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Does dmt really not give any answers?

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Lushi

Lushi

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I have seen some posts around here saying to people who are about to try dmt, that it will not give them any answers, but just create more questions? Is this necessarily the light in which it has to be seen?

I haven't tried dmt, but I did have a breakthrough, so I'm guessing we talk about the aspects of reality, and not specific aspects of dmt experience exclusively.

So, the thing is... If you find out that Life is eternal, that there is no ending or beginning, that all there is has always been and will always be (happening, existing), that Life is a complete, yet endless cycle, etc... Aren't those some answers actually?

When you come back to your normal self, you could possibly be "logical" about it again, and then questions and possibilities and incompatibilities arise again as before, and the knowledge gets lost somewhere in between, but all it takes is really to accept newly found concepts to have the answers.

Any thoughts on the possibility that the breakthrough really gives you the answers?

I'm relatively new here, so forgive any inadequacies in style or idea behind the question,

Thanks
 
IMO in some ways it can, but either way it still opens up a million more questions for me...I guess a lot of it depends on what one means by "answers" though

I've never really been into the whole "it gives all the anwsers" or "it only gives more questions" camp. Its a complicated and personal question and I don't think giving it a straight "either/or" left brained answer really does it justice. I will say that no matter if it provides answers, for me it still drives home the fact that we never really know anything for certain and that thinking you have absolute closure on something is often times a bad move.

I heard an analogy once that came to someone in an ayahuasca trip. They said think of human understanding as a sphere of light. As the sphere grows, the more darkness (ignorance) is revealed. The more you know, the more you know how truly, profoundly ignorant we are- or how little we really know. As the sphere of understanding grows, the amount of stuff we are still in the dark about grows ever larger

Either way I wouldn't over think it too much. Just have the experience for what it is
 
Define answers?
I would say no DMT does not give answers, but that people occaionally find answers while on dmt.

So, the thing is... If you find out that Life is eternal, that there is no ending or beginning, that all there is has always been and will always be (happening, existing), that Life is a complete, yet endless cycle, etc... Aren't those some answers actually?
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Are the meaningful outside of awe?
I mean, you still grow old, have to eat etc, so how are these kinds of answers useful? Maybe they change outlook, but that doesn't seem important or useful from my point of view?

I suppose it depends on what you want.

I only have interest for answers that I can use.
 
I would say that the notion that [the] DMT [experience] doesn't give any answers is a nice slogan, but I don't find it to be completely true in my experience. At times, DMT has a way of facilitating rather explicit demonstrations replete with narration that leaves little in the way of personal interpretation. Every now and then, it says what it means and means what it says. I suppose the conundrum may be that for every question it may answer, new possible questions can potentially pop up to hone in on a certain element of reality. Then there's also a few of the "unanswerable" questions that I would be doubtful if many at all ever end up attaining the answer such as "who are these entities/what is this place/and where does it all come from?" These kinds of questions can be so incredibly loaded that when all you get are riddles, it's not entirely surprising.
 
In the Amazon Ayahuasca is definatley used for divination. For anything as trivial as who stole my spear, to important work, like how do I remove this illness from this persons body.
It`s seems to be a matter of proficiency while under it`s influence. Ayahuasqero`s spend many years under the guidance of an elder shaman to aquire the proficiency, but at some stage the elder shaman will tell the apprentice they are now on their own, and must start to learn from the plants themselves. So they take dieta`s of many plants along with Ayahuasca, asking the mother of the plant for it`s wisdom, and the mother of the plant will tell them exactly what part of the plant to use, how to prepare it, what the dose is and what it can cure.

For us dabbling in this space it is different, we dont have the back up culturally. We can still receive answers, though they might not come as we expect them to. If, as an example we were to ask before taking DMT, "why am I depressed?", we might be shown a good reason why we should be grateful for everything we have in life. On our return it is still up to us to remember and apply what we were shown, or of course we can choose to ignore the lesson and go on living in the same old fashion.
 
