Salvia glutinosa

[xa]

Hi,
On the road to my house griw wild Salvia Glutinosa, it's flowering now, i read about the possibility of active alcaloid and since it's wild an very accessible i would like to perform a basic extraction....what tek can be more simple for that ?

 

[Transform]

Hi,
On the road to my house griw wild Salvia Glutinosa, it's flowering now, i read about the possibility of active alcaloid and since it's wild an very accessible i would like to perform a basic extraction....what tek can be more simple for that ?

It's not an alkaloid, it's an oxygenated diterpenoid by the name of salvinorin A that's the molecule of interest, along with salvinorin B, perhaps.

This substance does not require base in its extraction; in fact that would be counterproductive.

There are typically only fairly low levels of salvinorin A in this plant. I've obtained mild effects by chewing wads of the leaves just like with Salvia divinorum, although this was somewhat tedious since the leaves are quite hairy, in contrast to the hojas de la Pastora.

There is a simple salvinorin extraction method, which involves briefly rinsing dried leaves in freezer-cold acetone, followed by a few more or less optional cleanup steps. Isolated salvinorin A is no thing to be trifled with, as it is probably the single most potent (and maybe terrifying…) natural psychoactive substance on the planet, active in sub-milligram doses.

I'd strongly suggest you read up on our salvia information, to be found in this very subforum, before attempting to make concentrated extracts of this plant.

Chewing a few leaves will be fine, if you can be sure that they're clean, of course.

 

[xa]

Thanks,
I'm more interested in a oral use of salvia (divinorium), i used to smoke many years ago and i know how can be.
Never try the oral route and if im not wrong was the only method to use it.
Here it's strongly illegal....

Anyway is just beautiful for me to have sone potential plants wild in my area that i think it's a pitty to ignire them, every summer i drive this riad and look at this plants.

Maybe in future i try to get a divinorium plant to try to grow....in meanwhile i would like to explore this glutinosa.

But, i can be safe to try it ? There's potential risk of others substance in the plant ?

 

[xa]

If i would like to try, how many leaf i can chew ? There's a sort of base dosage of this plant ?

 

[doubledog]

Try to extract flowering stems, they have some nice looking trichomes

 

[xa]

Try to extract flowering stems, they have some nice looking trichomes

It's the most active part of the plant ?

 

[Transform]

Thanks,
I'm more interested in a oral use of salvia (divinorium), i used to smoke many years ago and i know how can be.
Never try the oral route and if im not wrong was the only method to use it.
Here it's strongly illegal....

Anyway is just beautiful for me to have sone potential plants wild in my area that i think it's a pitty to ignire them, every summer i drive this riad and look at this plants.

Maybe in future i try to get a divinorium plant to try to grow....in meanwhile i would like to explore this glutinosa.

But, i can be safe to try it ? There's potential risk of others substance in the plant ?

The only adverse effect I've noted from chewing glutinosa leaves is mild throat irritation from the hairs. I'd also advise finding a patch a bit further from the road, especially if there's more traffic than just your own vehicle.

Did you see the salvia extraction thread pinned at the top of this subforum? It's probably worth trying if you're able to harvest, say, a kilo of leaves and dry them effectively.

If i would like to try, how many leaf i can chew ? There's a sort of base dosage of this plant ?

I got subthreshold effects from chewing about five pairs of leaves.

Try to extract flowering stems, they have some nice looking trichomes

They're sticky and stinky like good weed, too! I've often thought about trying them out in various ways.

It's the most active part of the plant ?

This hypothesis seems well worth testing. I'm not sure if there are any published analyses comparing the different plant parts of S. glutinosa for their salvinorin/terpenoid content. A quick search would help point us in the right direction here.

 

[xa]

So if i would like to try an extraction should harvest ? 100 gr ? 1000 gr ?

 

[doubledog]

It's the most active part of the plant ?

I don't know for sure, but I assume so.

They're sticky and stinky like good weed, too! I've often thought about trying them out in various ways.

It's possible to produce some kind of charas with great scent from it.

What I would do is to collect lot of these flowering stems and wash them with acetone, evaporate it and then maybe try to purify it with some other solvent.
But chewing the extract could face a problem with bioavailability through sublingual. Lot of room for experiments.

 

[xa]

I'm more inclined to sublingual, make and extract, with some standard tek abd prepare a tincture to try ?

 

[doubledog]

Acetone extraction of salvinorin

 

[Transform]

I'm more inclined to sublingual, make and extract, with some standard tek abd prepare a tincture to try ?

Yeah, well… there's the standard acetone extract, but as doubledog says, turning that into a viably effective sublingual preparation would be something of an experimental journey.

The work of @Zebbie should be able to guide you in this, as well as the aforementioned Twig Harper.

Bear in mind that there's little if any recorded use of this plant, so you may be facing unforeseen risks.

 

[xa]

Yeah, well… there's the standard acetone extract, but as doubledog says, turning that into a viably effective sublingual preparation would be something of an experimental journey.

The work of @Zebbie should be able to guide you in this, as well as the aforementioned Twig Harper.

Bear in mind that there's little if any recorded use of this plant, so you may be facing unforeseen risks.

So maybe i can start to chew some leaf....

 

[Transform]

So maybe i can start to chew some leaf....

It certainly looks like the path of least resistance at present. You might want to try a few flowering spikes for comparison.

It's possible to produce some kind of charas with great scent from it.

Is this something you've tried? Insider knowledge would be greatly appreciated, lest one go too far in contemplating the ethical aspects of subcontracting a suitable maiden upon whose thigh the plant material ought to be rolled, in the interests of authenticity.

 

[doubledog]

Yes, I indeed try it. Few years ago I found out that S. Glutinosa could contain salvinorin and more importantly, that it grows here with abundance.
So I tried to collect some stems with flowers and doing that I realized that some "charas" material sticked to my hands.
But I did not proceed further with processing.

 

[Transform]

Yes, I indeed try it. Few years ago I found out that S. Glutinosa could contain salvinorin and more importantly, that it grows here with abundance.
So I tried to collect some stems with flowers and doing that I realized that some "charas" material sticked to my hands.
But I did not proceed further with processing.

But did you get as far as scraping some of the resin into a pipe and giving it a quick blast? Mine are flowering now, so I guess I know where the onus lies…

 

[doubledog]

No, I did not try to smoke it, it was too sticky, much more than cannabis charas. But main reason was that salvinorin is not great when inhaled. I tried to chew a little bit of it, without any effects.

 

[Transform]

No, I did not try to smoke it, it was too sticky, much more than cannabis charas. But main reason was that salvinorin is not great when inhaled. I tried to chew a little bit of it, without any effects.

Hm, maybe it would be soluble in PG, though… but it also sounds like the sal-A content might be negligible. Do you recall the time of day you harvested it? I tend to harvest at dusk, mostly because that's when I'm most likely to use the fresh leaves directly.

 

[xa]

Salvia Divinorium, everyone use the leaf right ? I will try with them also in others species....

 

[Transform]

Salvia Divinorium, everyone use the leaf right ? I will try with them also in others species....

You'll find a list of species which contain salA if you have a bit of a search. Some other salvia species have interesting properties, particularly S. nemorosa, and this is from substances other than salA in most cases.