DMT melted - should I add naphtha again and freeze?

[cinderblock]

I've always been confused by this ordeal.

As soon as I took the freeze-preciptated dish out of the freezer, I placed a fan on it and let it dry. I saw a lot of white powder about five minutes in. And then I came back an hour later, and all that was left was this clear, grease residue on the dish. I'm assuming it melted before it could dry.

So should I add the naptha I poured out, freeze again, and repeat with the fan even closer? Before, I had the fan about three feet away. I guess this time I'll have it one foot away??

Also, how are people completely evaporating by room temperature, when it's melting like this? Is it because they live in colder places? I'm in Los Angeles, and the average temp here year round is 80-90.

EDIT: So far the suggestions from those I've inquired are vastly different... I'm confused as to which one is the right way to go...

1) Water contamination. I'm instructed to redissolve in warm naphtha and then perform three washes with just distilled water. <--- the concern with this method is that I've already performed the sodium carbonate wash + 2x wash with just filtered water. By the last wash with the filtered water, the naphtha was so clear, it was very difficult to make out the line that separated naphtha and water. I don't know how I'm supposed to wash it 3X with distilled water when I imagine the naph and water will be virtually indistinguishable at this point.

2) Just let it sit around for a week and scrape up the goo.

 

[cinderblock]

It's not that you are going to get busted for naphtha, it's that you are creating a papertrail that you can't explain. Say you were to come under suspicion for extracting DMT. The record of you buying naphtha may lend creedance to that suspicion depending on the jury. While shopping for things on amazon in the past I have seen amazon suggest products that bought together obviously signal an extraction. This tells me that certain people are buying everything they need for an extraction all at once. If these people came under suspicion for extracting DMT it would be very easy to make a case against them in court.

Thanks.

I did some research, and it turns out Klean Strip is pretty sketchy. It's 95-100%. That said, according to a post by du57 dated last year, he seems to really like it.

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Next time i think I'm going with Bestine. Apparently Bestine is still suitable, even though it's not as good.

EDIT: I remember seeing a lot more posts validating Kleanstrip. So far found a few threads that say it's bad. Found some that say it's good, but for every thread that approves of Kleanstrip, it's the same guy du57 saying it's good. It's so blatant, it's like he's a salesman for it or something...

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[Firemetal420]

Actually from what I've read it actually is a better solvent for dmt but apparently you only get about 2/3 the yeild if you use it for your initial extraction... at least that's what I've heard is the case, I haven't used it myself but have been seriously contemplating it

 

[Firemetal420]

I would be extra careful about buying solvents online... it is always safer to purchase it with cash at a retail store. That being said I have used crown vm&p naptha with amazing results until they stopped carrying naptha in cali. I am now going to have to drive all the way to nevada if I want to get some more.... can anyone say RENO BABY! lol

I have also heard good things about sunnyside vm&p naptha and the msds says it is 100% pure, and personally that's what I will be using next as soon as I take a trip

Alright, thanks, I'll try to get Sunnyside next.

BTW why are you switching brands if you've had "amazing results"? I know they banned it, but why not pick it up at Reno?

Also, have you heard of anyone getting busted for buying naphtha online? That would be bizarre.

The reason I would change is for the simple fact that the crown msds says 95-100% and the sunnyside is 100% for sure.... that's the only reason. Plus the crown was all I could find so I settled for something which could be slightly impure and if I have the choice I am always going to get pure

 

[cinderblock]

Actually from what I've read it actually is a better solvent for dmt but apparently you only get about 2/3 the yeild if you use it for your initial extraction... at least that's what I've heard is the case, I haven't used it myself but have been seriously contemplating it

Well a lot of people cite price with Bestine. But it's cheaper than going out of your way for Sunnyside.

If I go with Bestine, do I need to change the recipe at all? For example, maybe pull more? So if you're getting 2/3 yield from pulling 5X (250ml of heptane), you should pull more like 7 or 8x??

 

[herbster]

After pouring off the solvent scrape out the remaining spice soaked solvent onto to printer paper , the solvent is immediately drawn straight out , keep pushing it around the paper & within a matter of minutes you'll have nice fluffy spice ....works for me

 

[Firemetal420]

Actually from what I've read it actually is a better solvent for dmt but apparently you only get about 2/3 the yeild if you use it for your initial extraction... at least that's what I've heard is the case, I haven't used it myself but have been seriously contemplating it

Well a lot of people cite price with Bestine. But it's cheaper than going out of your way for Sunnyside.

