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Doctors said I almost died from LSD

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Lorielparr1221

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I had a near death experience due the fact of me taking one tab of lsd! I first started to see what i thought would be the most beautiful thing that I have had ever seen in my life but as I started to go more into my trip I began to see so much more.
I went to go to the car about 2 hours later to smoke some weed with my boyfriend. My whole trip lasted for 7 days! I was starting to see mickey mouse's everywhere the smoke even changed into mickey mouse. I held the bowl in my hand and it began to feel like I was the whole universe and I had so many arms! I could never put into words how I felt at that moment. I sat there very quiet I was speechless. Also I did not tell my boyfriend because I did not want him to think that I was tripping that hard. I did not know why I felt like the whole universe until later on in my trip.


When I went back Into the apartment with my boyfriend we laid down and I began to go into what looked like a red Vortex I was scared at first by then I heard a voice it said “do not be scared” so I went more into it. It was not scary it was interesting I feel that it was “purgatory” I guess you can call it I knew I did not belong there but all the other souls did and some even like it there believe it or not. The funny thing is that it was not as bad as earth. I believe that there may be lower levels of purgatory because everywhere I went was levels it's like the better the soul you have the better your place will be. I believe you can move from your level if you just call out to God.


I then went through a pink vortex that was really pretty I loved it so much. Everyone was nice. It looked like their souls were dancing. They were so happy. It was like the more I went in these dimensions the better they got. Like I said it’s all levels for the kind of soul you have. All the souls looked at me saying “hey what are you doing here?” They all really liked me. I kept asking if I could stay because it was a billion times better than earth. You could do anything you can think of there I never felt so much love in my life.


This next thing that happen is the hardest to explain. Everything started to get really curvy and even more perfect which I did not think was possible. It was like everyone was so at peace. This whole time it felt like someone was pulling me through a big dimension trying to show me my spot of where my soul goes. I kept going through thinking my soul has to be close to where it supposed to go everyone here is way too perfect! So I kept saying to my guide “Ollie is this my spot!” then they said no. Every time my guide said no I got so excited because that meant I got to go to a higher level.


The next thing I know BAM! I am sitting next to an Alien! I said to him “are you God”? He shook his head no smoking a blunt. I said will than who is god! He pointed to me. I said no I’m not!!! He shook his head yes with a smile on his face. After hours it felt of me saying no and the alien saying yes I gave up and said “OKAY, fine I’m god!” I saw the alien get happy. Then the next thing I know I turned into the alien! I was thinking wow! This is crazy!


Then all of a sudden It felt like I was no longer tripping. I woke up with a bong in my hand and my boyfriend and his friends named Devon and DJ asked me “did it work yet?” I was like “wow wait what?” They laughed and said “ahhh it worked!” It turns out I was tripping my whole life! I just knew I did because everything was so much more REAL than here. Like Infinity times more real than earth. They were like “BRO you were tripping hard G” they called me G like as if I was God. The funny thing is the guy Devon always calls me G. Like what up G. Not that he remembers why because none of them know that this happened a day later. I didn’t even remember all of this happened until I saw someone online say “when you die you wake up with a bong in your hand and an alien asks if it worked yet.” I saw that comment two months after I had my near death experience.


I realized that everything made sense at the time I was the alien that smokes because I was god. Everyone is God! We are one big soul. But it was almost like I was the best part of the soul or the one the main part that God was tripping about. I really don't understand now but at the time I just knew everything! I wish that I could remember why I was the most important part at the time. Then I started thinking that if I am the main part than I can get everyone off of earth. We can all be together now and at the time it worked I took everyone off of earth and made everyone and everything be together again. It was like everyone came into the smoke that I was smoking and was so happy we were all together. Everything was made of love and music I could never describe all that happened but It was the best feeling that I could ever feel.


The next day I was starting to kind of forget what happened last night I did not sleep or anything It was just going away I was trying to come down from my trip by watching some vines but when I looked at everyone on vine I was everyone I looked at. I kept thinking in my head “ha that's me” like as if I was really that person. We walked out and my boyfriend was about to drive me home. He turned on the music and it felt like every song was talking to me. I kept thinking how this is possible!
I heard a voice say all you have to do is die and we can all be together again. So I took a lighter and was trying to set the car on fire I had smile on my face when I put the lighter on the top of my boyfriend’s car. I just burnt the top of his car and it did not go the way I wanted it to. The light turned into a mickey mouse and I just stopped trying.


