Dose, what is the largest recommended

[infinitynlove]

Nothing gives you a better trip IME. And more just expands on the abstract nature of the experience. But when you hit that hard hitter its almost/is too much to handle.

hi

may i ask, when you say to much to handle, what do you mean?

terence mckenna talks about taking lsd and doing dmt.... i thought that would be too much to handle but some, like him, seem to seek the ultra nutty, too much exp.

i mean ego death happens at lower doses, so at higher doses, when it gets too much, what actually happens that makes it almost impossible to handle?

sorry to ask so many noob questions, i am a total newbie when it comes to spice.

regards

peace

 

[voyaj]

Nothing gives you a better trip IME. And more just expands on the abstract nature of the experience. But when you hit that hard hitter its almost/is too much to handle.

Just like anrchy I have had a difficult time integrating my first breakthrough. I have read about this topic for years since two thousand and four and messed around with the spice quite a bit this year. Even though it is the most magnificent experience, it is impossible to read about and understand what a breakthrough is and then can be terrifying going through the process when you find yourself in there.

I had a hard time with the black entities even though when I was there I was having a blast with them but nothing ever prepared me for the long lasting mental trip it was going to have over me.

Another thing that took me a while to even remember was how the trip began. I am used to the mandalas, jeweled mask, energy tunnel of the normal low dose chrysanthemum experience. But, when the breakthrough began it already had me taken aback, I was staring at a tunnel and could feel like I was going to breakthrough by going forward through the tunnel. Nope. Instead the energy tunnel fell down like if it were a painting on the wall, I had my eyes closed but could now see my room and a black box unfolded around me. It trapped me inside and the floor fell out into infinite space, falling at what felt like the speed of light until that frequency sound began. Was really scary, the experience was not unfolding as I thought it would. Even low doses you just never know but I feel I have an easier time maintaining and enjoying them. I just have no words for the breakthrough and I screamed all the way through the death of body and ego death. Its a tricky little bugger. It is one of those things that is just such a huge mystery to me, of how this experience is even possible to begin with and then its messages, puzzles, riddles and the impossible nature. It sounds fascinating on paper and it is but to actually do it could rip you a new one. Just remember to smile and laugh that is what I should have been doing but it seemed impossible.

Methinks I will stick to small doses for a while longer

 

[infinitynlove]

Nothing gives you a better trip IME. And more just expands on the abstract nature of the experience. But when you hit that hard hitter its almost/is too much to handle.

Just like anrchy I have had a difficult time integrating my first breakthrough. I have read about this topic for years since two thousand and four and messed around with the spice quite a bit this year. Even though it is the most magnificent experience, it is impossible to read about and understand what a breakthrough is and then can be terrifying going through the process when you find yourself in there.

I had a hard time with the black entities even though when I was there I was having a blast with them but nothing ever prepared me for the long lasting mental trip it was going to have over me.

Another thing that took me a while to even remember was how the trip began. I am used to the mandalas, jeweled mask, energy tunnel of the normal low dose chrysanthemum experience. But, when the breakthrough began it already had me taken aback, I was staring at a tunnel and could feel like I was going to breakthrough by going forward through the tunnel. Nope. Instead the energy tunnel fell down like if it were a painting on the wall, I had my eyes closed but could now see my room and a black box unfolded around me. It trapped me inside and the floor fell out into infinite space, falling at what felt like the speed of light until that frequency sound began. Was really scary, the experience was not unfolding as I thought it would. Even low doses you just never know but I feel I have an easier time maintaining and enjoying them. I just have no words for the breakthrough and I screamed all the way through the death of body and ego death. Its a tricky little bugger. It is one of those things that is just such a huge mystery to me, of how this experience is even possible to begin with and then its messages, puzzles, riddles and the impossible nature. It sounds fascinating on paper and it is but to actually do it could rip you a new one. Just remember to smile and laugh that is what I should have been doing but it seemed impossible.

