dosing right before sleep

[mew]

200 mg fb harmalas with 50-70 mg spice acetate. taken right before sleep and feeling the effects while going to sleep.

enter dreamstates

my dreams are strange and oddly manifesting of what i think of, i threw my cell phone at an unknown entity/entities that were coming through a door i dared to not open, realizing i just threw my phone and believed i carried out this action in the physcial world as well, i was worried i was actually moving about doing things without knowledge of doing so. it was very strange, the dream seemed to real yet i understand that in those times of desperation when i reacted (throwing cell phone) i thought i was phsyically moving, but im sure i never left the safety of my bed.

i also was semi conscious of my body the entire night but not able/ desiring to wake ( i felt like i needed a glass of water, but had not the motivation to sate my thirst)

im considering using calea zacatechichi resin in conjuction with the same dose of pharma to keep myself in a more lucid state to remember more and potentiate the integrative properties of pharma. i noticed that the amount of fear i had was minimal compared to a waking dose of a tryptamine and harmalas.

more experiments to come but im curious to know if anyone else has experimented with dosing entheogenically before bed.

one of my nights included waking up thinking my girlfriend was tlaking to me so i took out my ear plugs to listen to her, but she was fast asleep, my whole body was tingling and i could barely move.

i also noticed i didnt experience typical patternization like smoking spice or other tryptamines ive experienced, but there was obvious dreaming that was far beyond normal. entire scenarios playing out but not any crazy patterns, maybe thats because i was asleep? i havent dosed this level in a waking trial yet so im unsure if while awake i might have patterns instead of vision like scenarios.

 

[jamie]

"i threw my cell phone at an unknown entity/entities that were coming through a door i dared to not open, realizing i just threw my phone and believed i carried out this action in the physcial world as well, i was worried i was actually moving about doing things without knowledge of doing so"

Lol, I know the feeling brother ..I think I have woken up minxx too many times now in the middle of the night due to my "experiments" haha..I have done all kinds of weird things at night, talking to people out loud that are not there is a frequent one..

2 nights ago I dosed and went to sleep and fell into a deep deep harmalas trance..minxx came to bed like 2 hours later and said "I love you"..and a part of me heard her and registered and my response while still half asleap was "I love you beta carbolines".

It does that to me when I dose at night and go to sleep..often I spend the whole night in a deep dream like trance but a part of me is still aware so it is good for lucid dreaming..

Man, I have had space ships even come down when dosing before bed before..like weird astral scenarios..weird stuff I can never fully explain the next morning..it always feels like it must have happened a million miles away from this reality.

 

[DeMenTed]

"I love you beta carbolines" LOL

 

[mew]

when i ate 3 feet of achuma i think i went to sleep aswell, but it was obviously not just a nap...

i feel like the decomposition of reality is bypassed as by being asleep youve already bridged that gap, which makes me assume that is the reason for the lack of patternization in my recent experiments. however the 3 feet experience was full of intense visuals that were anything but ordinary.... perhaps its just the difference in the medicines language

again thanks for the inspiration to keep working with the indoles, ive been taking it more and more seriously each passing night

peace

 

[mew]

@ jamie, what sort of dosages do you take before bed?


will update on the calea aspect of the experiment in the am

 

[jamie]

depends, sometimes only a microdose of like 15mg harmalas under the tounge..sometimes like 1/5th of a dose of a brew(with admix) and sometimes a full dose..the really small microdoses dont make me trip as night as much as the larger doses though:thumb_up:

I get alot of visuals at night though when I do this often..when I am actaully asleap not really but when I wake up in the middle of the night like an hour or 2 later in the dark, yes there are sometimes alot of very colorful rainbow lazer beam gemoetries. For some reason they do not pass into the dreams though..

 

[Seldom]

^ i love reading your posts dude

 

[mew]

aha ! so even though i dont think anything happened but an odd body load for a few hours into the night i ended up having very intense dreams with memorable detail

here goes the dream report:

impossible is what this is

marooned on a watery planet
as an asian girl
about as large as the moon
my only companion a criminal too
he was large and blonde
muscley and evil
tried to convince me
to join his scheme

i declined and then refused and became my manly self
chasing me lead to a watery lagoon
i climbed the mast of an old timey ship
and jumped from the crows nest
to the watery abyss
thinkin o i wonder if in this dream ill feel
the gut wrenching plummeting of the dive
as i fell the feeling of falling crescendoed into a climactic splash
and i remembered experiencing it in my memories just the same
i swam away and somehow joined a mixed company of friends and those id yet to know
on little boats that semi submerged
our log kayaks were used
others sat upon them
while i swam holding my ipod, phone, and laptop out of the water
i looked up and my breath escaped me
i gazed at the sunset
saturated skies in colors so vibrant
i could nearly taste them
the coulds were outlined in countoured maroons
it was so outstandind i took a picture on my ipod
because no one would be able to believe me

i got back to the resort
after much one armed paddling
still lugging my technology

i made my way to dry land
and all of the sudden
the dream started again


inbetween these dreams i woke in real life
walked around my home and admired the shifting sight
my house was transforming, but in its normal colors
entire objects seemed to move several feet in all directions
i seemed to be viewing everything through a semi fractal filter of tiny shapes/symbols but nothing too intense
i felt phsycially innebriated and amused at my vision
so back to bed i went and the resort welcomed me once more

i met with the blonde guy again
this time he was a cartooned redcoat, and very husky
with rollers for feet
i declined once more and chose another path
this time i wasnt permitted to deviate from some course
i was yet to know
inside a banquet hall with more people than i cared observe
i tried escaping this place as a 2 dimension overview
looking down on myself sitting at the bar
once more an asian girl
talking to the bartender

