So Steve Jobs was a big fan of Acid saying that if he didn't have taken acid apple wouldn't be the same company it is today. I want to get your feed back on what you guys think about creativity and how it has helped you in your life.
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DMT, Psychedelics, Steve Jobs, and Creativity
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Compound37
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His last words were "wow, Oh wow" or so I read on a blog somewhere like yesterday. DMT was released theoretically, and he embraced it with some serious grace.
DeMaTron said:
I believe creativity comes from the conscious you.
Compound37
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I believe creativity comes from the subconscious you.
sure maybe it increased his creativity, but did it do anything for the mans sense of compassion for other human beings? I would say not when I concider the horrible standards apple has for employee treatment overseas. I dont see what the big deal is with Steve Jobs. Lots of people have taken psychedelics..
So, yes I do think that psychedelics have increased my creative side and that this is general side effect for those who work with them. What I cant understand is how someone like Steve Jobs who praised acid so much could sit back in his mansion while people in asia were being treated like dirty slaves so he could be richer.
Maybe acid is not so great for insipiring compassion? Somehow though I doubt it..which is why these situations baffle me.
At least apple is doing something to fix this now, but only after Jobs died. Sorry this has gotten somewhat offtopic but I feel strongly about this becasue of how many people acted like it was some huge thing when the guy died and then psychedelic people wanted to praise the man, which I find alarming.
So, yes I do think that psychedelics have increased my creative side and that this is general side effect for those who work with them. What I cant understand is how someone like Steve Jobs who praised acid so much could sit back in his mansion while people in asia were being treated like dirty slaves so he could be richer.
Maybe acid is not so great for insipiring compassion? Somehow though I doubt it..which is why these situations baffle me.
At least apple is doing something to fix this now, but only after Jobs died. Sorry this has gotten somewhat offtopic but I feel strongly about this becasue of how many people acted like it was some huge thing when the guy died and then psychedelic people wanted to praise the man, which I find alarming.
Compound37
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I wanted to praise him based on the technological advancements he gave us. I for one am typing this on my Macbook, and I've never had a computer that I liked better than this one. iPods changed music and the way we take it with us everywhere forever. I'm not saying he was a great person, he gave very little of his wealth to charity I had heard once too(but it was from a not very reliable source). But what corporation doesn't engage in horrible practices? Nike with sweat shops. Apple with horrible overseas conditions. Forced child labor in many places. I'm just saying that if its the standard to use horrible practices that degrade human beings, and no other corps take huge amounts of heat for it, in the business world, you'd be dumb not to do it. Why pay more than your competitors for something thats exactly the same? Do I agree with this? NO! Absolutely not, but that's also why I'd never own a huge company and ever be in the place to make those kind of decisions. Power corrupts, and with stockholders and executives breathing down my neck, I don't know if I could make the positive right decision. I'd like to say I would. But I really don't know.
ultraviolence
Rising Star
I believe that compounds like lsd, dmt, thc, and psilicibyn all help creativity...when you are uninhibited you can really let it loose
Compound37
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Do you believe that "uninhibited" creative force transfers over into your reality after tripping?
On a side note, I see your pretty new ultraviolence, and even though I am too, Welcome to the Nexus.
On a side note, I see your pretty new ultraviolence, and even though I am too, Welcome to the Nexus.
steve jobs was part of a broken system.
Compound37
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I agree with that a lot more than he was a horrible person. None of us were him, nor friends with him I don't believe, so we don't know how he felt regarding any decisions that he had to make for Apple, or that apple made reflecting badly on himself.
ultraviolence
Rising Star
Thanks for the warm welcome buddy!
I definitely feel that that uninhibited creativity can be carried into everyday life, I believe that each "psychedelic" taps into a great energy and if you can start to become familiar with the energy, you can tap into it easier without the use of the compounds
I definitely feel that that uninhibited creativity can be carried into everyday life, I believe that each "psychedelic" taps into a great energy and if you can start to become familiar with the energy, you can tap into it easier without the use of the compounds
Compound37 said:
I dont know Steven Harper, the Pope or Obama either, nor any of their friends..and I sure as hell dont really care about how they might "feel" about some of the more unethical decisions they make. All I care about is that they are in a place of power and could very well contribute something worthwhile. As far as I can tell, Steve Jobs could have done something for all of his overseas slaves, but he chose not to.
