Dmt = recreational?

[roze]

I started with my closest friends in the psychoactive word some years ago. Last month they smoke Dmt and since then, they are using it almost in a daily basis(3/4 time a week) mixing with alcohol and thc stuff. Using it with no respect or moderation. Just want to get high..
This is not the way it should be,they are not learning nothing from the magical dmt
and my concern is that became psychological addicted.
What should I do??

 

[3rdI]

hello roze,

I think you should just live and let live. One mans spiritual tool is another mans party substance.

I understand your concern for your friends but as long as they are using DMT in a safe environment then I think you just have to let them get on with it.

when I hear people say that others are not respecting DMT, or are not using it properly, then it always makes me think of a conversation I had with a church goer, I admitted nothing but I was talking about people using psychedelics for spiritual advancement and he just laughed at me and told me he thought that these people were just abusing drugs and worse still, had no respect for themselves or God.

Different people look at situations and actions in very different ways, I would say as long as you feel you are living right and your not hurting anyone else then you just have to sit back and let other crack on with there lives.

 

[Global]

I started with my closest friends in the psychoactive word some years ago. Last month they smoke Dmt and since then, they are using it almost in a daily basis(3/4 time a week) mixing with alcohol and thc stuff. Using it with no respect or moderation. Just want to get high..
This is not the way it should be,they are not learning nothing from the magical dmt
and my concern is that became psychological addicted.
What should I do??

As 3rdI said, everyone is different. I personally don't drink alcohol much at all, but I smoke cannabis like a fiend, and when I first discovered DMT, for the first year or so, I was smoking it a couple times a day (yes a day very often) for months. I'm not sure I would equate respect with moderation. I considered myself to be entering hyperspace with the utmost of respect, and I felt I was being repaid in spades by hyperspace; a sort of you respect them, they respect you kind of situation. In all that time of use, I had extremely limited negative experiences. Anyone who knows me knows that I take DMT and its "magic" very seriously, and it would be superficial to conflate my extensive use with the respect I had for it.

If they're not learning anything from it, they're probably either not taking enough actually, or they're not taking the dosages that they're currently taking in an efficient manner (i.e. good smoking technique). In terms of asking them to stop, they probably won't listen to you, and you'll just create tension, so my perhaps counter-intuitive advice that you might not have expected to hear is to help them smoke their DMT more efficiently! There are three possible obvious outcomes that I can foresee.

1. Their experiences become more profound and so they start to approach it with more respect.

2. Their experiences become intensely negative, and they wish to discontinue use due to a revised understanding of the goings-on in hyperspace.

3. They either fail to become more efficient in auto-administering the DMT, or they learn nothing from more profound experiences (unlikely IMO).

Either way if they're not taking enough to fully "get there" "with them" then it could be quite possible that they are simply abusing its low-level euphoric properties.

 

[steppa]

...then it could be quite possible that they are simply abusing its low-level euphoric properties.

Or they just could be _using its low-level euphoric properties.

 

[hug46]

...then it could be quite possible that they are simply abusing its low-level euphoric properties.

Or they just could be _using its low-level euphoric properties.

If this person is doing it frequently they must be getting something out of the experience. These concepts of abuse and respect seem to me to be very subjective. I do agree that it is unlikely that you don"t learn something from getting high. But if you are not using it in large doses, does that equate to abuse????

Perhaps this person is having very profound experiences but doesn"t have the vocabulary to articulate these feelings to others. Maybe when asked what happenened after their DMT experience they say "i got fucked up". Their lack of descriptive finesse surely doesn"t detract from the quality of what they have been through on a personal level.

 

[roze]

You right,
everyone should live the way they want, but if your mind is constantly in other dimension how can you make this world a better place?

 

[Orion]

they are using it almost in a daily basis(3/4 time a week) mixing with alcohol and thc stuff. Using it with no respect or moderation. Just want to get high..

Then I predict a hypserspatial ass kicking.

 

[hug46]

You right,
everyone should live the way they want, but if your mind is constantly in other dimension how can you make this world a better place?

It"s only been a month or so. Maybe they are honeymooning and, in time, will calm down and return to this dimension having been equipped with the mental hardware to start making the physical world a better place.

 

[Infundibulum]

Well...

For me smoked dmt is mostly recreational. Fast, funny colourful rollercoaster ride. I find little, if any spiritual use for it - but that's just my brain. I guess other people can be like that, the very opposite, or anywhere in between.

