Does Salvia Cancel Out DMT?

[Apoc]

HELLO! I was wondering if anyone out there has ever tried salvia and spice together? It seems like it would be easy enough to be on aya and smoke some salvia. But I would be reluctant to try it because I wonder if salvia would kill the spice trip altogether. Ayahuasca / dmt seem to have an effect on the person where everything has meaning, everything is wonderous and fantastic. Salvia on the other hand, seems to do the exact opposite. Salvia produces states of emotional flatness, or worse. I don't know what the combination of the two would be like.

So, has anyone ever tried....

- smoking salvia on ayhuasca
- smoking dmt with salvia changa?
- smoking dmt after taking sublingual salvia?
- sublingual salvia with ayahuasca?

What was the experience like? Do these plants have good synergy?

 

[Metanoia]

It's a combination I'm extremely interested in as well. I plan on making some Salvia changa with just plain Salvia leaf + spice. I also recall r0m speaking rather highly of Salvia + spice. I don't see why they would cancel each other out necessarily. gibran put it more eloquently than I can, but it was along the lines of DMT showing you the immaterial while Salvia shows you the material. Or non-physical and physical. I don't do his words justice, but I see it as a ying to the yang. They might compliment each other rather nicely if you got the dose just right.

 

[gibran2]

I once took salvia during the come-down from vaporized DMT. It was very nice. It was a “normal” salvia experience, but with the brightness and clarity of a DMT experience. I also seemed to remember it much more easily.

I’ve never tried salvia before or during DMT.

 

[soulfood]

I've made a 5x salvia leaf I'm planning to infuse. 1 part of this leaf with 1 part 5x caapi : 2 parts DMT.

The very thought's making me nervous, but it has to be done

 

[rOm]

I don't feel that salvia cancel dmt at all.
It's quite the opposite they seem to work out well together.
My best changa blends were made with salvia or salvinorin a as main addition after the harmalas.

However I have never tried smoking salvia/salvinorin while on pharma/aya, nor sublingual salvia and smoking changa or straight spice.
there is a lot of sublingual extract I can experiement with and one of my combo-to-test was that of pharmahuasca (rue alcaloids and spice) then sublingual salvia while picking.

It does sound very appealing to me.
However sublingual salvia extract show me immaterial rather than material that smoked salvia extract can show me.
The mix feels very safe so go ahead if you wish to experiment.

Please report back !

 

[physics envy]

I have done a good salvia/spice combo three times…including once last night

My method has been to smoke a bowl or two of plain leaf Salvia first. Then, as big of a hit as I can get of vaporized spice (out of a pipe with the spice melted into several screens).

This method has always propelled me very quickly. I get to a count of about ‘8’ before I have to let go of control of my body…blow it out…and get shot out of the cannon!

For me, while the overall aspects of the trip are salvia-like, this combo has a great synergy. These experiences have been very similar to each other, and are different from all of my salvia-only (plain or extract) or spice-only trips.

They are also VERY energetic for me. They tend to be ‘screamers’ as when I come down, I tend to SCREAM from the bottom of my gut (it felt like from a different dimension actually) as loud and hard and long as I can ‘AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH’ - and generally somewhat high pitched. During the trip, those explosions tend to propel me along a tube or some path. (One time that path was the underside of a rear bicycle wheel cover...lol!) I will do this a few times usually – sometimes laughing at the absurdity and euphoric feeling it gives (last night pilotsimone was laughing along with me :lol: ) I also do a lot of body movements and grunting as the energy works through me after the rush. I don't have any screaming or grunting or body movements from breakthrough doses of salvia alone. So for me I can feel the effects of both pretty well.

Currently spice tends to be less visual than a while ago, and the addition of salvia did not change that aspect last night. But the previous time I did the combo, I was having very visual spice journeys. That time, the salvia made the visuals more like dreams or more ‘3d’ and solid than typical hyperspace.

The downside to this method is the salvia could kick in a little too hard, so I would highly recommend a sitter. It hit me harder than expected last night and after the second bowl I couldn't hold the spice pipe and inhale, let alone handle a lighter. I had to lie back and let the salvia run its course for a few minutes. However, I was then I was able to take in a bigger-than-normal spice hit :d

Good luck with whatever method(s) you try, and let us know how it goes!

 

[MySmelf]

I haven't done Aya yet but I've made salvia changa a number of times. I highly recommend it. They have a great synergy. I usually go a bit heavier on the DMT.

 

[Shayku]

How would you describe the mix, MySmelf?

 

[jacetea]

smoking dmt after taking sublingual salvia?

Blew my mind.

Taking salvia sublingually and then smoking DMT produced the most chaotic results for me. It was thoroughly enjoyable but it was a roller coaster.

Basically I did salvia until I had a very relaxed almost meditative state going on. There were familiar elements of a smoked salvia experience starting to come on. I then spit it out, took some non-extract salvia leaf and used that as a leaf bed for my bong. I loaded a large dose of DMT (about 70mg) and blasted off.

The best way I would describe it is, effects from both salvia and DMT occuring at different intervals. For me, salvia produces weird "alice in wonderland"-like hallucinations. DMT is more of a state of mind and you travel to some inexplicable beautiful dimension. The effect was like combining the two into one crazy ride.