Methinks I will stick to small doses for a while longer

wow, that sounds super intense!

Thank you for relaying your experience!

i thin the only time i can go for a break through dose is when i am literally bursting with bliss from prolonged meditation.

I don't think that will be for a while, i need to get used to lower doses first!

peace

 

[The Traveler]

My personal preference is to spend about 6 hours in constant hard core tryping and I will ingest pharmahuasca and couple it with smoking freebase harmaloids and pure Spice several times per hour.


^^^ that's hardcore!

Its not hardcore, it seems like madness or more likely poor vaping technique, but each to there own i guess.

I know EZ4U2Shoot from a long time ago on the DMT-Nexus, he's a genuine person and he did experiment a lot with prolonged DMT sessions and massive DMT doses. So if he states that he prefers this I will believe him.

With several new members coming to this site who sometimes like to 'show off' their experieces boasting large dosages, we see a bad side effect where original members of this site who did try out experimental ideas get the same treatment.

Back then we did not know much yet about dose responses, massive dosages and prolonged sessions. EZ4U2Shoot did several experiments with those ideas and found his niche for DMT use.

To get a better understanding of this person please check this post:

Breaking through the breakthrough with extreme doses - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Also if you dive into his post history you will find out that he did a lot of reseasrch to find the best smoking method. He inquired often which was best to use and tried many ways of smoking.

So please have a little bit more respect for this long time member.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Infinite I]

Yes should check his trip report on anal sex with himself, that was a hoot

A Bizarre First: Freebase Harmaloids + Spice = ANGELIC POSSESSION - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[hug46]

Yes should check his trip report on anal sex with himself, that was a hoot

A Bizarre First: Freebase Harmaloids + Spice = ANGELIC POSSESSION - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Yes that was an interesting and informative report, although the mention of 7.5 inch penis did make me feel a little inferior.

I think as far as recommended doses go you can ramp up by 5mg each time til the engines won"t take it anymore. I have to say the difference between 15 and 20mg is night and day for me (although it could be down to poor vaping techniques but i don"t think so).
There will be others that have different limits but for me 30mg is the max that i will knowingly smoke.

 

[anrchy]

Nothing gives you a better trip IME. And more just expands on the abstract nature of the experience. But when you hit that hard hitter its almost/is too much to handle.

hi

may i ask, when you say to much to handle, what do you mean?

terence mckenna talks about taking lsd and doing dmt.... i thought that would be too much to handle but some, like him, seem to seek the ultra nutty, too much exp.

i mean ego death happens at lower doses, so at higher doses, when it gets too much, what actually happens that makes it almost impossible to handle?

sorry to ask so many noob questions, i am a total newbie when it comes to spice.

regards

peace

Too much to handle can be many things with DMT. The carrier wave can sometimes increase in intensity to a level so high and intense that you think your brain is going to explode if it persists. The body load separation can feel so strong that you think every cell is tearing apart at the seams. The visuals can become so intense that you cant handle looking at them, yet have no choice. What you are being told can be so unreal, or so REAL, that you absolutely cannot believe or accept it. Everything that DMT does can become so intense that it's difficult to continue experiencing it.

Often times when it becomes too much to handle I end up pulling out. I'm still not sure how this works, but you literally end the body separation and return, yet the effects are still very strong so the CEV's are off the charts. Often times you don't even see the environment you are in, bedroom outside bathroom ect. DMT still astonishes me though so my experiences will be different than others. If you dont astonish easily with psychedelics then it will take the super high doses. Although I have no experience with pushing this boundary more than once so I can't say as to whether or not you can navigate this level better with repeated attempts.

