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DMT solubility

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I'd like quantitative solubility data.
I see the bufotenine table and I find quite odd I was unable to find anything DMT related.
Thought it was for lack in search skills.
 
mumbles said:
distopia said:
I'd like quantitative solubility data.
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I'll second that.
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That'll be difficult.

People do not usually go and make such measurements. for practical reasons, qualitative descriptions are adequate, like

dmt is very soluble in xylene, toluene, acetone, IPA, methanol, ethanol, DCM, chloroform, ether, MEK, limonene, butanol and isomers to name a few.

dmt is soluble in naphtha, hexane, heptane but almost insoluble in these solvents at freezing temperatures

dmt is almost insoluble in water.

salts are another story, but generally they are soluble in polar solvents like water, methanol, ethanol, IPA, acetone (with this, descending order) and insoluble in any other non-polar solvent.
 
search pubchem for dimethyltryptamine, noting the xlogp. do the same for a variety of solvents.

from the site:
XLogP: A partition coefficient or distribution coefficient that is a measure of differential solubility of a compound in two solvents. Learn more..
From Feburary 2009, the PubChem uses version 3 of the algorithm to generate the XlogP value. [J. Chem. Inf. Model. 2007, 47, 2140-2148.]. You can also visit the XLogP3 website: 在线计算软件 Welcome to SIOC-CCBG group.


if you want to visualize where the solvent accessibility is focused, you can observe it in a program like LigandScout, or ChemDraw 3D.
 
Why are salt and base both soluble in acetone and IPA? I thought that if a solvent was good for one, it was not for the other.
And why do I wash my DMT-fumarate with acetone? I'm pretty sure I was following directions from someone who knows alot more than me.
Please advise.

Pokey the n00b
 
Thanks Benzyme! It will take some google research to fully understand what you're talking about, but now I have a place to start!

Pokey
 
benzyme said:
search pubchem for dimethyltryptamine, noting the xlogp. do the same for a variety of solvents.
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These data are already in the nexus :)

XlogP - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me wiki.dmt-nexus.me
But I'm not able to determine an useful solubility (e.g. g/L) starting with the XlogP.
I'm not a chemist, but if you give me the formula, 'll do the math and I'll paste the result table here :).

The point was, therefore, the ratio of d-Limonene.
The ratio for naptha pull is "1ml every gr of bark".
But the d-Limonene teks are quite different each other...
Here is 100mL (each pull) for 495gr of bark, 5 pull
Here is 100mL (each pull) for 90gr of bark, 4-6 pull.

Since d-Limonene is quite expansive, I'm wondering about the best ratio.
Or better, the dmt solubility :)
 
distopia said:
The ratio for naptha pull is "1ml every gr of bark".
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I know this is a really old post but I figured I should search to see if has already been answered before making a new post.

Anyways, is 1ml per 1g bark really necessary?

I've seen other people say that 30ml warm petroleum ether is enough to dissolve 1g of DMT.

Assuming a 1.5% yield (from acacia) that would mean that for every 100g of bark, 1.5 g DMT is yielded and therefore only 45ml per 100g bark seems more realistic especially considering the fact that you aren't doing just one pull.

With this logic it would be more like .5ml per 1g bark.

I ask this question because I don't want to have to use a liter of solvent for every kilo or bark.
 
Its one thing to try and dissolve pure DMT with hot solvent (thats where the 30ml per g comes from)

Its another completely different thing to pull DMT from a complex dilute matrix of substances.. Thats where you need several pulls and larger amounts.. I'd say for 100g, I'd do 50-75ml pulls, do about 4 of them, and the 5th evap/freeze separately.

If you freeze precipitate you can reuse solvents so you dont have to worry about not having enough.

Lastly, why are you extracting kilos of plant material? Most people shouldnt need so much DMT, unless you are giving a lot away (and in that case be careful since you cant have control on how well and respectfully people are using if its not a one-on-one initiation thing but just giving it to people), or selling (which I guess is not your case and that youre aware we consider it a big no no).
 
endlessness said:
Lastly, why are you extracting kilos of plant material? Most people shouldnt need so much DMT, unless you are giving a lot away (and in that case be careful since you cant have control on how well and respectfully people are using if its not a one-on-one initiation thing but just giving it to people), or selling (which I guess is not your case and that youre aware we consider it a big no no).
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Three reasons:

1. It is cheaper to buy materials in bulk.
2. Many of my VERY close friends, who have a great appreciation for DMT, are not chemists and don't trust themselves with an extraction so I like to help them out by letting them throw down on the materials so they can enjoy DMT without having to buy it from a source they don't trust.
3. I don't like to have to do an extraction every month, I'd rather do one every 6 months or so.

I do NOT give away or sell any DMT. I 100% agree with the opinions of this forum. I also think that DMT should not be restricted to the people that understand chemistry or have the guts to do an extraction themselves (this includes many of my friends that are girls).
 
girls can't be chemist? :?:

Anyways, im wondering about efficiency too.

Somewhere down the line when i have more resources and knowledge, need money and school, I will do some research and try to quantify results.

although right now my focus seems to be cacti and getting a better more consistent and potent gene pool and stable strains and max efficiency.


bumping this kinda
 
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