I wouldn't recommend doing it more than once. Something like that could easily mess your head, it's just too much for me. Personally, ego loss seemed harder to achieve when combining the two...If that's what you're looking for.

 

[burningmouth]

Ayahuasca / dmt seem to have an effect on the person where everything has meaning, everything is wonderous and fantastic. Salvia on the other hand, seems to do the exact opposite. Salvia produces states of emotional flatness, or worse.

WHHHAAAAATTTTTTTTT ???
I've never tried DMT, but the OP is interesting. For me salvia has meaning, everything is wondrous and fantastic.

 

[gibran2]

Ayahuasca / dmt seem to have an effect on the person where everything has meaning, everything is wonderous and fantastic. Salvia on the other hand, seems to do the exact opposite. Salvia produces states of emotional flatness, or worse.

WHHHAAAAATTTTTTTTT ???
I've never tried DMT, but the OP is interesting. For me salvia has meaning, everything is wondrous and fantastic.

I would suggest you try DMT! As wondrous and fantastic as salvia can be, DMT can go so much deeper. Salvia takes me to other worlds, but DMT takes me to an eternal immaterial realm beyond all worlds, beyond space and time, beyond life and death.

 

[Apoc]

Ayahuasca / dmt seem to have an effect on the person where everything has meaning, everything is wonderous and fantastic. Salvia on the other hand, seems to do the exact opposite. Salvia produces states of emotional flatness, or worse.

WHHHAAAAATTTTTTTTT ???
I've never tried DMT, but the OP is interesting. For me salvia has meaning, everything is wondrous and fantastic.

For smoked salvia, it is usually only the post trip in which I appreciate the amazing events that just transpired. During the trip, I often have a sense that the universe just Rick Roll'd me..... I encounter a mocking voice that says my life is meaningless, that nothing matters, and I'm the only one here. I have found salvia to be an existential bad dream. But, after it's over, my mind scrambles to find positive meaning in the experience and marvel at how fascinating the experience was.... and yes the world does have a good glow after. Or, other times I'll have a salvia smoke and nothing interesting happens at all. I just feel like I got rolled up, then it's over, and I'm left thinking, "well, that was pointless. I probably won't do that for a long time". Only occasionally salvia seems to hit hard. Sublingual salvia is a nice experience every time.

 

[MySmelf]

Salvia changa is a very unique experience that can blur the boundaries between the effects of salvia and DMT (if you balance the mixture well). It feels a bit more shroomy than DMTish. Once I watched an impossible hyperspace object get pulled into my living room and float across the ceiling as rivers of sparkling energy flowed into it. I just sat there stunned with my jaw hanging open, it looked soo real!

Ayahuasca / dmt seem to have an effect on the person where everything has meaning, everything is wonderous and fantastic. Salvia on the other hand, seems to do the exact opposite. Salvia produces states of emotional flatness, or worse.

WHHHAAAAATTTTTTTTT ???
I've never tried DMT, but the OP is interesting. For me salvia has meaning, everything is wondrous and fantastic.

I would suggest you try DMT! As wondrous and fantastic as salvia can be, DMT can go so much deeper. Salvia takes me to other worlds, but DMT takes me to an eternal immaterial realm beyond all worlds, beyond space and time, beyond life and death.

I've gone just as far with Salvia, past all the worlds, to a place of fluid eternal bliss. Its not easy with Salvia, you have to push it. I smoke several bowls increasing potency. I'll start off with a couple bowls of plain leaf or 5x and increase it to 10x, then 15x and 20x. I call this "snorkeling". I usually get to a point where I have to let go completely and separate from the "machine". I'll then fall or rise out of all space and time, out of all lives and worlds. Until as I move all existence moves.

I've only been able to get that far twice. Most of the time its pretty confusing and I don't realize I'm tripping until I'm coming down.

 

[gibran2]

Salvia changa is a very unique experience that can blur the boundaries between the effects of salvia and DMT (if you balance the mixture well). It feels a bit more shroomy than DMTish. Once I watched an impossible hyperspace object get pulled into my living room and float across the ceiling as rivers of sparkling energy flowed into it. I just sat there stunned with my jaw hanging open, it looked soo real!

Plain leaf salvia or an extract?

I've gone just as far with Salvia, past all the worlds, to a place of fluid eternal bliss. Its not easy with Salvia, you have to push it. I smoke several bowls increasing potency. I'll start off with a couple bowls of plain leaf or 5x and increase it to 10x, then 15x and 20x. I call this "snorkeling". I usually get to a point where I have to let go completely and separate from the "machine". I'll then fall or rise out of all space and time, out of all lives and worlds. Until as I move all existence moves.

I've only been able to get that far twice. Most of the time its pretty confusing and I don't realize I'm tripping until I'm coming down.

I can’t go that far with salvia. Well, I can, but at doses that high, I usually have complete amnesia.