Today I asked my DMT to give me answers. It said " you know it already, you've seen it all before, you will forget it all again anyway so whats the point. Live and enjoy yourself"
 
the problem is that no answers are going to come to you so long as your mindset and perception of the world are inproper, and by improper i mean that so long as your ego remains a part of the equation anything you see is a reflection of yourself.

any time you see an entity it is a representation of you, it is literally a spontaniously awakened aspect of your being, they may be nice and seem very helpful but by definition they are "demons" (A persistently tormenting person[entity], force, or passion) who through guise or charms or horror are trying to distract you, they always take on forms of joy sorrow or anger, but in the end they have to be pacified.

the reason i bring up the above, their are plenty of answers to be found, but most of them are about problems directly related to yourself, until you deal with your own fears and inhibition your not going to be able to see beyond yourself, and any time you see a creature, that is a representation of your own being, they have to be calmed down otherwise they are very distracting.

now after that comes a whole load of other things, geometric patterns, little glimmers of treasure, offering to stop you and to hold you back and the reason why is very real, because the realization you will make is a terrible one.

once you push through all the questions at the end you find that their are no answers, their never were, we lack the frame work to understand them, this is crippling to truely realize that we know nothing, to feel it reverberate in ever strand of your being that we know nothing and that we have as much understanding as a newborn baby, their is a good reason your body and mind do everything they can to protect you from than, for most people it destroys them outright, they recoil at this realization and they go mad.

but it is in this helplessness, if you endure the vacuum that you can then reform yourself and see who you are in the emptyness, through this action you recreate yourself, you realize that compassion for yourself is the same as compassion for others and by acting on this premise you find that in recreating yourself, you can create your own paradise within yourself, thus their is no more reason to seek anything in the material world beyond the basic needs of your body, everything you need is inside you.

thats the answer, and i beg you please do not take what i say at face value, go to the end of the road yourself and see, it is bueatiful but it is also very painful trip, the answer though is simple.

anything i do reflects upon myself, thus i am a reflection of the universe because aspects of me exist elsewhere and elsewhere i can find aspects of myself in others.

you have to treat others with the same reverence and compassion that you do yourself, weither it is a human a plant or a rock, if you kill something you must honor its passing, even your own excrement was once a part of you, you have to give it the same respect as if it was a limb or a parent because it was at one point a part of you, you may not mourn its passing, but you cannot have a difference in consideration between yourself and any other thing that exists.

and just to make clear im not saying we should put a social system of equal distribution, others will consider you at the level they consider themselves, your perceptions and their will not be the same, and seeking to find another who agrees with you may serve to have children, but it will not serve to impose those agreements upon others, because the moment you impose and control others is the moment another of those entities will appear in their mind and if your sorrounded by demons in your own head, how long will it be before you lash out at them and then lash out at another and another, and before long they may lash out at those who put the entity in their mind in the first place.

some will live, some will die, those who are unable to deal with their own demons can be shown the door but they have to walk through it themselves.

and thus we get to the final answer, in the end, weither now as you read this or on your death bed once you close your eyes, you will be alone walking through that door, unless you come to terms with that vacume, finding their are no answers other than those derived in the silence of the void of all other stimulis by yourself, then you will be destroyed by your own fears and confusion and desires in your final thoughts, rather than find peace in your passing into death.

sorry if this is long winded, but i wanted to give a as solid of an explaination as i could form in a half hour, thank you if your read this far, your very patient, i beg you question everything i have said, and if you find fault in it let me know, it is the only way i have to learn.

thank you.
 
anonenium said:
any time you see an entity it is a representation of you, it is literally a spontaniously awakened aspect of your being, they may be nice and seem very helpful but by definition they are "demons" (A persistently tormenting person[entity], force, or passion) who through guise or charms or horror are trying to distract you, they always take on forms of joy sorrow or anger, but in the end they have to be pacified.
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Where is a statement like this coming from? You say that "by definition they are demons" yet I see no matching definition among the many given in the dictionary, so I question which source you are using to arrive at such conclusions or if you have fabricated it to aid your narrative? I'm suspending disagreement with you, I'm just curious where this is coming from.
 
I can say from my exp, that smoking does not give any answers it doesn't work like that, not for me anyway. The problems and world you live in here just doesn't matter up there nor do the beings care what you want. You enjoy the realm and whatever comes your way.

I never go in looking for help from the molecule, I'm just grateful to be in its presence asking it for more seems selfish..
 
