Just use a syringe or pipette?
Looking forward to hearing your experiences with it!
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Looking forward to hearing your experiences with it!
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pantostao
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I literally just pour it to the cart from a 5-10ml beaker where I make the infusion.
The liquid is pretty thick, it drops slowly and easily. I don't think I've ever missed a single drop.
A syringe would be the good solution, but I'm pretty sure it's not needed if using a mini beaker.
VoyagerGrey
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If I wanted to end up with a liquid containing 5mg DMT per drop (assuming a "drop" = 0.05ml) that is roughly 5mg per 50 mg (PG density is slightly higher than 1) or 10%? Is my math right?
Also- Since the internet says (and therefore it IS true) that PG is harsher on the lungs than VG.... It's been said here that dmt freebase crashes out of VG/changes color with time... Is that still true with the added citric acid? Has anyone tried the recipe from HIELO tek but with VG?
Also- Since the internet says (and therefore it IS true) that PG is harsher on the lungs than VG.... It's been said here that dmt freebase crashes out of VG/changes color with time... Is that still true with the added citric acid? Has anyone tried the recipe from HIELO tek but with VG?
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I strongly disagree that PG is harsh on the lungs.
I think this was claimed when a lot of juice volume was being vaped with nicotine use. PG can absorb moisture and dry the throat, but only in large quantities.
In my experience there is no harshness (dryness) from PG for our purposes here.
VoyagerGrey
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Fair enough thanks for the input...
I did wonder- since most of what I can found online is medical research and that is based on nicotine e-cigs, meaning long term constant use. Different from our use case.
Kalitechnik
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Hey guys. I am noticing that my citrate ejuice is quite thicker than i used to have my freebase one. Also i have notice that i am experiencing cloggin issues, and i cant even finish one 2ml tank without clogging the wick and getting dry hit.
Do you also observe this? I was thinking that my deems are to orange, so i made a super pure white stuff, and i experienced same issues.
Now i am even considering to change toward the RDA dripper style atomizer because of those experiences.
Do you notice something similar?
Do you also observe this? I was thinking that my deems are to orange, so i made a super pure white stuff, and i experienced same issues.
Now i am even considering to change toward the RDA dripper style atomizer because of those experiences.
Do you notice something similar?
Um... what's your setup?
I don't experience clogging if starting with Xtaline spice and using PG only
If you have a PG/VG mix, the % of VG can go up over time and that can make the juice dense and not flow well. Combined with too much power you could get a dry hit.
Just guessing, interested in your exact recipe and device/tank model/settings.
I think using PG only helps prevent thickening of the DMT salt juice.
I think a PG/VG mix will become VG rich over time (since PG vaporizes more easily). I remember reading (but can't find the source) that the mix tends to 100% VG while vaping.
100% PG aerosolizes more DMT salt solution compared to a PG/VG mix. See plot below where aerosol mass goes from 6.5mg to 11mg as PG concentration is increased (from Experimental Method of Emission Generation Calibration Based on Reference Liquids Characterization)
Personally, I think PG harshness in modern devices is a myth from a bygone era.
PG vaporizes at a lower temperature. It is thermally much gentler on the DMT organic salt.
In short: do not use VG for DMT salts (in my opinion)
I think a PG/VG mix will become VG rich over time (since PG vaporizes more easily). I remember reading (but can't find the source) that the mix tends to 100% VG while vaping.
100% PG aerosolizes more DMT salt solution compared to a PG/VG mix. See plot below where aerosol mass goes from 6.5mg to 11mg as PG concentration is increased (from Experimental Method of Emission Generation Calibration Based on Reference Liquids Characterization)
Personally, I think PG harshness in modern devices is a myth from a bygone era.
PG vaporizes at a lower temperature. It is thermally much gentler on the DMT organic salt.
In short: do not use VG for DMT salts (in my opinion)
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Kalitechnik
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Well. I am using Kylin Mini v2.
Firstly when i did my first cutrate e-juice it was a bit orangey (from xylene extractions) and i mixed it only with PG with few drops of VG.
At first i used my old Cerberus tank that i got with my Aegis Solo kit. I had two coils and i killed them within 3 sessions.
So i thought it is the orangey dmt issue. I made a new extraction and got pure white xtals. I mixed them with PG only and i used this thim my old Kylin, with the new wicking. I use 22-25W power.
I had two three sessions, and when i topped it up i notice again a tendency to get clogged. But i think i used all 2ml, and then i added a bit of juice made with orange dmt. That killed the wick completely.
Ny my options are to exchnage the coil in my Kylin ( i think i have it since 6-8months), and use only pure white xtals,
but i really like how efficient are my xylene (with backsalting) extractions and i would like to be able to use it also...
Thinking about going into dripping mode.
I have my Vandy Vape RDA Mesh, so maybe i will try with that, and in a future look for some best RDA option possible around?
I found also that somethig like SQUINK MOD exists, and maybe forcing a liquid in this way would be nice compromise?
Firstly when i did my first cutrate e-juice it was a bit orangey (from xylene extractions) and i mixed it only with PG with few drops of VG.
At first i used my old Cerberus tank that i got with my Aegis Solo kit. I had two coils and i killed them within 3 sessions.
So i thought it is the orangey dmt issue. I made a new extraction and got pure white xtals. I mixed them with PG only and i used this thim my old Kylin, with the new wicking. I use 22-25W power.