There is no denial that smoked dmt can be used as a powerful spiritual tool. But if you don't really get that kick (especially after being fairly experienced with it...) or if you are really not interested in using it as a spiritual tool of some sort, it is perfectly OK and not shameful to us it recreationally.

Moderation is key.

 

[Du57mi73]

I feel exactly the same way as infinundulum. I do not find a spiritual basis in DMT. As I am not spiritual at all. But I do find it to be a tool into learning about the capacities of my own mind and body. I used to use it several times daily at low doses for its euphoriant effects. Some would say that's not how its ment to be used. I did it though because I just couldn't physically/mentally handle a higher dose than that. And that is where. I feel the respect came, not only to the dmt but to myself. That's not to say I didn't learn anything. I learned A LOT. If they are not able to handle the higher doses then do not expect them to do the higher doses. Everyone has there limits.

 

[alert]

You right,
everyone should live the way they want, but if your mind is constantly in other dimension how can you make this world a better place?

Since when does anyone have a responsibility to make the world a better place? I'm not suggesting this isn't something that people should strive for, but it is hardly a prerequisite for living life.

Also, I wouldn't consider spending 5-10 minutes in hyperspace 3-4 times a week as having your mind "constantly in another dimension".

There were a couple years in my late teens where I consumed LSD at least once a week, sometimes in quite large doses. I was using for purely recreational purposes, but I definitely grew as a person from this consumption and I don't regret it now.

I think you would be better off if you focused on how *you* can make the world a better place rather than worrying about your friends. If you friends truly are "abusing" DMT, DMT is quite capable of initiating an epic hyperslap to put them back in check.

As long as they aren't doing anything terribly stupid or dangerous I say let them explore their consciousness in anyway they see fit.

I rarely smoke DMT and can't imagine smoking it multiple times a week, but to each their own. It is nice that you are concerned about your friends, but as long as they are voyaging responsibly in a safe environment I say let them. The universe will straighten everything out in the end. As suggested previously it sounds to me like they are just in a honeymoon period with it.

 

[HeavenlyBlue]

You need to be concerned if they are doing harm to themselves or others. If you notice that they are smoking it instead of going to work or school, then it may be abuse. If they have children that they are neglecting, call social services.

Talk to them about it. You know them better than us and going to a forum like this will not give you an unbiased answer.

 

[alert]

If you notice that they are smoking it instead of going to work or school, then it may be abuse. If they have children that they are neglecting, call social services.

Somehow I find it highly unlikely someone is neglecting their children to smoke DMT.

 

[dreamer042]

You will get out of these substances what you put into them.

If you take 100ug of LSD, or a couple grams of cubensis, or even a couple puffs of hashish with the intention of contacting the divine and evolving as a spiritual being, you will.

If you load up 40mg of DMT or nom down 5 grams of mushrooms with the intention of "getting f'd up", you will.

There are no hard and fast rules here. I've had profoundly life-changing mystical experiences on MDMA and I've blown changa joints on the dance floor.

There is a time for ceremony and there is a time for celebration. I will say however that in general (though certainly not always) one is likely to gain more out of approaching these tools from a mindset of reverence than from a mindset of recreation.

 

[○]

You will get out of these substances what you put into them.

If you take 100ug of LSD, or a couple grams of cubensis, or even a couple puffs of hashish with the intention of contacting the divine and evolving as a spiritual being, you will.

If you load up 40mg of DMT or nom down 5 grams of mushrooms with the intention of "getting f'd up", you will.

There are no hard and fast rules here. I've had profoundly life-changing mystical experiences on MDMA and I've blown changa joints on the dance floor.

There is a time for ceremony and there is a time for celebration. I will say however that in general (though certainly not always) one is likely to gain more out of approaching these tools from a mindset of reverence than from a mindset of recreation.

:thumb_up:

 

[Du57mi73]

Ive blown changa joints on the dance floor.

Lol. I couldn't even imagine the intensity of that experience.

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

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[roze]

"The best kind of trip is one you grow from."

"Lots of people don’t realize that psychedelics are a school—and like any school, you need to study and do your homework"

"That’s what the psychedelic experience is: a deep and honest interview with yourself"


So true! :thumb_up:

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

Yep I love that article

 

[Ryusaki]

I often entered the sacred realms depressed and with the honest intention to work hard, only to find myself in an interdimensional nightclub filled with so much fun and madness (in a positive sense) i often forgot why i came there.
No hard work, no test, no nothing. Just an immense euphoria and thats it.
For people who are depressed, an "recreational" experience can be exactly the therapy they need.