Dosage and technique recommendations for a first-timer

[reun]

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum, and today I tried DMT for the first time. I'm looking for advice on how to get more out of my future trips.

For context, I extracted freebase DMT, I mixed 500 mg of it with about 0.5 mL of a mixture of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine. My PG:VG mix was 4:1 and I mixed the result 1:1 with melted DMT before loading into a vape. I have a Yocan Uni Pro vape, I used a 2.4 volt setting, and I made sure to pre-heat the cartridge.

I asked a friend to trip sit me for my first journey and I divided it into 2 stages. First I wanted to just get a taste of it with a 2 5-second pulls. I immediately felt dreamy, I felt like I could light trails from moving my head, I also noticed that everything in my peripherals began to melt. I was looking at an unassuming plant right in front of me and it quickly began to look somewhat unrecognisable. I felt like something significant was happening. I also felt almost spellbound to not speak or move. I don't know if I actually had it in me to speak, but I felt like I must not. And I felt... love. I had this profound sense that love is the ultimate force of nature, love is the reason absolutely anything exists, love is the ultimate creator. Then the experience ended.

This first attempt helped me calm my nerves. I felt like I got a little bit of a feel for the substance. I was awfully nervous the night before, so I needed this confidence boost.

45 minutes later, I had another attempt. This time I tried to go as far as I could. But it was not easy. I took my first hit and held the smoke in the lungs for 5 seconds. I released it over 2 seconds or so. I repeated the process once more. On the 3rd time, I found it very difficult not to cough, so I could not take as big of an inhale nor could I hold it in much longer. I ended up taking about 4 short puffs and that was about it. I ended up experiencing something similar to my first attempt, but to a greater extent. This time I was looking out my apartment window towards the city skyline, and all buildings began to sorta deconstruct into abstract layers. Again, I felt like something significant was happening. I felt connected to the universe. But that was it.

To be honest, if that was everything that DMT could offer, I would be pretty happy -- it was a beautiful experience. However, I understand that I haven't even scratched the surface. I would like to go much deeper next time -- ideally, I'd like to break through, but even getting a deeper threshold experience would be great. And this is where I would love to get your help.

I understand there are several variables involved:

• DMT : PG ratios: I followed a video that recommended trying ratios of 1:1 to 1:3 where there'd be 3 times more DMT than PG/VG mixture, which would make it easier to break through, but it would also probably make it harder to smoke, not to mention that it would be harder to manage, since DMT would probably recrystalise inside the cartridge periodically
• Voltage: I used 2.4V, but maybe I should go higher -- would love to hear what you can tell me about that
• Inhalation: This is a hard one, but I think it matters a lot. I noticed that as soon as I started smoking, my heart started racing like crazy -- I guess I was just nervous, but it made it hard to consistently inhale. I'm also not sure how to manage the harsh smoke here. Any tips would be highly appreciated

Perhaps there are other considerations here. If you have any tips that could help me get more out of my future experiences, I would love to hear it!

Thank you so much

 

[unisonruss1285]

I've heard 3V is the sweet spot

I've never used a cartridge. I've heard of people being able to break through with them. But I've heard it's a lot harder! Freebase is much easier to break through on, for what it's worth.

Don't feel the pressure to break through immediately. Take your time. Get familiar with the molecule...play with your doses.

You also need to take longer inhales and hold for longer. The vapor should not be harsh since the temperature is correct, so it shouldn't be too bad. Try to inhale for at least 8 to 10 seconds. And holds for 10 seconds. I bet that sounds like an eternity, but it's not. After only 1 to 2 hits with this strategy, you will blast off.

 

[reun]

I've heard 3V is the sweet spot

I've never used a cartridge. I've heard of people being able to break through with them. But I've heard it's a lot harder! Freebase is much easier to break through on, for what it's worth.

Don't feel the pressure to break through immediately. Take your time. Get familiar with the molecule...play with your doses.

You also need to take longer inhales and hold for longer. The vapor should not be harsh since the temperature is correct, so it shouldn't be too bad. Try to inhale for at least 8 to 10 seconds. And holds for 10 seconds. I bet that sounds like an eternity, but it's not. After only 1 to 2 hits with this strategy, you will blast off.

Thank you for your response!

I'm new to this, but from what I understand, cartridges are very popular these days for a variety of reasons, but yes, I figured that it won't be easy to break through. I'll try your suggestions in my next attempt -- bump up the voltage and try to hold it in for longer (and yes, 10 seconds does feel like a very very long time under these conditions). If I'm having trouble with that, then I might try the freebase approach, but from what I understand it comes with other concerns -- you can burn the crystals, you can potentially overdo it and hit a whiteout, there are safety considerations, etc.

