Do you buy research chemicals?

[Fiashly]

I voted yes, but i have to ad that when i buyed research chemicals i wasn't aware of the fact that they where RC's, i thought it was acid, but boy, was i fooled by that one!

I wouldn't buy RC's intentionaly, if that was what you where trying to ask here, but i highly doubt that i ever had pure acid anyways, i don't think there's much of pure acid around anymore.


I would like to try 2-CB though.

 

[soulfood]

2cb is the only RC I've tried and I highly recommend it. It reminds me of short acting digital mescaline.

If someone could guarantee me some pure 2ce I'd jump on them

I'd never order this stuff online though.

 

[nadir]

2c-b isn't a RC, is it?
swim loves 2c-i. it feels like 2c-b, but more "natural", if you know what I mean :d

 

[soulfood]

Depends how you define an RC.

I guess 2cb isn't an RC anymore as it's now on the naughty list in most places, but when I was first made aware of the concept of RC's it was very much available.

 

[jamie]

maybe I would buy ibogaine...it's legal in canada..but $$

 

[ohayoco]

Nope, don't trust them. I don't buy illegal drugs either because I expect they're all cut with RCs and other nasties these days too. Chemicals can do all sorts of horrible things to you, they can be teratogenic (e.g. thalidomide), carcinogenic (e.g. asbestos), or mutagenic (e.g. benzene).

Here's a picture of a thalidomide damaged baby, no drug is that good http://politicolnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/20060321_thalidomidebaby_3.jpg

 

[Spiced]

Can i ask here if this website is trustworthy?

Mod Edit: No I'm sorry this is breaking forum rules. Even this thread is borderline acceptable

Sorry, i didn't know that.
Thanks.

 

[jamie]

Nope, don't trust them. I don't buy illegal drugs either because I expect they're all cut with RCs and other nasties these days too. Chemicals can do all sorts of horrible things to you, like mutate you Drugs that didn't make it... - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I dont like buying any illegal drugs either..just legal dried plants like mimosa root bark..I wont even buy weed these days..Id rather not smoke it at all than smoke the stuff I see around here even once every few weeks...
The only thing I will buy is mushrooms until I start growing them...but I know enough people that grow them or know the growers so I am not too worried about that.

I forgot about 4 Aco-DMT...damn I want some of that stuff...

 

[jamie]

I'm not sure I would call ibogaine an RC since it is extracted and not synthesized. In my experience the root bark feels almost identical to ibogaine hcl especially at higher doses so if you want to check it out for a more reasonable price (although still expensive) you should get some root bark from maya.

Ya I guess you are right...I can get rootbark a few places around here as well but have always been afraid of iboga:?...going to try it eventaully though...I need a few days with nothing to do at all...

 

[soulfood]

Don't be afraid of iboga. Just be sensible with it and plan ahead... book time off etc.

 

[Bancopuma]

In former days I was a bit of a research chemical fiend...2CE, 2CT2, 2CT7, 2CB, 2CI, Mephedrone, Methylone and GBL have all been purchased pure, at good value, and in good quantities off the internet in times past. Yes it is risky, but to be honest, I can't say I regret any of the choices I made back then...had some incredible experiences over the years with some of these chems.

And have no fear of Iboga, really nothing to fear...in fact Iboga can teach you how to live without fear, where it is not needed.

 

[69ron]

I would never ingest something that hasn't been around long enough to know if it’s safe or not. Most RC's fall in that category.

Also, most of the RC vendors are not very professional, from what I've heard, and a lot of the RC's have all sorts of crap in them leftover from quick and dirty synths and some are actually mislabeled (and this has caused deaths). So you don't know exactly what's in it. It’s risky health wise. I don’t recommend using RCs, unless they are made by a very well known company with a good reputation for quality drug manufacturing.

 

['Coatl]

Heeeeeell no.

 

[Bancopuma]

I definitely wouldn't recommend it, or go down that path now...not quite the same guy I was all those years ago. These days almost all of my interest lies in the botanical realm.

However,

2CB...very nice material. Used in conjunction with MDMA for therapy on occasion. There have been a few accidental overdoses with it over the years, with some people taking many, many times an active dose, but coming down, ruffled, but unharmed, so I don't think it is dangerous. Lacks the abrasive edge some of the other 2C's have.

2CE...unique, incredible material. Nothing else like it, even the other 2C's are markedly different in character. A 'deep psychedelic', high doses are unmatched for me in terms of visionary power and the realms it takes you to. Can get a little strange at high doses, and can be hard on the body on the come up, but a very interesting material, not a favourite, but very interesting nonetheless.