I was about to get out of the car to go home this whole time my boyfriend thought that I wasn't tripping. I got out the car saying “I can’t wait to see my mom” because it felt like forever that I was gone. So my boyfriend pulled me back in the car and said “No just stay here.” So I did that next we went to Giant Eagle so that I could get a sleeping pill. When I went in the store I saw that everyone had a third eye! I then soon remembered that I was god. I kept thinking yeah I’m god all feeling confident. Even though we all are God my trip said that I am the biggest part. Then we got back in the car and Adele came on when we were young and everything started to look old even the people. It's like I was stuck and I kept coming back to earth to repeat my life because I wanted to be young again.


So because I wasn't coming down from my trip my boyfriend had to take me to the hospital. When we got there everything looked like it was fading away. It was like the world we live in is a dream. I looked on the t.v and it was talking about a Terrace attack my trip was trying to tell me something. I wrote 20k on my hand so that I wouldn't forget. I think it was trying there's going to be a World War III that I'm going to die when I'm 20 from the war. I’m not 100% sure but that's what I think. I can't say all the details because the site will take it down. I was supposed to die the day I tripped but I didn't. My heart rate was 150 beats a minute. I was so overwhelmed of everything my trip was saying to me the last thing I remember was a doctor drugged me to put me to sleep and I felt my whole trip slip away. The doctor said if I didn't get to the hospital the time I did I probably would've died.


When I woke up the next day I didn't even remember my name. I looked around and everyone looked like I was dreaming nothing really felt real. I thought I changed the world because I was so close to making a change in my trip but to make a difference I would have had to die. I guess my trip kind of was like a sacrifice if I would have died. I sometimes wish that I would have died that day, because in my trip it was like if I died then this world would be history. I'm not sure if my trip was 100% real or not but if it was then all I could think is I wish I could be dead right now.


Now I can't even do weed anymore without turning into an alien!!



I used ehrlich's reagent testing kit.
The results were it turned purple.
I don't have any pre-existing heart problems.
I don't want LSD to look bad and I understand REAL LSD can't really kill someone but It could Kill me because I'm not like other people my trip told me that. I just can't do things like psychedelics because I can't come down from the trip by myself. I just wanted to see if anyone had an experience similar to mine. Also if someone could give me some reasons of why that might of happened to me. Sorry if I made it over dramatic I was just letting out how I feel. I had the best Trip that anyone could ever imagine. I don't regret taking this drug it changed my life and thought me to love more than anything.

Ps. If I feel like what you say is rude I'm not going to reply anymore. Please just ask me nicely and I will answer any questions you have for me.
 
Difficult psychedelic experiences can certainly shake you up.

Sounds like there were several factors leading to your difficult experience that could have been avoided with prior preparation into an altered state of consciousness.

Sometimes it's best to avoid these altered states if they are overwhelming to you. I hope you can integrate your experience and find a place where you can be at peace with it someday.

Can you find a deeper meaning or lesson in this experience?

Try not to let this experience rule your mind with fears. You made it through. Let it go.

Good luck with your integration!

P.S. Take a look at this link and check out the resources provided. --> Trip Sitter Resources - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
Do some research into LSD and psychedelics. Check out the link I recommended.

I think you are being a little mellow dramatic to be honest. No offense.

Some people should not take psychedelics. You may be one of them.

Find another perspective. Learn about these substances. I am not trying to be dismissive. You can disagree. The fact remains that you created your own experience. You are responsible for your perceptions. The experience was within you not outside.

When you take responsibility for what you saw and felt then you can start to see where your perceptions are off a bit. It was difficult, sure. But you made it difficult. Your perceptions made it difficult. Expand your perceptions and you will be able to look at this difficult journey in a more constructive way.
 
From Erowid Vault:
Put simply, LSD does not cause death at recreational or therapeutic doses (less than 500 ug / 0.5 mg). An increase in news articles in 2012/2013 suggesting deaths related to LSD are almost all related to 25I-NBOMe and 25C-NBOMe, two new chemicals, available on blotter, but completely different from LSD. While there are substantial reasons why users should be cautious about LSD use (see LSD Health), death is not a major risk.