If I go with Bestine, do I need to change the recipe at all? For example, maybe pull more? So if you're getting 2/3 yield from pulling 5X (250ml of heptane), you should pull more like 7 or 8x??

That sounds like a solid plan to me

 

[pitubo]

After pouring off the solvent scrape out the remaining spice soaked solvent onto to printer paper , the solvent is immediately drawn straight out , keep pushing it around the paper & within a matter of minutes you'll have nice fluffy spice ....works for me

How do you know you're not pulling all kinds of chemicals out of the paper and into the fluffy whatever? Do you know what the printer paper is made of and what kind of chemicals it is impregnated or coated with?

I think it is wiser to use a clean glass plate instead of paper.

 

[herbster]

After pouring off the solvent scrape out the remaining spice soaked solvent onto to printer paper , the solvent is immediately drawn straight out , keep pushing it around the paper & within a matter of minutes you'll have nice fluffy spice ....works for me

How do you know you're not pulling all kinds of chemicals out of the paper and into the fluffy whatever? Do you know what the printer paper is made of and what kind of chemicals it is impregnated or coated with?

I think it is wiser to use a clean glass plate instead of paper.

I can't see how the spice would be able to draw any impurities from the paper , the process takes a minute maybe 2 at most

 

[cinderblock]

After pouring off the solvent scrape out the remaining spice soaked solvent onto to printer paper , the solvent is immediately drawn straight out , keep pushing it around the paper & within a matter of minutes you'll have nice fluffy spice ....works for me

How do you know you're not pulling all kinds of chemicals out of the paper and into the fluffy whatever? Do you know what the printer paper is made of and what kind of chemicals it is impregnated or coated with?

I think it is wiser to use a clean glass plate instead of paper.

I can't see how the spice would be able to draw any impurities from the paper , the process takes a minute maybe 2 at most

So you want me to do this to clean up the Klean Strip naphtha?

 

[null24]

I've been using KS for awhile now, and have gotten entirely satisfactory yields and clean spice with it. The only other NPS I've used is Ron****l and the KS is not only magnitudes cheaper but works better. Damn, if I'm only getting 2/3 of what's there, then... Damn, that'd be surprising. Consistently yielding from ACRB at 1.5% white fluff to 3%+ gold wax.

 

[herbster]

Give it a go , I think that water contamination through condensation occasionally makes a my spice dissolve back to a goo , if I'm quick when I see this problem arising then the paper method quickly draws any moisture straight out of the spice . Pic shows 1.4g of spice from 100g MRHB pulled using this method .

 

[cinderblock]

I've been using KS for awhile now, and have gotten entirely satisfactory yields and clean spice with it. The only other NPS I've used is Ron****l and the KS is not only magnitudes cheaper but works better. Damn, if I'm only getting 2/3 of what's there, then... Damn, that'd be surprising. Consistently yielding from ACRB at 1.5% white fluff to 3%+ gold wax.

The 2/3 yield is in reference to the heptane.

BTW how do you deal with the smell? KS smells extremely toxic, and the MSDS isn't very comforting either. Afterward I was smelling naphtha everytime I blew my nose. I'm pretty sure I lost a lot of brain cells, gah.

I'm wondering if heptane's fumes are any less potent.

 

[cinderblock]

Give it a go , I think that water contamination through condensation occasionally makes a my spice dissolve back to a goo , if I'm quick when I see this problem arising then the paper method quickly draws any moisture straight out of the spice . Pic shows 1.4g of spice from 100g MRHB pulled using this method .

Whoa, so you don't fan dry at all? You just dry it on a paper towel?

Doesn't the DMT melt while you're scraping it with the water condensation and all?

Also, I don't get how people use coffee filters, because I could barely see the crystals. And wouldn't the naphtha on the coffee filter paper melt the DMT crystal as it warms up?

 

[herbster]

Give it a go , I think that water contamination through condensation occasionally makes a my spice dissolve back to a goo , if I'm quick when I see this problem arising then the paper method quickly draws any moisture straight out of the spice . Pic shows 1.4g of spice from 100g MRHB pulled using this method .

Whoa, so you don't fan dry at all? You just dry it on a paper towel?

