DMT smoking vs. Ayahuasca for a newbie

[nerevar]

What would be better for starting out? Would having experience with one benefit the other? Which would be easier to start small to work up?

I have heard the bad thing about DMT for newbies is the experience can be very intense and have a rapid onset.
I have heard the bad thing about Ayahuasca for newbies is how long it lasts. However you are able to function (walk around, do basic things).

 

[Global]

Don't expect to walk around on ayahuasca. For me, it is extremely immobilizing. It's not like acid or mushrooms where I feel comfortable getting up and going. Sometimes it may take 15 minutes to muster the will to lift myself off the couch even. If you want my personal advice, go with the smoked DMT for starters. There probably won't be any nausea, and worse comes to worse, it's a couple minutes and it's over.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

i recommend changa.

if you want to get the best of both worlds, take a mushroom dose (whatever dose feels comfortable, can be a low dose if you want) and smoke changa as needed.

 

[Kyle109]

agreed with Parshvik^^

with changa you have the comfort of knowing that you will re enter this reality within 10-20 minutes. Its also supposed to be alot more chilled and earthy then the full spectrum crystal. I havent done aya yet but the thought of tripping on dmt for 5 hours is really daunting..

I like changa cause if I smoke it with abit of bud for back stop I find it comes on alot smoother and I am able to stand up and walk around enjoying the intense visuals. It depends on how far out there you wanna go.

 

[nerevar]

so changa is less intense than freebase? with what herb?
i was under the impression that it was not good for beginners because the maoi prolongs the experience.

 

[Sabnock]

I actually started out with Ayahuasca, never doing any psychedelic before and went straight for it. My first Ayahuasca experience consisted of 8 grams of Mimosa (far, far too much imo) and like 4.5 grams of Rue. It was so euphoric and awesome, but then the purge came, and afterwards i felt like i just went on the most awesomest roller coaster ride lol. I've done Ayahuasca many, many times and while it can be awesome and yes one can walk around if need be (i could), it also can get ugly if you fight it or don't know what you're doing.

I've never smoked straight DMT, but now my thing is Changa and i agree, it's the best of both worlds and while intense, it's grounded like Ayahuasca yet only lasts between about 10, 15 to 30 minutes or so depending on how you dose.

A heavy Harmala Changa can lengthen the experience to about 30 minutes, 45 minutes, even an hour or more if you keep smoking it. While a heavy DMT/light Harmala Changa can be just a hair longer than straight DMT (only by a couple minutes or so), yet is also ground similarly to Ayahuasca. Me personally, i like lot's of Harmalas, and just a little bit of DMT, but that's me.

It's all about how you dose it. Orally of course though, the Harmalas would last for hours, but when smoked it lasts much shorter for some reason.

 

[Sykosis]

so changa is less intense than freebase? with what herb?
i was under the impression that it was not good for beginners because the maoi prolongs the experience.

Anyway way you do it, If right will be intense just in different ways.

Aya is a long mystical journey that will gently bring you very high, show you many things then allow you to float back down.
Freebase is a rocket ship blast through the cosmos where everything moves at warp speeds.
Changa is that crack between the two lines, it's a more subtle come up, but is still quite intense in it's own right.

I myself started with freebase 5meo and that didn't change my opinions. I believe you can start however you want, you just need to be ready to accept the experience.

Happy travels.

 

[nerevar]

Thanks for the info!
I actually did start (vaped), a few times, each one more intense. The latest, I had my eyes open, and long story short, my door came alive...
I was thinking of posting a report but not sure.

 

[○]

so changa is less intense than freebase? with what herb?
i was under the impression that it was not good for beginners because the maoi prolongs the experience.

Changa can be every bit as intense as freebase, albeit a little slower through n' through, allowing to assimilate a little more of the teachings. If anything, changa is better for beginners, because you can ease into hyperspace a little more easily and less abruptly than straight freebase. But as far as intensity goes, it can be just as intense as straight freebase.

much love,
tat

 

[DeDao]

Personally, I took ayahuasca first. Like the others said, ayahuasca is not like LSD or mushrooms where you can walk around. I find it similar to the immobilization you may find on a high dose of cacti. These plants, specifically cacti and ayahuasca are medicines. If you are walking around "doing normal things" while being healed and when you are supposed to be paying attention to the experience and how your mind reacts with it then there is something wrong.