Less than a handful of human deaths have been tied in the medical literature to the pharmacological effects of LSD, and none of these deaths have been unquestionably attributable to LSD's actions. The clearest case was documented by Fysh et al. in 1985; however, they fail to explain the circumstances of the death, only discussing the toxicological assessment, casting some doubt that the only explanation for the death was LSD.

Estimates of lethal doses of LSD are higher than 10 mg (10,000 ug) administered orally, more than 100 times a normal moderate dose of LSD (100 ug). The administration of this amount would require the ingestion of more than 200 units of street blotter, which typically contain about 50 ug of LSD (as of late 2010). LSD has been used by tens of millions of people over the last 50 years and has been administered to tens of thousands of patients in psychotherapeutic settings (mostly prior to 1960).

Some suicides have been tied to the use of LSD, though it is difficult to positively link an individual's choice to take their own life with their past use of LSD. In general, LSD is not reported to substantially increase the risk of suicide and those who do commit suicide after taking LSD are likely to have suffered from pre-existing suicidal tendencies.

Some deaths have been associated with inebriated or combative behavior while under the influence of LSD, including falling or jumping from a height or dying after being beaten by police.

Because the numbers of fatalities associated with LSD are so low, it is difficult to determine the risk of death associated with LSD. Erowid estimates that the risk of death from taking LSD is probably less than one death per million LSD use sessions, with risk of death higher among those predisposed to suicide and among those without a sober sitter present to help avoid accidents or fights.

In his 2001 book "Illegal Drugs: A Compete Guide to Their History, Chemistry, Use and Abuse", Dr Paul Gahlinger states "LSD is not toxic in the biological sense.". A 2008 review of the scientific literature titled "The Pharmacology of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide: A Review", by Passie et al. gives the number of pharmacological fatalities from LSD as zero: "There have been no documented human deaths from an LSD overdose."
 
Maybe it was DOC or something similar. I've seen 1.8mg (!) NBOME megatabs complexed with cyclodextrin, there's pretty reckless material out there...
 
If you re word this so its more concise and put proper spacing etc then you may get more replies; just an idea.

What does the cyclodextrin do; help it absorb?
 
I mean yeah I might be a little over dramatic about the whole thing but I'm sure a lot of people would act the same way if they saw what I saw I mean I was given so much information about the universe the way love is the only thing that can travel though time and space things that I would never be able to come up with by myself. Sure everything that I saw could of been fake or whatever but I didn't even know you could see any of the things I saw when I was on the drug all I was told was that you we'll see lot of Colors now I know that there is a lot more to it then that. I did do a lot of research and continue to do so. But yet no one has been though anything I have been though. I feel alone sometimes because I feel no one knows how I feel. Every time I try to tell my story to someone they look at me like something is wrong with me. Yeah sure I made it more dramatic but I almost ended my life in the weirdest way. I'm just saying how I feel that's why I'm on this site so I can let how I feel out. I'm a very sensitive person little things can make me go crazy I always been that way.
 
Lorielparr1221 said:
I mean yeah I might be a little over dramatic about the whole thing but I'm sure a lot of people would act the same way if they saw what I saw I mean I was given so much information about the universe the way love is the only thing that can travel though time and space things that I would never be able to come up with by myself. Sure everything that I saw could of been fake or whatever but I didn't even know you could see any of the things I saw when I was on the drug all I was told was that you we'll see lot of Colors now I know that there is a lot more to it then that. I did do a lot of research and continue to do so. But yet no one has been though anything I have been though. I feel alone sometimes because I feel no one knows how I feel. Every time I try to tell my story to someone they look at me like something is wrong with me. Yeah sure I made it more dramatic but I almost ended my life in the weirdest way. I'm just saying how I feel that's why I'm on this site so I can let how I feel out. I'm a very sensitive person little things can make me go crazy I always been that way.

Ok. Now your talking. Keep on this line of thought. Many people have been through difficult experiences on psychedelics. I am sorry you feel alone in this. Yes, you saw what you saw and no one else did. You will be the one that has to come to terms with the experience.

This may be the start of a new thinking for you. A new perspective that you cannot put back into the box. You saw what you saw and felt what you felt. That is yours to do with as you choose. Let it awaken a part of you and not shut you down. Be dramatic if you want. Be yourself. Nothing wrong with that. But try and look for the positive.