Doesn't the DMT melt while you're scraping it with the water condensation and all?

Also, I don't get how people use coffee filters, because I could barely see the crystals. And wouldn't the naphtha on the coffee filter paper melt the DMT crystal as it warms up?

It depends on the thickness of the glass of the container I'm using , the thicker the glass the more condensation it attracts when it comes out of the freezer .
If I'm using thicker glassed containers I whip the spice straight out onto to paper .

& I use printer paper , the stiffness allows you to push the spice around onto a dry piece , it doen't melt as long as you're quick , you'll see how quickly the solvent is drawn out of the spice & you're left with fluffy spice in a matter of minutes .

I scrape the bulk of the spice out , 2/3 , and leave the remaining to fan dry as normal .

I note that you say that you can barely see the crystals , there should be a healthy amount of visible crystal on the dish to be able to do this .

 

[cinderblock]

Give it a go , I think that water contamination through condensation occasionally makes a my spice dissolve back to a goo , if I'm quick when I see this problem arising then the paper method quickly draws any moisture straight out of the spice . Pic shows 1.4g of spice from 100g MRHB pulled using this method .

Whoa, so you don't fan dry at all? You just dry it on a paper towel?

Doesn't the DMT melt while you're scraping it with the water condensation and all?

Also, I don't get how people use coffee filters, because I could barely see the crystals. And wouldn't the naphtha on the coffee filter paper melt the DMT crystal as it warms up?

It depends on the thickness of the glass of the container I'm using , the thicker the glass the more condensation it attracts when it comes out of the freezer .
If I'm using thicker glassed containers I whip the spice straight out onto to paper .

& I use printer paper , the stiffness allows you to push the spice around onto a dry piece , it doen't melt as long as you're quick , you'll see how quickly the solvent is drawn out of the spice & you're left with fluffy spice in a matter of minutes .

I scrape the bulk of the spice out , 2/3 , and leave the remaining to fan dry as normal .

I note that you say that you can barely see the crystals , there should be a healthy amount of visible crystal on the dish to be able to do this .

Thanks, so you use regular printer paper? The stuff you print with, right?

And if you leave the rest to fan-dry, wouldn't the condensation melt it?

 

[herbster]

That's right just regular printing paper ...sucks the solvent out just fine and allows you to push the spice around until it becomes a stable product & once the bulk of the spice is removed the remaining should fan dry nicely . Good luck :d

 

[pitubo]

Would you people please start to quote sensibly? Continually duplicating blocks of text and image adds no information. To the contrary, it adds noise and makes the thread harder to read.
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If moisture condensation is a problem, consider the method that I wrote earlier in the thread using jars with lids. This method also minimizes the chance of spilling and stinking up the freezer.

Personally I find the paper method rather dodgy. The fact that herbster can't see how the paper could contaminate the dmt does not convince me that this will not happen at all. Maybe it could work properly with special types of paper, but I don't think using just any random kind of paper is a safe bet.

 

[herbster]

Would you people please start to quote sensibly? Continually duplicating blocks of text and image adds no information. To the contrary, it adds noise and makes the thread harder to read.
MOD EDIT: Good Call ... images edited out

If moisture condensation is a problem, consider the method that I wrote earlier in the thread using jars with lids. This method also minimizes the chance of spilling and stinking up the freezer.

Personally I find the paper method rather dodgy. The fact that herbster can't see how the paper could contaminate the dmt does not convince me that this will not happen at all. Maybe it could work properly with special types of paper, but I don't think using just any random kind of paper is a safe bet.

Apologies , not to clever with computors or computer etiquette I'm afraid or uploading pics properly ....trying to learn but it's a slow process for me .

As for the paper method , sort of stumbled on it , using my own reasoning I concluded that the risk of anything toxic leaching back into the spice would minimal to zero but perhaps on reflection I shouldn't be passing my methods of drying spice on until it has been cleared as a safe method by someone far more knowledgeable than me .

 

[herbster]

Have I just used the quote function unsensibly again?

 

[pitubo]

Herbster, you can edit posts after you submitted them. If you make substantial changes to the content of the post, you should add a line "Edit: <reason for changes>", where the part between brackets explains the change. Fixing spelling mistakes and minor errors doesn't change the substance of the post, as would removing unnecessary block quotes. Those edits could be done without giving explicit notice.