the next thing i knew i was blatantly refusing some plan
and found myself in the company of 4 pale faced asian women, blonde man, and skinny straw haired young adult
i was no longer an asian girl
and after hearing their proposal
which was so utterly unappealing
i reached out and slapped the asian women, 1 by one gently but insulting , as my refusal, not abuse
i thought to myself in this dream i have control
they have no choice but to admit my descision
and let me do as i please
just like the last time through
however they pushed back their chairs and stood up
each dissolved from sight and the environment did too
as each one left the reality around me became ever more psychedelic
until the straw haired guy dissolved and i was alone in an impossibly deep vortex of colors, sound, and wind
i saw them reappear one face at a time
like clouds getting denser and taking on a solid form
they found their way back to the table we were all sitting at
i must have agreed because i awoke right after we all were together
going through this ship like resort as 2 dimensional cartooned characters
we all had jackets and roller feet with mechanical extendors underneath
nothing made any sense in retrospec i just tried documenting it

all of the dreams came from the later portion of the night
i awoke refreshed and energized but with tired eyes

as i am typing this im remembering more sequences that seem impossible to place sequencially, its as if i awoke from my dream into new dreams and then went back from those new dreams to sleep in my dream to go back into the older dreams... ive never had dreams like this before but ive used harmalas and calea before bed, so the variable being spice must be the reason

200 mg fb harmala 60 mg spice 100 mg calea resin (30x)

 

[DeMaTron]

This entire thread is awesome, i'm going to start experimenting with this.

Thanks Mew and Jamie very interesting reports, does this make it easier to lucid dream and have more dream memory without aid the next day. I feel like if you can make it a habit you will be able to always do it naturally, mayybe!

Peace:]

 

[mew]

i went to sleep sober last night and my intense dreams continued

it started out very complex and now i cant remember how i got to the middle portion of the sequence

something led to something which lead to me being in a bar, or a pool hall rather

in this dimly lit place i tried a irish car bomb, as once the bartender and other people heard i hadnt they all insisted, which is odd because in real life i had never tried one
i felt and tasted curdled something and pounded the remainder of my foaming mug
i made friends with a middle aged man there who i believe was gambling on a kiosk
i got the impression that we near/ in a casino?
somehow someway i was put into bondage/incarcerated
it sucked but the focus wasnt on jail it was on the comradery of the inmates working together in this dungeon of a casino
some event happened and in the fray i escaped, i was chased for a while down a stone boardwalk that began after a many tiered stone ampitheatre lined with families all enjoying the weather, it was almost as if they were in a water park, frolicking about gayly
this boardwalk made of rocks and boulders still ran alongside a vast body of water
i made my way from the pursuers through a rock tunnel, there were dense spider webs
i put my arms over my face and continued onward, freaking out a little at the massive insects i was surely touching, determined to save myself i perservered
then finally i knew i wasnt being followed as i made my way into the daylight
i was at a small pool with tons of pelicans lining its edges, it mustve been filled with fish i thought, which was perfect because i was hungry
i knew i was free but i had to live without help, i was a fugitive, and it seemed alright
there was some animal there that i eviserated and made a net out of its web like entrails so i could fish and sustain myself
it was marvelous to be self reliant and free of persecution
i thoroughly enjoyed being there on those rocks fishing peacefully
then i was awoken
i went back to sleep for about thirty minutes
in those thirty minutes i was a proctector/ enforcer of public safety
there were these hominid like beings that were orange and gelatonous
my task force was charged with their annhilation
everyone was using guns, or phasers or something that shot
i opted to throw forks, i would whip a fork at high speed and run over and deliver a solid kick to the abdomen or groin, they would warp around my force and loose rigidity and fall down
they didnt seem to avoid our relentless onslaught

then i saw the my last target it looked like my girl friend
i went over to it and cradled her
my partner and her assistant, both female, demanded i move so they could shoot, but i protested and held this thing
realizing the illusion that was, i plunged my fist into its abdomen and drove it up under where a sternum might be, gelatonious and all it wasnt very difficult
my partner and her assistant had thought i was going to be soft and let it live but then were grimly astonished by my execution of it
i saw it die and go orange and a feeble exasperated cry escaped her lips just before she was killed

then i awoke


i felt really tired and content when i woke up

 

[mew]

the sober dreams were not nearly as visually striking as the night i used calea and pharma, there was also no confusion like there was with just using pharma (wondering if in reality i was moving)

 

[mew]

ive been abstaining from dosing
my dreams have returned to thier fleeting and non intense selves

seems i was directly affected by the medicine, even a day or two after using

 

[Crystalito]

I cant help but wonder, can one dose during sleep so that he/she is well asleep before any effects setting in? Effects setting in beforehands can propably modify the sleep to come, but i wonder what will happen if effects start setting in within the sleep patterns.

How can one do it? An idea is to set alarm clock to ring in the middle of the night and have by the bedstand a glass of water and the mighty capsule. Take quickly and drift back to sleep!

 

[mew]

in several of my experiments i was fast asleep before effects were noticed, i remember coming into a state of consciousness from sleeping at one point, but still being subconscious comparatively to waking consciousness

 

[Psyren]

I always wondered what would happen if you dosed(LSD,OralDMT,mushrooms)yourself then immediately feel asleep.
I feel like it would defently wake you up.
Which ive always thought would be neat...Waking up into the peak of a trip.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

A friend of mine (years ago) said he loved going to sleep on acid. He said he would sleep,then wake up, then back sleep. Like going in and out of conciousness with crazy dreams. This was said to me just as we dropped acid... Then the guy goes to sleep! There I am stuck for hours drawing crazy drawings while high and listening to him snore then wakeup multiple times. Funny thing was he talked me in to taking it, after I said I was ok without it.

 

[Global]

You guys making me wanna dose before going to sleep tonight