Nothing is fake. Tell your story. Think about this story and tell us about how your feel about it. Keep in mind that people will not always respond just how you want them to. Don't worry about what anyone says. Be sensitive. Be all the things you want.

What part of this experience bothers you most? What part of it showed you something new and wonderful? Would you take it all back if you could? Or maybe just the bad parts? The difficult parts can often show us something about ourselves more powerful than the good in many ways. The bad is part of the good. The good is part of the bad. Can you become a better person because you had this difficult journey. Allow it to make you stronger.

Please don't hesitate to come here and express yourself. We are all evolving. We are all looking for connection is this way. Learn. Expand. Share. I am glad you are letting it out. This is the first step. I am glad you shared.

Good luck to you Lorielparr1221!
 
Hey Lorielparr1221,

I can relate to much of your story: the vortex emanating from your third eye, being told the highest truth, contact with other worldly beings and more. And trust me - many have been there and know what you are talking about, albeit they may have put it in different words and attach different meaning to it.

As to the voices telling you to commit suicide in order to make spiritual progress - I would not trust them and definitely not do what they tell. I have known a guy (well, not personally), but he was my uncle's friend and his story was tragic. He was working hard to make spiritual progress and has mastered the art of astral travel. And in the beginning it went well, he was truly driven to explore the unknown. But, as time passed, he became more and more alienated from his friends and family, feeling as if nobody could understand the importance of what he was doing and discovering.

Long story short: one night he stood at the doorstep of my uncle's apartment. The doorbell rang. My uncle got up and opened the door. This friend of him walked straight to the balcony (my uncle's apartment was at 9th floor) and without saying a word he jumped from it to his instant death. He left no farewell letter, so it is unknown what has driven him to commit suicide. But my uncle is sure that it had to do with his so called spiritual work and astral travel.
 
AstraLex said:
Hey Lorielparr1221,

I can relate to much of your story: the vortex emanating from your third eye, being told the highest truth, contact with other worldly beings and more. And trust me - many have been there and know what you are talking about, albeit they may have put it in different words and attach different meaning to it.

As to the voices telling you to commit suicide in order to make spiritual progress - I would not trust them and definitely not do what they tell. I have known a guy (well, not personally), but he was my uncle's friend and his story was tragic. He was working hard to make spiritual progress and has mastered the art of astral travel. And in the beginning it went well, he was truly driven to explore the unknown. But, as time passed, he became more and more alienated from his friends and family, feeling as if nobody could understand the importance of what he was doing and discovering.

Long story short: one night he stood at the doorstep of my uncle's apartment. The doorbell rang. My uncle got up and opened the door. This friend of him walked straight to the balcony (my uncle's apartment was at 9th floor) and without saying a word he jumped from it to his instant death. He left no farewell letter, so it is unknown what has driven him to commit suicide. But my uncle is sure that it had to do with his so called spiritual work and astral travel.


Wow how did your uncle's friend astral travel?

I'm glad you have had similar experiences as me. I feel like every time I tell my story, people look at me like I have some kind of mental problem. It makes me feel like something is wrong with me.
 
I am unaware of the exact techniques that friend of my uncle was using, but obviously he became quite skilled in it. He spent pretty much all of his free time out-of-body. A few weeks before committing suicide, he mentioned to my uncle that he felt more at home in astral plane than here and that his physical body was holding down his spiritual progress.

Ha, tell me what. I still remember how I was telling matter-of-factually that I found a way to access the spirit world and communicate with its inhabitants. My fellow students thought that I was crazy, while my friends and family were genuinely worried about my mental health. However, there were also a few people who actually listened to my story without making any assumptions about my psychological well-being. Only then did I realize how important it is to have somebody to talk to when the whole world seems to misinterpret your words and actions.
 
