DMT overproduction problem...

[SargeHT]

Hi guys, It's been almost a year since I discovered this hyperspace ticket... I can safely say that each extraction I make using Q21's a/b tek has sufficient expected yield. Shameless to say that I still have that fear every time I think of travelling again.. And it takes quite some time again for me to decide on my next. That's why even though it's already been a year, i've just did 10x. Not even sure if ive broken through.
But extracting is another story... I've manage to have made a total of 18grams and stored it 2 grams each on a sealed capped plastic container. Recently I noticed my oldest stash had turn brownish. Unlike when first extracted to be pure white. I loaded it and toked lungfulls but the effect was not that strong. Read about dmt oxidizing in time when stored for a long time or improperly.
Can I just re-x or maybe its the container? How long can we keep it and use it before potency diminishes?

 

[Tryptallmine]

Hi guys, It's been almost a year since I discovered this hyperspace ticket... I can safely say that each extraction I make using Q21's a/b tek has sufficient expected yield. Shameless to say that I still have that fear every time I think of travelling again.. And it takes quite some time again for me to decide on my next. That's why even though it's already been a year, i've just did 10x. Not even sure if ive broken through.
But extracting is another story... I've manage to have made a total of 18grams and stored it 2 grams each on a sealed capped plastic container. Recently I noticed my oldest stash had turn brownish. Unlike when first extracted to be pure white. I loaded it and toked lungfulls but the effect was not that strong. Read about dmt oxidizing in time when stored for a long time or improperly.
Can I just re-x or maybe its the container? How long can we keep it and use it before potency diminishes?

Out of interest you should just re-x it.

I have a batch of DMT that I extracted using Q21's tech. It too has gone brown as sand. It's a good year old. However I contrast that to the gram or so of DMT that was extracted using EW/Cyb's methodology and it's stayed as white as snow after almost a year.

Maybe try storing it in glass vs plastic. Mine gets stored inside a glass dram vile inside a small black box with all my other psychedelics away from sunlight, temp fluctuations, chlorine etc.

I have a feeling in my case its the difference between xylene in q21 that I used and naphtha in the other extractions. Always pulled a lot of other full spectrum components of the spice.

 

[acacian]

if it had somehow lost potency, i don't see why re-exing it would change the effects at all.. though I've never had the problem of dmt losing potency even after slight oxidation has occurred (colour change does not nessecarily mean it has oxidised all that much) if it has oxidised I remember reading you can deoxidise it with zinc powder

something to think about; if you don't smoke your extract very often it might be an idea to convert it so a salt of some kind or even just leave your plant material as is until you need to extract more. dmt is much more stable and less likely to degrade in its salt form

 

[SargeHT]

Got it guys.. And would there a possible tweaking in Q21's A/B tek that will yield crystal grains? Did substituted the naptha with white fuel... It yielded crystal but when scraped.. Turned fluffy white too.

 

[SargeHT]

The first pix was with the white fuel, the next with naptha..
extracting came as an obssesion in a way.... But you're right Acacian, keeping it as plant material is the best way to have it stored.

 

[LysergicBliss]

Hmm, I also have maybe 3g left from an extract I did over 3 years ago. Like you I only smoke DMT a few times a year and so it takes a long time to use it all.

But I haven't subjectively noticed any decrease in potency from a 3 year old sample (at least as of two weeks ago :d). It seems as strong as the day it was extracted and it's still very white.

I store mine in an airtight glass vile, which I put in a metal tin and keep in the refrigerator so it's away from heat, light, and air exchange.

There is a method using Zinc to convert DMT N-Oxide into NN-DMT. Something strange though is that DMT N-Oxide is supposedly close to the potent as DMT, so it would be weird if you got no effects just because it had oxidized (unless there are other degradation pathways?)

I think your best bet for getting crystals instead of powder is doing a freeze precipitation.

*edit: Oh, I just saw Q21's tek does use freeze precipitation. In that case you want to form the crystals more slowly so you can get larger crystals instead of a lot of little ones all stuck to the surface. I think you can do that by lowering the temperature less rapidly. i.e. put in fridge for a few hours at least, then move to freezer. Or switch between fridge and freezer every few hours, then finally leave in the freezer overnight. If you get bigger crystals hopefully they will scrap up in one piece instead of breaking to powder.

 

[jamie]

DMT is polymorphic. I have yet to see any proof that yellow or brown DMT is oxidized.