Global said:
anonenium said:
any time you see an entity it is a representation of you, it is literally a spontaniously awakened aspect of your being, they may be nice and seem very helpful but by definition they are "demons" (A persistently tormenting person[entity], force, or passion) who through guise or charms or horror are trying to distract you, they always take on forms of joy sorrow or anger, but in the end they have to be pacified.
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Where is a statement like this coming from? You say that "by definition they are demons" yet I see no matching definition among the many given in the dictionary, so I question which source you are using to arrive at such conclusions or if you have fabricated it to aid your narrative? I'm suspending disagreement with you, I'm just curious where this is coming from.
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i understand your hesitation completely, let me try to explain this better.

first the definition i pulled was from here

www.thefreedictionary.com

demon-

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of demon- by The Free Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com www.thefreedictionary.com

demon is the best english word i can use, jinn is another good example, but that term is foreign in context to most english speakers and their is a great deal of difference between.

they are represntations of yourself, your emotions, your fears, your passions, they serve to remind you of your body, to hold you back, but above all else they apear as a distraction, that is their sole purpose, either to scare you, entertain you or tempt you, or remind you of past pains and obligations so as to keep you from finding the answers (of which their is none, and that realization can be devistating).

the problem is that these ideas by nature are ineffable, so i am trying to fit my narative with the best words i can find, the source is myself because in my experience that is all the entities have done, im not saying their good or bad (despite the conintations "demon" has in the english language) merely that the all serve the same purpose, to distract you.

that being said despite this being derived from my own opinions, i would be dumbfounded if no one has come to this conclusion before.

the ultimate answer is that all of the universe is within you and that their is nothing else beyond that we can perscieve, thorugh this we are alone, and yet despite this fact within you lies all the compassion and majesty of the universe, through this you must treat all things, including yourself, the exact same reguardless of outside actions because inheirently their is no difference other than the choices you make and the perceptions you gather based upon those choices.

to this effect you must help yourself to the most basic of your needs, and help others so long as you do not take from another and limit their choices, an inheirent part of this is making mistakes, and doing bad things, but no matter how terrible of a person you may encounter you cannot treat them any different then you treat yourself, no matter what they have done in their choices.

the demons, the jinn, the entities, are derived from your choices, manifested as aspects of yourself and act to compel you to their motives, weither good or ill but any motive they have is be definition a distraction because nothing they try to do is relivant, with the exception of the manifested representation of your own body, without which you cannot interact with this world.

i dont know if i made this any clearer but their is no source for this other than my own experiences and my attempts to strap words to things i struggle to even comprehend as im saying or experiencing them sometimes, please forgive me if i made it any more confusing, but in the end their is no answer except what you make for yourself, so make it as good as you can reguardless of who you help, yourself or others, and show everything, even rocks or bug the respect you show yourself, yes you may hurt others, but it should never be by intention and you can always aknolwedge them in the same way you aknolwedge yourself.

thank you.
 
I would say if you go in looking for answers you prolly won't find what your looking for. But as it was said before that it just shows how uncertain everything is. Who knows maybe when we die some god or entity will punish us and say that we were trespassing on forbidden ground( tree of knowledge maybe) by dabbling with psychedelics. Hopefully not
 
Wouldn't being given better questions be better than answers to questions one thinks are important. I've noticed a lot of prophet mentality in the visionary plant community of late. So many of us in the west want to be seen as a kind of authoity on this that or the other thing. We want to go out far and come back with something deep and profound to share, not because we want help others but because we want to do the helping. When I trip its not for answers, its to experience that oneness. God I will never forget a mushroom trip where I felt eternity. I would fuck it up were I to try and describe it. I would give up all the answers in the world to just get back to that spot and sit and love and be loved.
 
Lushi said:
I haven't tried dmt, but I did have a breakthrough, so I'm guessing we talk about the aspects of reality, and not specific aspects of dmt experience exclusively.
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Sorry to go off tack, but what exactly did you breakthrough on/with? Meditation? :shock:
 
I've only had one experience where I felt DMT gave me answers. And that's when I started looking at it introspectively. I basically believe that everything that occurs to me during my experience is completely set off from my brain interacting with the drug. /I/ create everything I see. /I/ choose what I'm going to see, sort of. I don't say, "Hey, Spirit Molecule, let's go to Greece today," and bam it happens. But whatever I do see, It's already just me. My brain is creating my visuals, not something far away.
 