First off, the title of this thread is over dramatic and incorrect.
In my opinion this doesn't sound like LSD. 1 hit of even the highest quality LSD is nowhere near potent enough to cause what you described. LSD will NEVER last for 7 days, unless you were to do a thumbprint maybe. This story sounds to me like a teen freaking out on a drug, which they had no idea what it truly was, and being irresponsible and unprepared for what can happen. I would recommend getting a test kit if you plan to experiment in the future.
As far as your initial report, nothing suggests that you nearly died at all, there wasn't even any real reason presented for you going to the hospital.
 
ultraviolence said:
First off, the title of this thread is over dramatic and incorrect.
In my opinion this doesn't sound like LSD. 1 hit of even the highest quality LSD is nowhere near potent enough to cause what you described. LSD will NEVER last for 7 days, unless you were to do a thumbprint maybe. This story sounds to me like a teen freaking out on a drug, which they had no idea what it truly was, and being irresponsible and unprepared for what can happen. I would recommend getting a test kit if you plan to experiment in the future.
As far as your initial report, nothing suggests that you nearly died at all, there wasn't even any real reason presented for you going to the hospital.
Yeah I could see were you would think that and it was LSD I did have a test kit btw my boyfriend did 3 tabs and was fine. I was not irresponsible with this drug. I just have a low trip tolerance. I get almost the same trip when I smoke weed. I did almost die my heart rate was 150 beats a minute. That's not normal. So yeah I did almost died. I learned a lot from my trip and I wouldn't take it back. If you look it up LSD can make your heart rate go up just saying I did my research. You can think it's over dramatic I don't really care about that. But geez I almost died I don't know how to make that not sound dramatic.
 
First of all, Im sorry you had such a difficult experience and I'm glad you came through fine!

Where did the "almost died" conclusion come from? What tests were done to assess your condition being 'near-death' ?

150bpm doesn't have to mean near-death... If you were very scared, under psychological stress (or exercising), you can reach such heart rates and still be fine physically. To say you "almost died" when there is a lack of reported LSD deaths in any reasonable or even very high dose, even after millions of people have used it in all sorts of dosages (and with prohibtionists wishing so much it was true and looking hard for such cases) sounds to me like you need to be more careful with your claims/conclusions. There is really only one reliable report of an LSD overdose death in history AFAIK and that was the equivalent of 3 thousand (!!) doses taken intravenously (source). If you almost died from a single hit of LSD, either didn't and just thought you did, or your doctor said so to scare you out of drugs/because he was ignorant himself, or you have a serious underlying health issue that needs to be checked ASAP.

I read your report as a freak out due to bad choice of dosage and setting. If you, as you said yourself, are normally a very sensitive person and need a small amount to go a long way, why did you take a whole tab and not start with a smaller dose? Please take that into consideration next time. Also to be tripping with a boyfriend that you dont want him to know how high you are sounds like there are trust/communication issues there that need to be worked out before you get into such sensitive states with this person.

Also questions I wonder about is, do you have any previous psychiatric/psychological problems, and did you ever take LSD before? Did you have your heart rate checked previously? What is your resting heart rate normally and what is your heart rate after intense exercise? Do you have any pre-existing heart issue?

Lastly, what test kit did you have and what were the results?

I hope you dont take this as an offense, it's only natural people will question you when you make such strong claim without showing any evidence, a claim that goes against all scientific knowledge on a substance, in a forum that values reliable information and fact-checking. If you are mistaken then it's important to know because first of all it will help you in your possible future experiences, and will prevent you from spreading misinformation/mistaken conclusions about LSD. And if you are right and did almost die, then either you have a serious underlying health issue and this is a life-saving warning, or it wasn't LSD (so we need to look into the 'testing kit' you used and why it was a false positive), or it was indeed LSD and you had no underlying problems and there is some sort of pharmacological anomaly that appeared for the first time ever in your case. In this last case it would be a world's first, it would mean all pharmacological knowledge about LSD will have to be rewritten, which means it needs to be investigated very seriously so we can prevent this from happening in the future for other people. Either way, questioning and critical thinking are essential here.
 
So, it's not only one LSD tab that makes you almost dying, but also smoking on weed joint ?
This remind me of a friend whom I did have one night drinking his wiskey and smoking weed joints ( weed from Coffee shops ), and he also had like a "crisis". We decided to bring him to emergency hospital, cause he was scared to have an heart attack ( even if I was quite confident he would not die from smoking a joint with me ), he had some cardiac arythmia or something.

SO basically the problem is his weak heart which was a bit stressed, so, maybe, it's not the LSD or cannabis the real danger, but your own organs that are somewhat weak ( and if so, better not stress with substances that speed the heart rate ).
The friend is fine and am sure he did have other occasions to smoke since this time, but it's true, he has been really scared of dying from cannabis overdose ( which would rather have been died from heart disease ).

