Dose, what is the largest recommended

[infinitynlove]

Dose, what is the largest recommended?

I would like to know the upper recommended limit on dosing, I have heard +60mg can be very intense and hard to remember.

Is this the case? does body size make much of a difference, I am 240lbs and 6ft 2 so would I need more than a 150lb 5ft 7 person for the same effects?

Can larger doses be remembered using any special techniques or supplements?

Thanks for reading
Peace

 

[anrchy]

It hasn't been confirmed that body size causes a difference in dose requirements. Some people have a natural tolerance (if that's indeed what it really is) or natural sensitivity. I believe this is not very common and I believe that most people sit in the middle of this.

If vaped properly, and that requires either a proper device, like a GVG for example, or proper technique with a less efficient device, which can be difficult and variable, I would say in my experience 35mg - 40mg is an upper level dose. I cannot stress how important I think it is to ease your way up to such a dose. The high doses can be life changing and very difficult to handle, integrate, and can cause you to not want DMT again. They can also be life changing and magnificent.

I took what was at first thought to be about 40mg but now I think more like 50 in one hit. I won't be doing that again on purpose I can assure you that. Maybe someone else would but I know I won't, and other members have mirrored this feeling as well. These size doses can leave you feeling "different" for weeks or months. It's taking me quite awhile to integrate this experience I had a month ago and I have not been able to touch DMT since.

Im not even sure if I ever will again. I would like to but I have to be sure that I want to. There is a point I believe at which a high enough dose will cause blackout. I have read many experiences of this, and the first part if my trip was. I know of no techniques that would allow you to recall these large doses any more clear.

Just be careful friend, take your time. There is no hurry. Be safe and happy travels.

 

[3rdI]

just work your way up in 5mg increments, this will lead you to the upper limits of your desired effect, hopefully without giving you to much of a kicking.

You really dont want to dump 50/60mg in a pipe only to find out that 35mg was your upper limit, the result of this kind of thing is not desireable because it can land you in a place where after its over, it really isnt over.

heed the words of anrchy.

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

Some of this has to do with how comfortable you are with the DMT tryp. With more experience often comes more comfort with the tryp. In general, if it's your first, don't do more than 20 or 30 mg, maybe 15 mg. But after 5 years and hundreds of tryps, 100 mg, or even a few back to back or spaced 5 or 10 minutes apart, can be quite an enlightening experience. But heed caution, because it can also mean that in the passing of a moment you spend an eternity in hell. Either way, it's not going to kill you, unless theoretically you have such a scary tryp that it scares you so bad that you have a heart attack, but it could very well make you wish you were dead instead. If you loose all inhibition and when you become more comfortable you will probably increase dosage. My personal preference is to spend about 6 hours in constant hard core tryping and I will ingest pharmahuasca and couple it with smoking freebase harmaloids and pure Spice several times per hour.

As for weight factor, that does take more into account when ingesting or injecting. I'm certain it does to a degree when smoking as well, but I don't think it would make as much difference because of the delivery method and whether it is or not is debatable and difficult to measure. But the fact remains that weight definitely played a factor in LD50 testing.

Just keep in mind, the LD50 of DMT administered through inter muscular injections to mice is 110 mg/kg.

 

[infinitynlove]

It hasn't been confirmed that body size causes a difference in dose requirements. Some people have a natural tolerance (if that's indeed what it really is) or natural sensitivity. I believe this is not very common and I believe that most people sit in the middle of this.

If vaped properly, and that requires either a proper device, like a GVG for example, or proper technique with a less efficient device, which can be difficult and variable, I would say in my experience 35mg - 40mg is an upper level dose. I cannot stress how important I think it is to ease your way up to such a dose. The high doses can be life changing and very difficult to handle, integrate, and can cause you to not want DMT again. They can also be life changing and magnificent.

I took what was at first thought to be about 40mg but now I think more like 50 in one hit. I won't be doing that again on purpose I can assure you that. Maybe someone else would but I know I won't, and other members have mirrored this feeling as well. These size doses can leave you feeling "different" for weeks or months. It's taking me quite awhile to integrate this experience I had a month ago and I have not been able to touch DMT since.

Im not even sure if I ever will again. I would like to but I have to be sure that I want to. There is a point I believe at which a high enough dose will cause blackout. I have read many experiences of this, and the first part if my trip was. I know of no techniques that would allow you to recall these large doses any more clear.

Just be careful friend, take your time. There is no hurry. Be safe and happy travels.

thank you very much, this is excellent advice!