It is called having responsibility. Steve Jobs made a choice to hold that type of responsibility and in the end was not any more ethical about it than the adverage businessman who gets rich at the expense of so many others. It is sad and Steve Jobs is IMO not someone I would look to for a psychedelic role model.
I could not care less about apple. Never had one and I dont have an iphone.
Compound37
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jamie said:
How do you know that in their heart of hearts people like Obama don't truly feel and believe that they are using their power to do something worthwhile. Maybe not all people in power hold evil in their hearts, maybe its the evil spreads in as so many others downline and in other branches become involved and add their little bit to it. I hold to these ideals as to not be too sickened by the fact I live in this country, until I have the funds to ex-patriotize and move to some small country where corporations choose not to settle themselves and the politics are so corrupt I won't have to hear politicians even try to say that they're not.
I do agree that responsibility plays a huge part in this, and that in the end Jobs was at least partly responsible for this, even if he was pressured, or felt it was a necessary cost of being profitable. I wouldn't look to him as a role model for psychedelics, but I do find the fact that an acid user ended up inventing a multi million dollar company and changed the face of electronics forever to be kinda neat. Then it is a bit sad regarding the other circumstances, but its not my place to judge what is or isn't right for anyone except me, if his overseas slaves chose to work in those conditions, then they made that choice themselves with their own free will. If they felt it was okay to do so, then that was their prerogative, just like it was Jobs' to make it possible for them to do so in the first place.
I never said anything at all about evil anywhere in this thread.
Most of what people call evil is all just ego and ignorance. In the end though, so what? Does that mean it is all fine? No. Hitler also believed that he was doing something good for the world..Manson thought he was starting a war that was going to save humanity..Of course those are extreme examples but they are also good examples.
Lots of people do things out of ignorance that they think are good. The reality though is that sometimes the actions of these people effect large numbers of people in very negative ways..and so to act as if we can not or should not pass some judgement is naive.
I dont think many truely evil people exist..some people I have a hard time thinking they only act out of ignorance. I dont think Steve Jobs was evil at all. I just dont think he is a person I would want to use as an example of how psychedelic users are more aware or conscious people.
Most of what people call evil is all just ego and ignorance. In the end though, so what? Does that mean it is all fine? No. Hitler also believed that he was doing something good for the world..Manson thought he was starting a war that was going to save humanity..Of course those are extreme examples but they are also good examples.
Lots of people do things out of ignorance that they think are good. The reality though is that sometimes the actions of these people effect large numbers of people in very negative ways..and so to act as if we can not or should not pass some judgement is naive.
I dont think many truely evil people exist..some people I have a hard time thinking they only act out of ignorance. I dont think Steve Jobs was evil at all. I just dont think he is a person I would want to use as an example of how psychedelic users are more aware or conscious people.
Compound37
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And while in my last post I have been qualifying things as good/bad a common trip in my spice has been that everything just is. Things aren't good or bad, people aren't good or bad, actions aren't either, they just are what they need to be. If Steve Jobs needed to do a "bad" thing in this life, then thats what needed to happen in order for him to grow and learn. And if his slaves chose to work in those conditions, then they also needed to in order to learn that it was unacceptable to accept conditions such as those or some other similar lesson. Hopefully now none of them or their families or friends will ever allow themselves to be degraded in such a manner again, thus preventing future generations from dealing with such things.
Compound37
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jamie said:
you sir, have proven to me I was wrong with superior logic. Tip of the hat.
Sorry if I came across a bit pointed, I see going back and forth like that as incredibly fun almost like sport.
I dont really like these bad and good lables too much either, though within a given context they are still relevant as long as we dont get carried away with these defintions..
Psychedelics do inspire creativity..and so many creative people have been associated with them at some point..Dali took mescaline, Shakespear was into cannabis..just look at all the great thinkers who participated in the Eleusinian mysteries.
Psychedelics do inspire creativity..and so many creative people have been associated with them at some point..Dali took mescaline, Shakespear was into cannabis..just look at all the great thinkers who participated in the Eleusinian mysteries.
Compound37
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Dali once said, "I don't do drugs. I am drugs"
EDIT: He also said, "Take me, I am the drug; Take me, I am hallucinogenic."
EDIT: He also said, "Take me, I am the drug; Take me, I am hallucinogenic."