 

[Madcap]

Nope. It seems like in the short period of time that I have been paying attention to RCs, I have heard more negative stories than positive (regarding purity and proper labeling)

Many of these companies have no reason to supply good product. Most seem to be here one day gone the next. Honestly, I was worried I would get ripped off (laxative or something inert) . But, now after reading things...I guess I should have been more worried about getting poisoned.

 

[narmz]

"I would never ingest something that hasn't been around long enough to know if it’s safe or not."

Everything has to start somewhere, and acid was a research chemical not too long ago as well. If everyone had that sort of outlook, acid wouldn't be in existence, we never would have tested the first cacti, fungus, vine or seed for their benefits. I might even argue that purity-wise, some of these RC's are much cleaner than any LSD or MDMA (or what have you) you could pick up off the streets (as they are typically tested for quality and purity at multiple steps along the production chain - something not necessarily guaranteed from a clandestine lab).

That being said, I have read a report on erowid about the possible harmful effects that 2C-I can have on the thyroid. The claims aren't backed up by much, but it claims that iodine, a very heavy atom is not commonly used in pharmaceuticals except in those which help to regulate the thyroid. If anyone can provide any insight into whether or not those claims hold any truth to them, i'd love to hear it, because right now it's just un-sourced gossip to me.

Being as the 2C's are structurally quite similar to mescaline, and looking at their structure, is there any reason, aside from them not being officially tested on humans, to believe that they pose any real serious danger in the long and/or short term? They have been around for some years now, and there are quite a few people out there testing these things every day. Every single one of them was tested by Shulgin himself, and he's in his 80's now. Most of the negative reports which I have read are a result of ignorance in terms of dosage or administration route. I mean, the reason Shulgin didn't overdose and die over the course of synthesizing all of these chemicals is because he treated them with the same sort of respect that many users on the boards give to established psychedelics like cacti or DMT. The reason there are so many negative reports is because people look at them as though they are a party drug, and a second-rate psychedelic, when in reality they require the same level of caution and respect, they too are a natural product of the earth, fruits of human ingenuity, and modified reflections of the natural world seen through the eyes of humans.

 

[freethinker]

RCs were fun. 2CB is ok, but 2CI is awesome (even more mescaline like), 2CE is too speedy but can be fun also, 2CT2 is the 'shit' do not pass it up if given a safe reliable opportunity to explore, DOB is kind of annoying like really really long lasting 2CE, AMT is kind of annoying also too methy, too many to remember... letters, numbers, ahhh!

Are any of them still legal? Been a long time. I figured everything was scheduled under some sort of derivatives legislation now. Remember drugs are bad 'mkay? Don't do anything illegal (like buying illegal drugs).

 

[Bancopuma]

Hey narmz,

Thanks for your wise and well thought out contribution to this thread...agree completely.

And its interesting as my experiences differ a lot from yours freethinker...2CB was the friendliest/smoothest I encountered, 2CI I actually found a bit dull for some reason, the 2CT2/2CT7 I found jarring, imposed, and 'empty', lacking a special magical something that mescaline, mushrooms, DMT and LSD all have. Think I did too much of 2CT2 though, in the wrong environment, and myself and my friends were quite literally forced to flee into the night, to be enveloped by the security of nature....the experience was better there, but it was far from friendly. 2CE, at large doses anyway, is beyond 'fun' and can take you somewhere you never even imagined...

 

[ambi-lysergance]

:d

I have tried 2cb which I found remarkable.

also tried mephedrone/mephylone rc's


would love to try 2ci or 2ce but would be hesitant to trust an online vendor for 2c chems.

 

[69ron]

"I would never ingest something that hasn't been around long enough to know if it’s safe or not."

Everything has to start somewhere, and acid was a research chemical not too long ago as well. If everyone had that sort of outlook, acid wouldn't be in existence, we never would have tested the first cacti, fungus, vine or seed for their benefits.

That's what human guinea pigs are for. I am no guinea pig. I value my health. If you want to be a guinea pig, that's great. You take your chances with them and the rest of us will learn from your tests. If you drop dead, it will be a good indication to the rest of us not to touch it. If you end up with brain damage, that will be another good indication to the rest of us not to touch it. If you end up with personality problems, or end up having birth defects in your children or end up with mutations, etc., then those will be good indications to the rest of us not to touch it.