 

[infinitynlove]

You really dont want to dump 50/60mg in a pipe only to find out that 35mg was your upper limit, the result of this kind of thing is not desireable because it can land you in a place where after its over, it really isnt over.

heed the words of anrchy.

What do you mean its not really over? like I bring hyperspace into the physical realm? that statement is scary, I am imaging entities still being in this world still taking to me...

Can you please elaborate.

 

[infinitynlove]

But after 5 years and hundreds of tryps, 100 mg, or even a few back to back or spaced 5 or 10 minutes apart, can be quite an enlightening experience. But heed caution, because it can also mean that in the passing of a moment you spend an eternity in hell. But it could very well make you wish you were dead instead. If you loose all inhibition and when you become more comfortable you will probably increase dosage. My personal preference is to spend about 6 hours in constant hard core tryping and I will ingest pharmahuasca and couple it with smoking freebase harmaloids and pure Spice several times per hour.

wow that statment hit home, each passing moment could be spending an eternity in hell! I totaly get what you are saying there. I have felt like that on acid a while back, I dropped unintentionaly 8 blotters, I thought I had forgot how to breath, I forgot my name, I couldnt hear anything except wind! I was scared, young and fighting the trip, I looked at a huge digi clock on my wall and it was 10:06 pm and after what felt like hours has passed I looked back at the clock and it was still 10:06, that scared the crap out of me and I panicked, so I get what you mean there totaly!.

great advice thank you so much!

 

[chemmy]

Your question worries me. You should be careful using high doses of anything, especially since is sounds like you're planning to ballpark a ratio based on weight and height. LSD comes to mind in that regardless of your weight, a small amount does the job, relatively speaking, based on mass of the chemical. I have to agree with 3rdI. Since you are working with your mind at stake. Step up from your normal dose in small increments and record your results. I'm sure people on the forum would be interested. I am

 

[infinitynlove]

My personal preference is to spend about 6 hours in constant hard core tryping and I will ingest pharmahuasca and couple it with smoking freebase harmaloids and pure Spice several times per hour.

^^^ that's hardcore!

 

[3rdI]

What do you mean its not really over? like I bring hyperspace into the physical realm? that statement is scary, I am imaging entities still being in this world still taking to me...

Can you please elaborate.

certainly.

a normal DMT journey blows your mind and fills you with all the glories of existence and afterwards you sit around thinking that you have just experienced the greatest thing ever and that that was truely an awesome experience. You then go about your buisness and carry on with your life with fond fading memories of the experience and hopefully integrating some glorious revelations that you learnt while on your journey.

A journey with a dose that is to high will kick 6 bells out of you and it can lead to an extreme existential nightmare the likes of which you didnt think possible, doubting your very existence or sanity for weeks or longer afterward. The actual elements of the experience may not persist but the shockwave it creates can seriously rock your little boat.

My personal preference is to spend about 6 hours in constant hard core tryping and I will ingest pharmahuasca and couple it with smoking freebase harmaloids and pure Spice several times per hour.


^^^ that's hardcore!

Its not hardcore, it seems like madness or more likely poor vaping technique, but each to there own i guess.

 

[cyb]

Well said 3rdI...
:thumb_up:

 

[infinitynlove]

Your question worries me. You should be careful using high doses of anything, especially since is sounds like you're planning to ballpark a ratio based on weight and height. LSD comes to mind in that regardless of your weight, a small amount does the job, relatively speaking, based on mass of the chemical. I have to agree with 3rdI. Since you are working with your mind at stake. Step up from your normal dose in small increments and record your results. I'm sure people on the forum would be interested. I am

Thanks for the input, don't worry, I wont just jump right in with an pig pipe!

after reading what many have said in this thread, I am much more educated / aware about how I need to take things easy and respect the spice.

I did exactly this with LSD and learnt the hard way, but looking back i needed it. DMT is by far the worlds strongest hallucinogenic I aint going to make the same mistake again!

thanks for all the input

peace

 

[○]

If vaped properly, and that requires either a proper device, like a GVG for example, or proper technique with a less efficient device, which can be difficult and variable, I would say in my experience 35mg - 40mg is an upper level dose. I cannot stress how important I think it is to ease your way up to such a dose. The high doses can be life changing and very difficult to handle, integrate, and can cause you to not want DMT again. They can also be life changing and magnificent.

I took what was at first thought to be about 40mg but now I think more like 50 in one hit. I won't be doing that again on purpose I can assure you that. Maybe someone else would but I know I won't, and other members have mirrored this feeling as well. These size doses can leave you feeling "different" for weeks or months. It's taking me quite awhile to integrate this experience I had a month ago and I have not been able to touch DMT since.