Anyway, it's a journey. I don't feel the pressure to break through, but I would like to understand how to increase the intensity! And I feel like I have some leads for my next attempt. I will report back after trying again!

Thank you again for the words of advice!

 

[froggydays]

Using a vape, unless you use a high concentration, is indeed not very strong and you have to take multiple long tokes to get a strong effect.

Traditionally, it's smoked in a pipe, but for many reasons people don't do that (ie smoking not allowed, "druggy" vibe, dirty, etcetera).

However when using a pipe the effects can be extremely overwhelming immediately, so I would not recommend it if you're not experienced.

As said above it's better to first build up some experience and tolerance.

 

[blig-blug]

I would personally recommend a tank+mod instead of a cart. With a good tank, you can easily get there, even using a weaker ratio than what is common with carts.

If you decide to go that way, this thread has excellent information on it: A 2026 sub-ohm e-cig setups guide for DMT e-juice vape

 

[reun]

Using a vape, unless you use a high concentration, is indeed not very strong and you have to take multiple long tokes to get a strong effect.

Traditionally, it's smoked in a pipe, but for many reasons people don't do that (ie smoking not allowed, "druggy" vibe, dirty, etcetera).

However when using a pipe the effects can be extremely overwhelming immediately, so I would not recommend it if you're not experienced.

As said above it's better to first build up some experience and tolerance.

Thanks for sharing!

By "high concentration" do you mean something closer to a ratio of 3:1 DMT to PG? I have no problems with using a pipe, it's just that, from what I understand, it is dangerous to do it on your own, it presents a hazard, and it is also tricky to execute correctly -- not burn the spice, dose it correctly so that you have enough to send you away, but not too much to tip into whiteout territory.

My plan is to experiment with my current 1:1 mix, try different breathing approaches and different voltage settings, then I'll create a stronger concentration and I may give a pipe a go if I'm struggling with the vape.

 

[froggydays]

Thanks for sharing!

By "high concentration" do you mean something closer to a ratio of 3:1 DMT to PG? I have no problems with using a pipe, it's just that, from what I understand, it is dangerous to do it on your own, it presents a hazard, and it is also tricky to execute correctly -- not burn the spice, dose it correctly so that you have enough to send you away, but not too much to tip into whiteout territory.

My plan is to experiment with my current 1:1 mix, try different breathing approaches and different voltage settings, then I'll create a stronger concentration and I may give a pipe a go if I'm struggling with the vape.

Yes it can be a bit dangerous because of the flame; you will have to be sure you can't accidentally drop the pipe where it can cause a fire or damage.

You can avoid burning it by not holding the flame directly onto the pipe but just close enough to create vapor.

However the window of breathing in becomes very short and can create some nervous tension as such, which is why some people prefer the vape method.

The Geekvape Aegis (5) was recommended to me earlier which is a cool, but relatively expensive, device.

 

[reun]

I would personally recommend a tank+mod instead of a cart. With a good tank, you can easily get there, even using a weaker ratio than what is common with carts.

If you decide to go that way, this thread has excellent information on it: A 2026 sub-ohm e-cig setups guide for DMT e-juice vape

Thanks for the suggestion!

I'm new to vaporizers and I'm still trying to make sense of it all. As I noted earlier, I have a Yocan Uni Pro, but the problem is that it cannot be used for sub-ohm vaping, is that correct? I would need a sub-ohm setup such as what is proposed in the linked article to get a reliable breakthrough experience, but the actual DMT vape juice can effectively remain as is, right? I'm also curious why do so many people seem to recommend a standard 510 thread vape battery + cartridge -- is this designed for a threshold experience, or do people still break through on this setup, it just harder?

 

[blig-blug]

I'm new to vaporizers and I'm still trying to make sense of it all

Yeah, at first the terminology is quite confusing. But luckily one doesn't need to know that much, only what that thread says about what is required in a mod and a pod to be adequate for DMT e-juice.

but the actual DMT vape juice can effectively remain as is, right?

Yes, and you will be able to adjust the density of the vapor by adjusting the watts. If your intention is to reliably get to a breakthrough every time, it's not a problem that your vape juice is strong. It's better.

I'm also curious why do so many people seem to recommend a standard 510 thread vape battery + cartridge

It may be because it's cheap and also quite portable. I think those are its only benefits. For low dose experiences they are quite nice as they are easy to handle and not prone to leaking, but I think they are inferior in every other way.

is this designed for a threshold experience, or do people still break through on this setup, it just harder?

I have only tried it with moderately strong e-juice, and a breakthrough seems impossible with it. It seems to be possible with a more concentrated juice, but possible doesn't mean adequate. I think they aren't a very good tool for that, if you try a sub-ohm pod you'll see the difference between the very thick and big cloud of vapor it can produce vs. the light vapor from a cart.