forum, I love you guys/girls, replies are welcome.

-anrchy

 

[scudge]

^ obviously an alien, cant you see people!

 

[Sky Motion]

Preach

 

[tele]

Well of course it's fun by itself altough it can be tough too...
But,
You probably haven't realized the points of view of people who talk about it. Doing something for fun can be interpreted in several ways.
I believe it is referring to smoalking just to have fun in same manner as getting drunk or stoned (for example out of boredom) and ignore it's "true effects". Having fun can refer to seeking high etc.
Personally I believe if one is seeking to get high or feeling a body buzz one should stick with something less powerful but everyone can do whatever they want.

And I also believe we have the right of free speech here so anyone can say what they want(as long as they don't hurt others and stick to the basic rules), and present their views on this very matter. It's obviously though good to present them always as personal opinions, that way they are less "preachy".

I believe you are preaching yourself in this very topic BTW.

Personally I have no business with what others do with it, but at the point when it becomes a drug used for it's sometimes high inducing effects(kids having fun on low doses) it will be more and more on the drug dealers list and we all know what that means.

 

[AmadeusD]

I think its a complete cop-out to say this person is preaching. If that were the case, then the first person to break the rule gets away with it, and everyone else is on hte backfoot. That's not fair at all.

In having said that, it hink DMT is sort of too intense of an experience to be taken so lightly. That is, of course, talking about high dose DMT. Low dose, open eye visuals... Knock yourself out

 

[BananaForeskin]

I think one reason people steer away from promoting the "DMT = fun" approach (which, of course, it frequently does, don't get me wrong) is simply for the sake of harm reduction... it's not necessarily a matter of how sacred the medicine is, so to speak. Regardless of whether or not DMT is a chemical that makes you see crazy stuff (which it could well be), it can still fuck you up for a while, it can still fuck other people up for a while, and approaching it from a primarily "fun" oriented standpoint isn't going to prepare you very well for what might happen on your next experience... this substance needs respect first. From a health + safety standpoint.

 

[Dante]

I think one reason people steer away from promoting the "DMT = fun" approach (which, of course, it frequently does, don't get me wrong) is simply for the sake of harm reduction... it's not necessarily a matter of how sacred the medicine is, so to speak. Regardless of whether or not DMT is a chemical that makes you see crazy stuff (which it could well be), it can still fuck you up for a while, it can still fuck other people up for a while, and approaching it from a primarily "fun" oriented standpoint isn't going to prepare you very well for what might happen on your next experience... this substance needs respect first. From a health + safety standpoint.

^^^^

 

[Global]

I concur with BananaForeskin. I frequently find myself having fun with the molecule, but if that's your intent: to blast off and have fun - then you'll probably end up being not very well equipped for some of the rougher or deeper rides. Spirituality isn't just one thing, and I think fun is a big part of it. It connects you with your inner child, and can be quite healing. Moreover if it weren't fun at least some of the times, a lot of us probably wouldn't be as gung-ho about it.

DMT - fun = salvia :lol: :roll:

 

[tele]

Moreover if it weren't fun at least some of the times, a lot of us probably wouldn't be as gung-ho about it.

I agree completely, it really feels like winning the lottery when going for a good "ride".

 

[Pandora]

The following comprises only and strictly my personal opinions:

As I frequently say, I am on a quest, but I am not opposed to some hedonistic pleasure (fun) along the way. This is definitely part of the package with DMT but feels like it comes with more risk. It is not inherently in and of itself disrespectful, but if I dare do it ONLY for hedonistic reasons I have noticed a correlation with . . . . well, less . . . fun experiences. In particular if I push it - and do it for these reasons multiple times in a session. Seems like some part of my deep and inner self is interpreting this as inappropriate (perhaps disrespectful, BUT NOTE - not of an inanimate molecule but of MYSELF and my quest).

This is just my opinion. DMT seems to be like other psychedelics in that it is not a guaranteed good trip or fun ride, but it seems somehow like DMT "plays" with much bigger stakes along these lines than other psychedelics I have taken.

 

[d*l*b]

Whilst I use spice primarily as a tool for introspection and learning I also see it as being fun at times. I do not see it as a sacrament. We all have our own approaches to it, make it what you want I say.

If spice is to be used in a recreational context then I think it should still be approached with respect and caution, just as you would any other potentially dangerous activities.

Spice will show its heavier side sooner or later to all that choose to work with it so I guess that first life-changingly terrifying journey will weed out those that cannot deal with that side of it.

 

[Tek]

It's funny you mention DMT and fun. I actually took (and take) the psychedelic experience very seriously, and was one time reprimanded for doing so. I typically only ever voyage with the intent of trying to 'figure it all out' every time I go, and this one time I encountered an entity who said to me:

"See this is always your problem! You're so busy trying to figure out how everything works that when you come here we can never do anything fun!"

To which I could only utter the reply: "Uh... sorry..."

 

[Guyomech]

Nature rewards us for doing positive things. Eating when you're hungry feels good- that's how Nature taught us to not starve. Sex is way fun, therefore our species gets to survive... Etc. so the fact that there is a "fun" component attached to the psychedelic experience, IMO, points to the notion that, like food and sex, it's something we are meant to be doing.