Ayahuasca can be VERY intense. Taking too much can really be frightening and leave you scared for months if not years. It seems counter intuitive but I find smoking it to be easier on the mind because if I start to feel bad then I know it will only last a few minutes and if I can't remember I smoked it then I will still come down in a few minutes. With the oral dose it can pull and push you out of a state similar but I find it's rougher of a ride, especially if you are fighting it.

Although, ayahuasca can do things that smoking DMT purely can't do, in my opinion. Ayhuasca seems to have the ability to be more spiritual from my opinion. Also, it's slowed down in a sense so you can absorb more from it. Everytime I take an oral dose of a psychedelic, I always come back with knowledge or feelings about the world or my self. With smoking, it can go so quickly that by the time you get back you are just scratching your head saying "okkaaayy, that was weird."

In the end, essentially what I am saying is smoking a little of DMT on its own first is good for understanding the feeling that can there for 6 hours with ayahuasca + Spirit. Remember you have Ayahuasca and the Chacruna. Smoking DMT you only have that accent. So it will be different. Even though it will be different in ways, it will be similar in ways. Having the intense feeling of being taken under or over with DMT is scary at first and smoking it makes it easier for you to let go or atleast not have the choice and come back fine, letting yourself know that it's you that is making it scary. You will be able to connect that feeling with ayahuasca, then possibly be able to work with it deeper.

Standing up on the surf board has got to be the hardest challenge. All else you gotta do is sail into eternity.

Hope it helped.

Dao

 

[jamie]

I personally don't think I find ayahuasca any more spiritual than other methods of getting the tryptamines into my brain. I have drunk ayahuasca and other similar brews, smoked, snuffed and used the tryptamine mixes sublingually..I have had exually spiritual experiences with all of them probly.

I find snuffing and vaporizing more useful than ayahuasca for me at times..more to the point and also a more ancient use of these tryptamine containing plants. Snuffing and smoking predates drinking.

Each approach is a little different, as is each plant and can be used to achieve slightly different goals..and I tend to prefer different routes at different times. At one point I stopped doing anything but brewing..and I drank a lot..I first smoked DMT though and for a time I only did that..now I apply all the methods when they are needed, but I have been smoking and snuffing more in the last 6 months or so than drinking..also because I have been experimenting with new plants local to my area like wild grass species that seem to me better suited for smoking or snuffing right now and I am not drawn to ayahuasca over other plants that are more "ours" in the west.

 

[○]

Personally, I took ayahuasca first. Like the others said, ayahuasca is not like LSD or mushrooms where you can walk around. I find it similar to the immobilization you may find on a high dose of cacti. These plants, specifically cacti and ayahuasca are medicines. If you are walking around "doing normal things" while being healed and when you are supposed to be paying attention to the experience and how your mind reacts with it then there is something wrong.

Ayahuasca can be VERY intense. Taking too much can really be frightening and leave you scared for months if not years. It seems counter intuitive but I find smoking it to be easier on the mind because if I start to feel bad then I know it will only last a few minutes and if I can't remember I smoked it then I will still come down in a few minutes. With the oral dose it can pull and push you out of a state similar but I find it's rougher of a ride, especially if you are fighting it.

Although, ayahuasca can do things that smoking DMT purely can't do, in my opinion. Ayhuasca seems to have the ability to be more spiritual from my opinion. Also, it's slowed down in a sense so you can absorb more from it. Everytime I take an oral dose of a psychedelic, I always come back with knowledge or feelings about the world or my self. With smoking, it can go so quickly that by the time you get back you are just scratching your head saying "okkaaayy, that was weird."

In the end, essentially what I am saying is smoking a little of DMT on its own first is good for understanding the feeling that can there for 6 hours with ayahuasca + Spirit. Remember you have Ayahuasca and the Chacruna. Smoking DMT you only have that accent. So it will be different. Even though it will be different in ways, it will be similar in ways. Having the intense feeling of being taken under or over with DMT is scary at first and smoking it makes it easier for you to let go or atleast not have the choice and come back fine, letting yourself know that it's you that is making it scary. You will be able to connect that feeling with ayahuasca, then possibly be able to work with it deeper.

Standing up on the surf board has got to be the hardest challenge. All else you gotta do is sail into eternity.

Hope it helped.

Dao

A solid brew of aya will leave no stone unturned. :twisted: