Dosage Question -- Pics!

[serenamoon]

SWIM's friend's cat does not have a mg scale and would love if someone could eyeball the attached pic and tell her if that is enough for a proper blastoff using a GVG, which she heard only needs 15 - 25mg of spice. This pic was actually stolen from another forum because SWIM's friend's cat is still in the process of freeze precipitating but it looks like low yield after 12 hours. SWIM's friend's cat has never taken any type of drug before and would prefer not having a bad trip due to improper dosage and would appreciate everyone's help.

 

[Walter D. Roy]

Looks like a pinch of that would blast you off for sure. But weight varies with each extraction. The only way to be certain with dosage is to weigh it. If you are really concerned about the exact dosage, then I would wait to do it. But if all you are looking for is a nice experience, then I would say load some up and do it! If you want to test the potency beforehand. You could always load a very minimal amount in your GVG and see how that goes. Then move on to a bigger amount. Hope this helps!

Walter

 

[MelCat]

Good advice Walter. In addition, if this is the first time swims cat has extracted and used the GVG with spice, it's going to take a little getting used to. Be prepared for some misfires and the general learning curve. Take your time to get a feel for the tools, no need to rush.

I know your question was about dosage, but I'd like to share some things to keep in mind if that's okay...

* Make sure all of the solvent has fully evaporated from your spice. You don't want to smoke any naptha. I usually set it out in a small pyrex baking dish or bowl under a light fan. It will oxidize some (turn yellow/orange) but that doesn't hurt the spice at all and some actually prefer it.

* Check out the GVG thread on how to get the copper brillow just right. This is Gibran2's copper mesh. I use something like the image attached. I couldn't find the original poster who came up with the idea but it's a small copper wire with copper brillow wrapped around it several times.

If you use the brillow (which is recommended) you need to soak it in acetone for a few minutes to get off any anti-rust agents. You can also vaporize these residues off but it won't keep the shiny finish if you torch it too much.

* As far as the spice and dosage go, just be sure to start small and work your way up. As Walter said, the only way to be certain about the dose size, is to weigh it. It's really recommended to check out Amazon for a milligram scale.

http://www.amazon.com/American-Weig...F8&qid=1339217266&sr=8-2&keywords=0.001+scale

You can find them on ebay as well for a little cheaper. If you go the ebay route, just make sure you get it from somewhere other than China or Hong Kong.. The shipping can take forever.

I hope this helps!

Safe journeys and welcome to the Nexus!

 

[tele]

Melcat that is interesting mesh screen. I usually just press it slightly together and make it 3-6mm thick but that might be another good way to do it, especially in terms of perfect fitting. Does one put in the middle of the disc some material or does one just wrap around the edges?

SWIM's friend's cat

Maybe your friends friend was just too high and made it up that his/her cat could communicate? If you feel like SWIMming(which is totally unnecessary here) then I suggest using something that's easier to read.

 

[acacian]

would prefer not having a bad trip due to improper dosage and would appreciate everyone's help.

if this is so then i highly recommend not getting someone to eyeball your spice over the internet..bad idea. especially when its not even a picture of your own. dmt is very potent and it is easy to go to much deeper than expected through eyeballing. I would get some scales.

 

[MelCat]

Melcat that is interesting mesh screen. I usually just press it slightly together and make it 3-6mm thick but that might be another good way to do it, especially in terms of perfect fitting. Does one put in the middle of the disc some material or does one just wrap around the edges?

This method does fit perfect. It doesn't touch the sides of GVG chamber at all. It just sits right in the middle, no problem.

To make this one, I just wrapped it around several times. There isn't anything extra in the middle. If/when I make another one, I'd probably do a little bit of over/under weaving to make the mesh a little tighter.

It seems to work pretty good the way it is though. Any tweaks would just be for aesthetics.

 

[Walter D. Roy]

would prefer not having a bad trip due to improper dosage and would appreciate everyone's help.

if this is so then i highly recommend not getting someone to eyeball your spice over the internet..bad idea. especially when its not even a picture of your own. dmt is very potent and it is easy to go to much deeper than expected through eyeballing. I would get some scales.

Every time I have done dmt, I never measured out the dose. So I am sure he would be fine. I am not RECOMMENDING this at all. It could lead to potentially dangerous effects on your friends conscious and psyche. But if you do keep it within a reasonable amount. I am sure nothing bad would come of it. I have read of people on the Nexus that do not measure dosage (correct me if I am wrong).

Just make sure not to pack the bowl to tight, or else you will get one of two things. 1) to big of a dose. 2) a bunch of burnt dmt.

 

[tele]

Melcat that is interesting mesh screen. I usually just press it slightly together and make it 3-6mm thick but that might be another good way to do it, especially in terms of perfect fitting. Does one put in the middle of the disc some material or does one just wrap around the edges?

This method does fit perfect. It doesn't touch the sides of GVG chamber at all. It just sits right in the middle, no problem.

To make this one, I just wrapped it around several times. There isn't anything extra in the middle. If/when I make another one, I'd probably do a little bit of over/under weaving to make the mesh a little tighter.

It seems to work pretty good the way it is though. Any tweaks would just be for aesthetics.

I might try this... How many mm thick is the wire? And do you give about 0,5mm space to the glass walls, or more?

 

[MelCat]

It's not very thick at all. Maybe 2-3 mm?

I'd also say there's about 1-2mm clearance all the way around once it's inside the GVG.

You want it small enough to pass through the "lip" at the bottom of the chamber/top of the screen area without it getting stuck. That little lip gives the perfect clearance.

Here are a couple of more shots.

 

[tele]

Looking good! Do you have any suggestions where could I find that kind of thick wire? (other than hardware store)

 

[MelCat]

Bonsai supply shops usually carry it, craft stores should also keep some in stock or you could use the electrical wiring in your home. It just needs to be a solid piece of copper vs the threaded kind; although the threaded kind might not be a bad idea either... it just wouldn't be as sturdy as the solid wire.

 

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[tele]

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/volcano-vaporiser-liquid-pads.cfm

I tried that one with the GVG and it leaked horribly even when it was the right size, altough some members have used it with success. Also considering the amount of small loose wire particles(even after shaping) and it's price, the chore boy copper mesh ordered from ebay is a better option for me.