And where do you draw the line between recreational and educational use? This is massively open to interpretation.

I personally enjoy my trips immensely, and no matter what I just can't bring myself to feel guilty for this. Yes, folks, tripping can be way fun. Let's not be such tightasses that this fact somehow disqualifies it from being positive. The most educational, liberating, positive trips are also usually the most fun.

And if you have a room full of people puffing small doses for fun and just screwing around, there is a very good chance that some of them will feel the calling toward a more immersive experience, and will perhaps start doing research. Everyone has to start somewhere. I think that by the end of such an evening, most participants would be cured of any notions of it being a "just for fun" substance. It doesn't sit still and behave itself in that way, you know?

 

[Global]

"See this is always your problem! You're so busy trying to figure out how everything works that when you come here we can never do anything fun!"

To which I could only utter the reply: "Uh... sorry..."

Awesome :thumb_up: DMT fun police getting on your case :shock:

 

[endlessness]

As it has been mentioned, the problem is not saying that DMT or psychedelics can be fun, I dont think anybody here is so uptight and serious. The problem is thinking they are just for fun, or that you'll reliably have fun whenever you trip/launch. We all know it goes way beyond that, and if you're just expecting fun, you're bound to get your ass kicked sooner or later.

I know I did get my ass kicked, and it seriously taught me a lot. In the end some people may need to go through this ass kicking themselves to know what it really means, but maybe they can also learn from other's mistakes and avoid the trouble. The biggest issue here is that some people in some contexts are just not ready for that surprise ass kicking, and serious problems can result from it (physical accidents, impulsive bad decisions during hard tripping including suicide, longer lasting psychological difficulties, etc) which is why we are so strong about going against the "just for fun" idea

 

[Guyomech]

It's really just abut cultivating a mindset of respect. There's still room for fun within that context.

Doing your research is key. If you decided you wanted to start rock climbing, you would want to know as much as possible about safety. This isn't to prevent the fun from happening, but to prevent any ugliness from getting in the way of your experience.

 

[Korey]

I concur with BananaForeskin. I frequently find myself having fun with the molecule, but if that's your intent: to blast off and have fun - then you'll probably end up being not very well equipped for some of the rougher or deeper rides. Spirituality isn't just one thing, and I think fun is a big part of it. It connects you with your inner child, and can be quite healing. Moreover if it weren't fun at least some of the times, a lot of us probably wouldn't be as gung-ho about it.

DMT - fun = salvia :lol: :roll:

I've broken through countless times and I'm never well equipped for what these experiences have to offer. I think that's why I resonate with this molecule so well, it never fails to slap me in the face while simultaneously embracing and nurturing me.

In regards to having fun with DMT, if it's working for you OP I don't see the problem as long as you're respecting yourself.

 

[Felnik]

I think the level of respect one has for this stuff is relative to the level of ass kicking one has received from it .

If you've ever reached a point where you feel the need to dispose of every last remaining spec of spice in your possession then you know what i'm talking about.

Opinions run the gamut on here as far as how to approach this whole thing.
Balance is a word that comes to mind. I think staying light is good, too serious is no good.

I can say that a healthy respect is an unavoidable destination for anyone pushing the envelope with this stuff.

If you haven't been there yourself you have no idea whats coming .......

 

[polytrip]

There´s nothing wrong with using the word 'fun' to describe the DMT experience. It´s the way in wich the word is being used that matters. 'Fun' as in the escapist sense of the word is just asking for trouble with a substance like DMT. In that sense it radically differs from substances like crack and alcohol that almost seem to be designed with the purpose of offering the users a quick and easy escape.
DMT falls into an entirely different category of fun. Instead of putting your mind to sleep, it tends to awaken it.

 

[anrchy]

The whole reason I posted this was based on several threads that contained posts where members here have been preachy about "how to use DMT" and specifically saying that it isnt for fun. And I highly disagree, it is for fun, it does many things but it is also for fun. Otherwise it wouldnt be enjoyable. If it werent fun how many would continuously do it? I am not accusing anyone of anything per se.

I understand this:

the problem is not saying that DMT or psychedelics can be fun, I dont think anybody here is so uptight and serious.

But some people are quite frequently coming off as if this IS how they feel, that they are uptight and serious. One post in particular

I agree 100% with gibran...this compound shouldn't be used for fun...its a serious tool used to learn 3-5 times a week is excessive, abusive and taking advantage of something sacred in my opinion

I have seen posts like this ALOT. Yes it is stated as opinion, but thats all anything is really. All I am saying is that this kind of wording reflects the opinion that you can only have the mindset of "serious tool" and words like overuse and abuse are thrown around like we know what we are talking about. Isnt this why preaching isnt allowed? Because it effects people's understanding on how they are suppose to view things?

I feel as if this isn't understood on this forum. This used to be how I felt, that this is a serious tool and you HAVE to do it a certain way, i felt this way because that was the kind of the attitude I saw on this forum. DMT taught me that this isnt true and its not how it is suppose to be done, for me.