 

[infinitynlove]

Nothing gives you a better trip IME. And more just expands on the abstract nature of the experience. But when you hit that hard hitter its almost/is too much to handle.

hi

may i ask, when you say to much to handle, what do you mean?

terence mckenna talks about taking lsd and doing dmt.... i thought that would be too much to handle but some, like him, seem to seek the ultra nutty, too much exp.

i mean ego death happens at lower doses, so at higher doses, when it gets too much, what actually happens that makes it almost impossible to handle?

sorry to ask so many noob questions, i am a total newbie when it comes to spice.

regards

peace

Too much to handle can be many things with DMT. The carrier wave can sometimes increase in intensity to a level so high and intense that you think your brain is going to explode if it persists. The body load separation can feel so strong that you think every cell is tearing apart at the seams. The visuals can become so intense that you cant handle looking at them, yet have no choice. What you are being told can be so unreal, or so REAL, that you absolutely cannot believe or accept it. Everything that DMT does can become so intense that it's difficult to continue experiencing it.

Often times when it becomes too much to handle I end up pulling out. I'm still not sure how this works, but you literally end the body separation and return, yet the effects are still very strong so the CEV's are off the charts. Often times you don't even see the environment you are in, bedroom outside bathroom ect. DMT still astonishes me though so my experiences will be different than others. If you dont astonish easily with psychedelics then it will take the super high doses. Although I have no experience with pushing this boundary more than once so I can't say as to whether or not you can navigate this level better with repeated attempts.

Thanks for the reply, i know what you mean now!

 

[anrchy]

I also want to add DMT has shown me the most amazing things I have ever seen, felt, and heard as well. And now, after having had a pretty intense trip, I look back at it and... wow that was really awesome.

 

[infinitynlove]

I also want to add DMT has shown me the most amazing things I have ever seen, felt, and heard as well. And now, after having had a pretty intense trip, I look back at it and... wow that was really awesome.

excellent! It is great you can now look back and appreciate the experience.

i guess ideally, the way to fully enjoy heavy trips would to not feel fear or be overwhelmed in the moment. Easier said than done i guess!

i am sure i will experience these sort of trips when i do break through, gulp!

thanks for sharing this with me anarcy, its much appreciated!

Peace

 

[DeMenTed]

Imo fear is the deciding factor on whether you have a bad trip and not always the dosage. Ive had uncomfortable bad trips on low dose vaped dmt.

My advice would be 60mg properly vaped and face your deepest fears Just as long as you are fully over your amphetamine psychosis. Ive had mda/ amphetamine ego death psychosis from an experience 20 years ago and i still have residual effects from that night. I do think though that that experience gave me the tools to face any fears that dmt can throw at me. It may not be the case for yourself so probably start low just to get a feeel for it and then jump of the olympic high diving board shouting i'm the boss!!!!

My highest dose of vaped dmt was around 150mg with no harmalas. Conquer your fears and enjoy brother

 

[corpus callosum]

I guess the mileage of the various members will vary but 40-50mg vaporised correctly AND consumed in one breath becomes utterly overwhelming for me.I think we can talk about vaping any dose correctly but I think its the rapid delivery to the brain which makes the difference.

I also think as one becomes experienced in using this compound, as much as that is possible with something with DMTs attributes, one finds an optimum window of dosage whereby one can breakthrough and take something from the experience.Nowadays thats 25-30ish mgs in one breath of freebase via a GVG for me; changa dosing seems a bit less predictable IMO/E.

Each user needs to find their sweet-spot or range; the palaces of wisdom that are at the end of the road of excess, as described by Blake, could resemble a psychiatric ward and bragging rights dont count for much in a place like that. There are real dangers, psychologically speaking, with the very high doses and I doubt these can be really comprehended unless one has had such a trip.What you may regard as your deepest fear may be shown to be closer to the surface of the puddle that is your psyche than you thought.

 

[Pup Tentacle]

I too find that 25-30mg vaped in one shot from my GVG takes me all the way. Beyond that, and even sometimes at that level, things go black. Mostly just blank black, but kind of a worthless experience all in all. About as psychedelically rewarding as a nap on the couch.

Changa seems to slow the experience down... kind of... but not always, lol. I do find it provides for a bit gentler take off at least. I'm starting to really like taking a very mild dose of pharma and then smoking changa on top of it. For me it seems yo make the whole thing more manageable.