 

[MySmelf]

Salvia changa is a very unique experience that can blur the boundaries between the effects of salvia and DMT (if you balance the mixture well). It feels a bit more shroomy than DMTish. Once I watched an impossible hyperspace object get pulled into my living room and float across the ceiling as rivers of sparkling energy flowed into it. I just sat there stunned with my jaw hanging open, it looked soo real!

Plain leaf salvia or an extract?

I find 5x works well but I've also like plain leaf for a milder effect. I've used 10x in it before with nice results but with less leaf.

I've gone just as far with Salvia, past all the worlds, to a place of fluid eternal bliss. Its not easy with Salvia, you have to push it. I smoke several bowls increasing potency. I'll start off with a couple bowls of plain leaf or 5x and increase it to 10x, then 15x and 20x. I call this "snorkeling". I usually get to a point where I have to let go completely and separate from the "machine". I'll then fall or rise out of all space and time, out of all lives and worlds. Until as I move all existence moves.

I've only been able to get that far twice. Most of the time its pretty confusing and I don't realize I'm tripping until I'm coming down.

I can’t go that far with salvia. Well, I can, but at doses that high, I usually have complete amnesia.

Thats why I build up the dose over time by "snorkeling". If I start off with 15x or 20x I usually have amnesia too. Also I never smoke more than a pinch of 15x or 20x at a time.

 

[Metanoia]

I still have yet to reach a full breakthrough with The Spice, but I have to agree with MySmelf and burningmouth. Salvia can take me there, and "snorkeling" is a good description of the way it's done. I call it "preloading". Start with plain leaf and then increase to stronger extracts. It is hard to do, though, as MySmelf says. It starts to get confusing and sometimes you end up with that silly staring, as I call it. Staring off randomly, like you're day-dreaming That's why I keep my eyes closed, because if I leave them open, that almost always happens. The staring can be fun, but it doesn't help you go deeper.

I still have some important work to do with Salvia before I go that far with DMT.

 

[acolon_5]

smoking dmt after taking sublingual salvia?

Yes, I have, and while my experience is probably not the norm, I can say that I will NEVER do this combination again.

I believe my experience was under the title DMT and SKA PASTORA fight in my mind.

It was a whirlwind of chaos, and a feeling of venom in my veins. Heat, prickles, and everything being red and green. Like an experimental film of two gods fighting in a psycadelic realm. Not just a hard experience, but possibly THE most uncomfortable experience of my life.

Please note: this was the day after a very nice oral experience with about an ounce of salvia leaf chewed slowly over the course of an hour.

 

[Entropymancer]

Acolon, I thought that experience (the spirits of salvia and DMT doing battle) was from a Nexus user, but recently I was reading D.M. Turner's Salvinorin book and he describes the exact same experience... made me second-guess my memory :lol:. So apparently while your experience might not be typical, it's not an isolated case either.

 

[Rising Spirit]

I've gone just as far with Salvia, past all the worlds, to a place of fluid eternal bliss. Its not easy with Salvia, you have to push it. I smoke several bowls increasing potency. I'll start off with a couple bowls of plain leaf or 5x and increase it to 10x, then 15x and 20x. I call this "snorkeling". I usually get to a point where I have to let go completely and separate from the "machine". I'll then fall or rise out of all space and time, out of all lives and worlds. Until as I move all existence moves. I've only been able to get that far twice. Most of the time its pretty confusing and I don't realize I'm tripping until I'm coming down.

Agreed. I used to maintain that Salvinorin A did not possess the juice to fully activate the crown or open perception to the Grid. I've been pleasantly surprised how wrong this idea was! I did finally experience Nirvikalpa Samadhi (Divine Rapture) which looping through the Salvia Universe[/i]. Well, the I/me/mine which is the customary witness to my subjective awareness. So, whichever version of myself that inhabits the Salvia Universe... had the experience of 'enlightenment'.

So, the Salvianauts can actually experience immersion with the indivisibility of the Divine, traveling within the ritual journey of this Sacred Medicine. My previous assessment was premature, to say the very least. Reverse tolerance or maybe just getting acclimated to the looping, dissociative effects? My last three voyages within the Salvinorin Seas, I had extremely spiritual experiences. I saw the light in the center of the Salvia cyclone and it completely consumed me. Yes, it is much more difficult to reach the silent emptiness of the Void, to merge with the bliss of the Omniself... than with Spice, LSD, Mesc or P. mushrooms.

It is very, very similar to awakening in a lucid dreaming state and attempting to meditate into a higher plane of awareness. That being said, it can absolutely be done with concentration and an unswerving focus. I believe that while Salvia Divinorum tends to rip the subjectivity of it's witness into teeny-tiny bits of pulsing, multicolored confetti... it's capacity to shatter the ego and hog-tie the mind, it is very useful in the pursuit of merging with the Spirit.

I think that personally... I would opt to use DMT and Salvia separately, since they are each such very powerful teachers. I certainly can see how DMT could influence the Salvia high and even give it a more spiritual direction. Even so, I cannot imagine how their effects would blend seamlessly together. Perhaps it would indeed seem like a battle between immortal 'psychedelic gods'. Although, this too, may be a premature assessment? I do rather like the idea of Salvia Changa. Life is a looooooong song, so maybe one day I will find out?