 

[SargeHT]

Hmm, I also have maybe 3g left from an extract I did over 3 years ago. Like you I only smoke DMT a few times a year and so it takes a long time to use it all.

But I haven't subjectively noticed any decrease in potency from a 3 year old sample (at least as of two weeks ago :d). It seems as strong as the day it was extracted and it's still very white.

I store mine in an airtight glass vile, which I put in a metal tin and keep in the refrigerator so it's away from heat, light, and air exchange.

There is a method using Zinc to convert DMT N-Oxide into NN-DMT. Something strange though is that DMT N-Oxide is supposedly close to the potent as DMT, so it would be weird if you got no effects just because it had oxidized (unless there are other degradation pathways?)

I think your best bet for getting crystals instead of powder is doing a freeze precipitation.

*edit: Oh, I just saw Q21's tek does use freeze precipitation. In that case you want to form the crystals more slowly so you can get larger crystals instead of a lot of little ones all stuck to the surface. I think you can do that by lowering the temperature less rapidly. i.e. put in fridge for a few hours at least, then move to freezer. Or switch between fridge and freezer every few hours, then finally leave in the freezer overnight. If you get bigger crystals hopefully they will scrap up in one piece instead of breaking to powder.

What tek did you use?
And if you don't mind me asking, why only few times a year? As for me, My reason is basically the fear that I need to overcome each and every time I would decide to do it again.
I started on my first, alone on my own. It would seem that it was a brave start. But it turned out it wasnt so.
(The deja vu feeling was so strong on my first and second... And dwindled... Would this be a sign of a not so potent yield?)

 

[LysergicBliss]

What tek did you use?

It was so long ago and I lost my notes from back then so I couldn't tell you exactly who's tek it was or the exact ratios used, but:
It was a standard A/B extraction with MHRB.
Acid soaked with dilute HCl solution several times that was then filtered.
Defatted with naphtha a couple times.
Basified with NaOH.
Pulled alkaloids with naphtha several times.
Freeze precipitated.
Recrystallized once or twice with minimal volume of warm naphtha to remove yellowish tint; came out very white.

And if you don't mind me asking, why only few times a year? As for me, My reason is basically the fear that I need to overcome each and every time I would decide to do it again.
I started on my first, alone on my own. It would seem that it was a brave start. But it turned out it wasnt so.
(The deja vu feeling was so strong on my first and second... And dwindled... Would this be a sign of a not so potent yield?)

I don't mind at all. Pretty much the same reason as you. I love DMT; it's such a profound and spiritual and beautiful experience, but the first 30 seconds or so of the come up scares me because it's so fast and intense. Once I've broken through I can let go and relax into the experience. But knowing I tend to have anxiety during the come up makes me more hesitant to do it. Once I've done it though I'm always glad I did.

I also don't feel a need to do it very often. A breakthrough is so intense and profound that I'm usually good for a few months after that. It's hard for me to imagine doing it on like a weekly basis. Some people do though and that's fine for them.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

The vast majority of material I've read suggests that oxidezed DMT (if that's what it is), is just as potent as "fresh."

Storing your stuff as a salt instead of a freebase should increase the shelf life, you just have to freebase before use.

You can also go from an oxidized compound to a freebase form using zinc and a strong acid.

Blessings
~ND

 

[arcologist]

You can also go from an oxidized compound to a freebase form using zinc and a strong base.

*acid. Vinegar + zinc works great.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

You can also go from an oxidized compound to a freebase form using zinc and a strong base.

*acid. Vinegar + zinc works great.

Oops, right. My bad (finals are cooking my brain). Edited the original post to avoid confusion.

Just to be clear though (Ochem people can correct me if I'm still mistaken):
Zinc + acid will take you from oxidized DMT to a DMT salt, which you then freebase to get a smoalkable product.

I'm pretty sure that's right?

Blessings
~ND

 

[whippits]

DMT N-Oxide to Freebase DMT - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

When I store DMT long term, I tend to convert it to a salt and then store it in an amber vial in the freezer. This amber vial is then placed in a Ziploc bag (probably overkill).

You mainly want to avoid heat, light, and oxygen exposure to help prevent the DMT from oxidizing.

 

[DeltaSpice]

The cleaner the spice the less it will turn yellow. If its pure white and solid it should stay mainly white.
As for potency : Some times a little will do a lot and visa versa.