Honestly though, pay close attention to those who warn of going to far too fast. You'll be needing your mind so be careful with it.

Peace & Love,

PT

 

[infinitynlove]

Imo fear is the deciding factor on whether you have a bad trip and not always the dosage. Ive had uncomfortable bad trips on low dose vaped dmt.

My advice would be 60mg properly vaped and face your deepest fears Just as long as you are fully over your amphetamine psychosis. Ive had mda/ amphetamine ego death psychosis from an experience 20 years ago and i still have residual effects from that night. I do think though that that experience gave me the tools to face any fears that dmt can throw at me. It may not be the case for yourself so probably start low just to get a feeel for it and then jump of the olympic high diving board shouting i'm the boss!!!!

My highest dose of vaped dmt was around 150mg with no harmalas. Conquer your fears and enjoy brother

hi... ah you read my intro essay, yes i am well over my psychosis, occasionally if i am up for 48 hours or longer (hardly happens these days) i feel ever so slightly like i did back then and sometimes when very very tired and malnourished, which is extremely rare i will hear the odd thought audibly, but its usually one word on its own and is related to what i just thought a moment ago.

other than that, there are no other noticeable effects from my psychosis. I am a much healthier person now too which helps a lot I guess.

Thanks for the advice. I do not think I have any real fears other than being impoverished , my dad dying, my gf dying and a slight fear of spiders, so if a spider wants to eat my family then me on dmt then so be it! ... ill poo as he swallows me just to spite him, ill taste horrible! jk.

I am going to really go in slow with DMT so I Get a feel for the drug at lower doses then try doses just below breakthrough point several times before I go for the big hit.

thanks for the advice brother, much love

peace

 

[○]

I guess the mileage of the various members will vary but 40-50mg vaporised correctly AND consumed in one breath becomes utterly overwhelming for me.I think we can talk about vaping any dose correctly but I think its the rapid delivery to the brain which makes the difference.

This ^^

If you truly get a full vaporization of 40-50mg in one breath in a GVG or bong...well....yeah. For those that've been there 'know' what im talking about. That was the first and last time for me doing that, as I got to experience what was needed. No entities, no places....just you and the source.

Anymore I only smoke 25, maybe 30mg in a GVG. Acouple tokes and im there. For those that haven't been in the depths of a single hit, 40-50mg, BE CAREFUL. Not trying to sound elitist or paternalistic, just being dead honest...if you do not have much experience with DMT DO NOT go for that method/dosage. Im still integrating from almost 9 months ago. It takes serious dedication and work (meditation, writing, physical regimens,art)integrate an experience like that, because if you don't, it COULD VERY WELL mess you up psychologically and heavily influence how you act with the everyday world. Visions of that nature require work afterwards. These things CAN come with a price.

Tat Tvam Asi

 

[infinitynlove]

I guess the mileage of the various members will vary but 40-50mg vaporised correctly AND consumed in one breath becomes utterly overwhelming for me.I think we can talk about vaping any dose correctly but I think its the rapid delivery to the brain which makes the difference.

I also think as one becomes experienced in using this compound, as much as that is possible with something with DMTs attributes, one finds an optimum window of dosage whereby one can breakthrough and take something from the experience.Nowadays thats 25-30ish mgs in one breath of freebase via a GVG for me; changa dosing seems a bit less predictable IMO/E.

Each user needs to find their sweet-spot or range; the palaces of wisdom that are at the end of the road of excess, as described by Blake, could resemble a psychiatric ward and bragging rights dont count for much in a place like that. There are real dangers, psychologically speaking, with the very high doses and I doubt these can be really comprehended unless one has had such a trip.What you may regard as your deepest fear may be shown to be closer to the surface of the puddle that is your psyche than you thought.

Very wise advice! thank you very much for passing your experience, will take it all in and go slow until i am ready and i can find the dosage sweet spot to breakthrough!