I had two three sessions, and when i topped it up i notice again a tendency to get clogged. But i think i used all 2ml, and then i added a bit of juice made with orange dmt. That killed the wick completely.
Ny my options are to exchnage the coil in my Kylin ( i think i have it since 6-8months), and use only pure white xtals,
but i really like how efficient are my xylene (with backsalting) extractions and i would like to be able to use it also...
Thinking about going into dripping mode.
I have my Vandy Vape RDA Mesh, so maybe i will try with that, and in a future look for some best RDA option possible around?
I found also that somethig like SQUINK MOD exists, and maybe forcing a liquid in this way would be nice compromise?
Ok, I understand that white DMT with PG only worked pretty well, which makes sense.
Unfortunately I don't know how to get jungle spice to work well, you may need to vape the freebase form of that, I don't know.
Kalitechnik
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No. white clean PG only mix worket better, but also with a bit of a clogging issues i would say.
But to be super sure about i will do one more super pure extraction, make PG only mix, change the coil, make a new wick and give it a go. If i will be able to vape 2-3 full tanks without any clogging issues i will know more. But if you do not see that problem, and i have not heard it before reported by anyone else i will presume that it is orange style dmt that is problematic here.
The organic citric acid that neutralizes DMT needs to treated gently in devices with not a lot of heat
Kalitechnik
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i guess we achive that by low power settings? i observed that when once i tried 30W on aegis solo with Kylin it was allready to much.
so i am stick with 20ish.
whats your settings?
The power density also matters (power/heated cotton surface area). I have settled on an aegis quad coil M tank running at low power (~25W, a lot lower than recommended). You can adjust power so the weight drop of the tank is ~20 to 30mg after a 10s hit (this way, you can control your exact dosage). This will be a low temperature setup for PG only.
VoyagerGrey
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This thread has been very helpful. Although I'm not interested in walking around with 50 trips to hyperspace worth of e-juice in my pocket, I've been trying to figure out how to effectively use a DT V5 to vaporize FB. It's a ceramic crucible device with a cyclone airflow cap. While it has worked, it's a finicky dance between cold hits that don't absorb well and overheating/burning. After going through this thread I've mixed up some e juice, something like 70PG/ 30VG. I did add a drop of mint essential oil (not so much to mask the DMT taste but the weird "artificial sweetner" after taste of the e juice) . The result is effective vaporization at a much slower temperature, In contrast to the pure FB which can appear to vaporize very effectively but if too cold will have greatly diminished effects, this greatly extends the margin between too cold and burning spice. Essentially as long as it's hot enough to vaporize it will work.
I measure out a dose, then add a single drop of juice to the crucible and gently heat till everything dissolves into a uniform liquid. That's all that's needed. A drop of of/vg from my dropper weighs about 35mg, so it's something like a 1:1 ratio.
For my next step I would like to try to make some DMT citrate e juice as a storage/transportation/dosing medium, as it's been established that this is a shelf stable product. If I had 3 dropper bottles at concentration of 5/10/20 mg per drop I could compose any useful dose in 3 drops (0.025 ml/drop on the dropper bottles I have) or less, which is reasonably vaporized in one or two hits. This would negate the need for scales and be much quicker to re dose as needed.
I tried dissolving some citric acid in pure PG, no success, even when heated. The citric acid was just purchased from the bulk food store so I have no idea what type it is. But it doesn't readily dissolve. I haven't tried heating for extended time yet. Any leads on what type of citric acid works best and where to order some?
I measure out a dose, then add a single drop of juice to the crucible and gently heat till everything dissolves into a uniform liquid. That's all that's needed. A drop of of/vg from my dropper weighs about 35mg, so it's something like a 1:1 ratio.
For my next step I would like to try to make some DMT citrate e juice as a storage/transportation/dosing medium, as it's been established that this is a shelf stable product. If I had 3 dropper bottles at concentration of 5/10/20 mg per drop I could compose any useful dose in 3 drops (0.025 ml/drop on the dropper bottles I have) or less, which is reasonably vaporized in one or two hits. This would negate the need for scales and be much quicker to re dose as needed.
I tried dissolving some citric acid in pure PG, no success, even when heated. The citric acid was just purchased from the bulk food store so I have no idea what type it is. But it doesn't readily dissolve. I haven't tried heating for extended time yet. Any leads on what type of citric acid works best and where to order some?
Kalitechnik
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So what temp you have set at DV5? I just tried to vapourize pure PG on it at 175C setting. Seems to be interesting way of doing it. What setting you have for your freebase/juice drop mix? And how do you inhale it? Can you put more and have 3-4 hits with it?
VoyagerGrey
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I set it to 440°F and start hitting it once it passes 230° or so. Slow and steady or it just splatters everywhere instead of vaporizing. About a 10 second pull. I try to finish it in one hit, sometimes there's a little left and I have to finish it off. Generally once you're down to the last of the vapor you can give it a hard pull if you have lung capacity left, it's hot enough and small enough amount that it will vaporize rather than spaltter.
As forultiple hits- not so much, once it starts to vaporize you kinda have to start inhaling or it will boil and bubble, and if there's a significant amount left when you're done, the vapour doesn't stop instantly so I would imagine much ot it would escape or end up condensing on the walls of the chamber. Nope, it's a one hit device.
One advantage of using the e juice is the ability to experiment with settings and practice inhalation without DMT in it...