Did you do check up on the heart ?
Do you practice sport ?
Do you do any drugs at all or not ( besides the tab and joint that make you feel like dying ) ?
 
Lesson learned? One would hope.

From your "trip report", sounds like an awesome experience.

IMO, trip reports can be useful, to a point. Beyond that they become an exercise in mental masochism as well as sadism. HAVE the experience, "good or bad", then let it go. Integration comes in due time.

Additionally, plan for a an actual setting. Car, Giant Eagle?? Please!

Empathy? Sure. Sympathy? Not so much.

Peace
 
As other users have said :
You should really make sure that it is real LSD via test kit.
You may be abnormally sensitive to psychoactives (more specifically hallucinogens like cannabis and LSD)
You could have underlying health problems that were exacerbated by the stimulant effects of the "LSD" combined with the sensitive psychological state. Combining such an intense dose of "LSD" and Cannabis is sure to make anyone's heart beat faster.
Your doctor was probably just trying to scare you. You should ask him specifically why you were "near death".

Speaking from personal experience :

I'm glad you have learned your lesson. Everyone has had bad trips. Some are more profound than others.
It sounds like you were impacted on a very deep level by your experience.
I have had trips in which I thought I was dead or in a coma and just living in a dream.
They were so intense and convincing that I am often convinced I am still dead or in a coma.

I feel as though everyone has their own little delusions.
The trick is to view beliefs and ideas for what they are : a POINT OF VIEW. A way to explain your life and the world you experience.
Once you start to ground yourself from that basis, you can explore other ways to explain the world and live in it.
I suffer from delusional thoughts, anxiety, and paranoia.
The method above helps me to calm myself and center myself in the present moment.

Here is an example of a thought pattern :
-Sweeping up at work- -notice I missed a spot- -takes extra time to sweep spot-
-Hear voice inside head saying "Thank's so much man!"-
-Attribute it to being the voice of the spirit of a worker in the shift after me speaking backwards through time to thank me for sweeping up for him.-
Wow, I am insane...

As for the spirits calling you to leave your physical body to transcend into higher planes of ecstatic existence:
I definately wouldn't trust that, especially considering what you're risking.
You would literally be giving your precious life here on Earth based on some vivid perceived experiences you have.
Just because you had them and they are vivid doesn't validate them. We have things called imagination.
Sometimes our extra senses can lead us in the right direction, and sometimes not.
If you believe in spirits and higher planes then you shouldn't be so naieve as to listen to just any spirit and sacrifice your Earthly body.
It's much more likely that this life is a sort of test and if you pass then you transcend to a higher level.
I think the spirits you encountered may certainly be shapeshifting and misleading ill-willed spirits.
You are blessed with a spectacular chance at life here on this beautiful Earth!
Don't ever feel like you're alone. If you want someone to talk to, this is your best outlet.
We're all mad here. Don't let anyone fool you.
Most of the clean faces be the most dirty.
Please PM me if you feel you want to talk in private.
I'm sure I can relate to some of your experiences.
I wish you nothing but the best.
Maybe try taking up meditation and yoga in order to get a stable footing in this reality?
It's all in your head. Stay away from hallucinogens for a while :)
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Yeah I could see were you would think that and it was LSD I did have a test kit btw my boyfriend did 3 tabs and was fine. I was not irresponsible with this drug. I just have a low trip tolerance. I get almost the same trip when I smoke weed. I did almost die my heart rate was 150 beats a minute. That's not normal. So yeah I did almost died. I learned a lot from my trip and I wouldn't take it back. If you look it up LSD can make your heart rate go up just saying I did my research. You can think it's over dramatic I don't really care about that. But geez I almost died I don't know how to make that not sound dramatic. [/quote]

Just because your heart rate rises does not mean you almost died, you did not almost die. I am glad that the other nexians here agree that this type of over dramatisation can bring unwanted attention. As endlessness said, there are no recorded deaths caused by LSD when used by healthy and responsible people. If you had a heart attack, that would be reason to say you almost died.
And you make it sound like you almost die every time you smoke weed if weed causes almost the same trip. Pretty much none of these claims make sense.
 
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