Well, it is not necessary to focus on answers, I think. In many ocassions it is actually a problem to formulate questions properly, don't you think so?
To me it just showed that I'm not who\what I thought I was:). This is definitely an answer. However, I did not ask for it.:)

All in all, I believe "questions\answers" is a naive approach with psychodelics. And it can actually be harmful, because most probably you will not get the type of answer you are looking for.
 
Thanks for all the answers, I took me a while to read through all of it. All I can say and be as true as I can whilst doing so, is that I understand/agree with, with most of what you say. Sometimes I wonder are discussions like this one actually anything but just a logical, argumentation, philosophical - exercises.

Any statement I would make would be defining of ME, and it's hard to be yourself, knowing that so many other MEs are around with really valid-sounding argumentation skills :d



uz1l0v3r said:
Lushi said:
I haven't tried dmt, but I did have a breakthrough, so I'm guessing we talk about the aspects of reality, and not specific aspects of dmt experience exclusively.
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Sorry to go off tack, but what exactly did you breakthrough on/with? Meditation? :shock:
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It was Morning Glory seeds, they took me by surprise.
 
Lushi said:
Thanks for all the answers, I took me a while to read through all of it. All I can say and be as true as I can whilst doing so, is that I understand/agree with, with most of what you say. Sometimes I wonder are discussions like this one actually anything but just a logical, argumentation, philosophical - exercises.

Any statement I would make would be defining of ME, and it's hard to be yourself, knowing that so many other MEs are around with really valid-sounding argumentation skills :d



uz1l0v3r said:
Lushi said:
I haven't tried dmt, but I did have a breakthrough, so I'm guessing we talk about the aspects of reality, and not specific aspects of dmt experience exclusively.
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Sorry to go off tack, but what exactly did you breakthrough on/with? Meditation? :shock:
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It was Morning Glory seeds, they took me by surprise.
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your welcome.

it many ways all of life is a logical argument, i think you will find a number of answers, but they will crop up even more questions, but if you push through all of it your going to find that behind the viel all that exists is yourself alone without anything else in the void, and when you finally get to that place, alone with your own mind turning in on itself and only able to sense itself, that is the only point where you can begin to ask questions, the problem is that you rarely have anything to ask once you get there because your day to day problems kind of lose significance.

that said dont let it stop you, finally being able to see who you are with out the deception of your sences clouding your perception is an amazing (and terrifying) thing, but the entites, the fractals, the manifestations that spawn to existence in front of you, they are distractions, appease them, ignore them or tell them to leave but never expect to give you real answers, sure they may sound great, but just as their is no royal road to geometry, their is no royal road to you self, anything they offer will come at a price and that price can be a very terrible one (look at all those people who make sacrifces in the name of idolitry).

the only answers you will find of true meaning will be those you raught yourself without any help and through pure determination and effort and its only after you do it yourself that you can recognize it in others. it may look like a duck and squak like a duck, but if someone or something is offering it to you for a price, for all you know it may be a bagpipe stuffed and covered with feathers.

so stay clear of the entities and fractals and good luck.
 
universecannon said:
I heard an analogy once that came to someone in an ayahuasca trip. They said think of human understanding as a sphere of light. As the sphere grows, the more darkness (ignorance) is revealed. The more you know, the more you know how truly, profoundly ignorant we are- or how little we really know. As the sphere of understanding grows, the amount of stuff we are still in the dark about grows ever larger
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I had to pause an think about that but then I got it and it made a lot of sense.

In other words, by venturing in to the dark (unknown) you find out how deep things like the universe and your ignorance of it really go.

Global said:
"who are these entities/what is this place/and where does it all come from?" These kinds of questions can be so incredibly loaded that when all you get are riddles, it's not entirely surprising.
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That is the prime theme of all my trips. Manifested conceptual riddles in pre-thought about the nature of existence, presented in an almost childish, giddy manner that hints at the novelty of never knowing anything for sure.
 
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