I just smoked a further 15 mg,, great colors, room was melting, meditation and low dose DMT is awesome really beautifies the CEV

 

[infinitynlove]

Honestly though, pay close attention to those who warn of going to far too fast. You'll be needing your mind so be careful with it.

Peace & Love,

PT

Thank you so much, there is some first rate advice on here!

i will heed your words!

Love n light
Peace

 

[infinitynlove]

I guess the mileage of the various members will vary but 40-50mg vaporised correctly AND consumed in one breath becomes utterly overwhelming for me.I think we can talk about vaping any dose correctly but I think its the rapid delivery to the brain which makes the difference.

This ^^

If you truly get a full vaporization of 40-50mg in one breath in a GVG or bong...well....yeah. For those that've been there 'know' what im talking about. That was the first and last time for me doing that, as I got to experience what was needed. No entities, no places....just you and the source.

Anymore I only smoke 25, maybe 30mg in a GVG. Acouple tokes and im there. For those that haven't been in the depths of a single hit, 40-50mg, BE CAREFUL. Not trying to sound elitist or paternalistic, just being dead honest...if you do not have much experience with DMT DO NOT go for that method/dosage. Im still integrating from almost 9 months ago. It takes serious dedication and work (meditation, writing, physical regimens,art)integrate an experience like that, because if you don't, it COULD VERY WELL mess you up psychologically and heavily influence how you act with the everyday world. Visions of that nature require work afterwards. These things CAN come with a price.

Tat Tvam Asi

Very wise words, i am DEFIANTLY going to learn from others experience and mistakes!

Thank you for your input it is most appropriated

love and light

Peace

 

[DeMenTed]

Much love and peace brother

 

[anrchy]

I guess the mileage of the various members will vary but 40-50mg vaporised correctly AND consumed in one breath becomes utterly overwhelming for me.I think we can talk about vaping any dose correctly but I think its the rapid delivery to the brain which makes the difference.

This ^^

If you truly get a full vaporization of 40-50mg in one breath in a GVG or bong...well....yeah. For those that've been there 'know' what im talking about. That was the first and last time for me doing that, as I got to experience what was needed. No entities, no places....just you and the source.

Anymore I only smoke 25, maybe 30mg in a GVG. Acouple tokes and im there. For those that haven't been in the depths of a single hit, 40-50mg, BE CAREFUL. Not trying to sound elitist or paternalistic, just being dead honest...if you do not have much experience with DMT DO NOT go for that method/dosage. Im still integrating from almost 9 months ago. It takes serious dedication and work (meditation, writing, physical regimens,art)integrate an experience like that, because if you don't, it COULD VERY WELL mess you up psychologically and heavily influence how you act with the everyday world. Visions of that nature require work afterwards. These things CAN come with a price.

Tat Tvam Asi

This is what i'm talking about for sure. There was nothing but me and The Source. When large doses are vaped all in one breath it hits you so much faster and so much harder than the lower doses. As soon as you pull the pipe from your face you basically have a few seconds until you feel it begin to build, which means you now have like 2 seconds till your gone.

And the insanity over the next month is definitely not something I expected. There were times that I was having a hard time keeping myself convinced that this world was real, or that I would be confused as to what i am or what this place is. Not that I forgot that I am a human or that this is reality, that it didnt seem real or make sense that I was me and here. In fact I didnt really know what to think or what was real or what real even meant. It was difficult to pass that part.

I actually found that in this case your ego is your friend. By allowing my original ego, which was now pretty much erased and had started back at square 1, to be present I started to know how to feel like me again. I am still in this process and have no idea how long it will take, but I definitely dont feel paranoid that I cant be me again and feel normal about everything. I also am not scared that I wont return back to my normal self anymore because parts of me have come back. That strange sense of being out of place in my mind still lurks around slightly but I can dismiss it much easier.

I think if I had dosed a big one during the first week I would be an insane person right now.