Im not even sure if I ever will again. I would like to but I have to be sure that I want to. There is a point I believe at which a high enough dose will cause blackout. I have read many experiences of this, and the first part if my trip was. I know of no techniques that would allow you to recall these large doses any more clear.

Read this, and read it well. As said, if a dosage of 40-50mg is vaporized/smoked 'properly' in a glass bong or GVG, in one huge hit, well....your kahunas will be tested....let it be known.

 

[infinitynlove]

A journey with a dose that is to high will kick 6 bells out of you and it can lead to an extreme existential nightmare the likes of which you didnt think possible, doubting your very existence or sanity for weeks or longer afterward. The actual elements of the experience may not persist but the shockwave it creates can seriously rock your little boat.

ah yes, i know that state for sure! I had full on amphetamine psychosis for over 6 months, full on voices in my head, real audio and visual hallucinations, i questioned everything for the whole 6 months! I think I have questioned my own existence more in 39 years than most would if they lived to 1000.

superb advice, I know exactly what you mean now!

thank you

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

^^^ that's hardcore!

I guess hard core was a poor choice of words. A more proper description I think might be very deep and extremely intense. And by the end even a little exhausting.

Its not hardcore, it seems like madness or more likely poor vaping technique, but each to there own i guess.

Rest assured, it is neither madness nor poor vaping. It's not like I've only been doing this once in a while for a couple years. As with anything and anyone, practice precedes improvement. I've used a number of different vaporizers, low and high dollar, with and without temp controls, the glass vapor genie is awesome. Or I can bring a dose to a simmer or boil until it evaporates using an old fashioned freebase pipe. But if I'm in for the long haul I can utilize a brass pipe with steel wool just as efficiently. I've been freebasing for over 20 years so I'm fairly confident that it isn't a problem with technique.

Then again, maybe it is madness. If madness is the desire to delve and explore the deepest most intense inner plane of spirituality. I have spent that eternity in hell. But I have also spent an eternity in heaven. All in the name of spiritual exploration and discovery. Not madness, just difference. But enough of this type of talk, I would rather it not lead down a negative path.

All of that aside, my point was simply this. The Spice affects different people differently. I have known a few that had experiences with 10 mg doses that were as intense as others on a 50 mg dose as well as a few that 75 mg was like 10 mg to most. There is a wide range of how this affects a person and so in general I suggest start low, 15 to 30 mg is plenty. Work up little by little. And in time, each of us will find a different comfort level and decide for ourselves what dose to take.

 

[anrchy]

A journey with a dose that is to high will kick 6 bells out of you and it can lead to an extreme existential nightmare the likes of which you didnt think possible, doubting your very existence or sanity for weeks or longer afterward. The actual elements of the experience may not persist but the shockwave it creates can seriously rock your little boat.

Ya this is definitely something I am just now starting to feel is about over. Feeling as though this world is just as alien as hyperspace is such a strange experience.

 

[infinitynlove]

A journey with a dose that is to high will kick 6 bells out of you and it can lead to an extreme existential nightmare the likes of which you didnt think possible, doubting your very existence or sanity for weeks or longer afterward. The actual elements of the experience may not persist but the shockwave it creates can seriously rock your little boat.

Ya this is definitely something I am just now starting to feel is about over. Feeling as though this world is just as alien as hyperspace is such a strange experience.

Hope you feel better soon, I know you will over time, time is a great healer. I am glad I asked on here about dose before diving right in!

peace

 

[Guyomech]

My only ever bad DMT trip was simply from smoking too much. And nothing useful to bring back either: simply tied to the car and dragged. Awful, while at the same time being completely avoidable.

Many of the senior members here- folks who have done DMT hundreds or thousands of times (way more than I) feel that 40mg is a solid breakthrough dose with good technique. More than that could lead to a blackout. Or something really rough, as I experienced firsthand. But you might as well ease in 5mg at a time as suggested... You can improve your technique as you go, get to know the effects. By the time you are up to 25 or more you should have a feel for it. (25-30 is my preferred dose these days.)

 

[infinitynlove]

so even for the very experienced, more != a better trip?

I thought if you could handle it more would / could take you deeper and have a better trip?

shows how ignorant i am to spice, glad i asked and i am also very glad you and others responded.

peace

 

[anrchy]

Nothing gives you a better trip IME. And more just expands on the abstract nature of the experience. But when you hit that hard hitter its almost/is too much to handle.