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Doubts: Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek

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Gokulananda

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Good afternoon.
firstly, I am so glad of being part of this awesome group. I am learning a lot, thank you, thank you, thank you!

After reading a lot, I decided to go with Q21 Vinegar/lime tek. the good news is that was a success. I tried the substance and it is indeed DMT, the effect was very low anyway.
I have a main concern, that is:

1. I am getting a product similar to a wax, not crystal.. it should be like this or do i need to heat more the goo until i get crystals?
2. i smoked the wax, and the taste of vinegar was much much stronger than the DMT... why could it be?

thank you so much in advance.
 
So you've tried freebasing DMT acetate with heat. Consensus nowadays is that this doesn't really work and leaves a large residue of acetate.

If it tastes of vinegar then you're probably trying to smoke the acetate. This means you need to turn it into the freebase somehow - such as with the lime you presumably still have - and pick the freebase up in a solvent. Limonene will not work for this process. Acetone, ethanol or isopropanol would be good. The freebase DMT is then recovered from the solvent either by evaporation or, in the case of naphtha and similar aliphatic hydrocarbons, freeze precipitation.
 
I had success recovering freebase from acetate using anhydrous acetone and sodium carbonate (this is pretty much standard method):

- take same volume of sodium carbonate (or lime) as you have your material (wax, powder, sludge)
- mix together with small amount of water, just enough to make a paste
- spread and let dry (e.g. in low heat), preferrably overnight until the paste harden
- scrape, powderize in a mortar
- mix with small amount of acetone, decant
- repeat mixing wit acetone and decanting or filtering
- evaporate the combined acetone pulls
 
yeah i had this same problem with this tek. a bunch of posts said it was fine to evap down the vinegar to yield acetate, and if you used a food dehydrator if would even "break off the acetyl group", but those were not my results at all. the acetate was extremely unpleasant, and the dosing was way off. also fyi i used limonene for the solvent so all end results were gooey full-spectrum stuff.

got much better results resdissolving the acetate goo in warm water, then add saturated sodium carbonate solution to crash out freebase, filter off all solids and dry them, then redissolve in 99% IPA, filter out undissolved carbonate, then evaporate IPA. its still blackish-red goo but the end result is much much better.

also was maybe going to make my own thread on this but if anyone knows if its ok/better maybe to use lime (CaOH) instead of sodium carbonate to do that final base? my first run with sodium carbonate went fine, but trying to process the second run and get all the good that gets stuck to beakers/glass/etc i am having trouble keeping the sodium carbonate out of the final wash/filter with IPA right before the evap. i even just tried drying my 99% IPA over molecular sieves and there's less but its still in there. sorry if i hijacked your thread.
 
hi gokulandia i would suggest you to get a look in the wiki, read a lot on there and extract your own conclusions.
@ gordo i already suggested you about youtubing teks and(isuppose) you just canceled the thread instead of just answering and create a constructive discussion.
i don't feel this safe, i don't know how people here around think about that but visualizations are not my concern so i will discourage again this behavior
my 2 cents
 
U gO said:
hi gokulandia i would suggest you to get a look in the wiki, read a lot on there and extract your own conclusions.
@ gordo i already suggested you about youtubing teks and(isuppose) you just canceled the thread instead of just answering and create a constructive discussion.
i don't feel this safe, i don't know how people here around think about that but visualizations are not my concern so i will discourage again this behavior
my 2 cents

U gO, sorry, I have no idea what you wrote in that thread as the moderators here would rather delete threads than have discussions, it’s part of the reason this site has fallen so far (among many other reasons, like being dark and depressing and not keeping up with technology - the main homepage doesn’t even work anymore on many devices, see the thread “is everyone OK?” to understand how people feel about this place, it’s also difficult to even create an account with pulse enrollment, and even harder to get regular member account status. This place has become a total “clique” that has gotten out of control and completely unwelcoming. The TEKs here are disorganized, obsolete TEKs remain with no commentary saying they are obsolete, it’s difficult to even determine what TEK to use, etc. This very thread is a perfect example - this guy just wasted his time and $ and maybe more importantly, he wasted precious bark (that tree is pissed) for what? Because the moderators here refuse to remove a bogus TEK that doesn't work. People here can't seem to even identify the difference between pure DMT and contaminated DMT - instead they call contaminated DMT "jimjam" and nonsense like that. And don’t even get me started on jargon - it’s found everywhere on this site, again this detracts from the site). The world has changed formats, it’s time to embrace that and work with it. Technology changes, you need to change with it.

Anyway, I started with reviewing what was already on YouTube and found that there were of course already many videos there, so it’s impossible to stop it, I also found that the existing videos sucked quite frankly. I didn’t want people using obsolete or dangerous techniques so I decided to make my own video. I get the old school thinking on this, but I think it’s a losing battle. Do you think the mods will delete my posts and account? Probably, quite honestly I don’t care at this point. I wish you all the best.
 
Take a breath, man.

There may be some outdated methods and procedures but all the pertinent information can be found within the forum. Does it need a little updating? Yes, of course.

What people seem to forget is that this is The Traveler's website that he set up and maintains for the rest of us. If you want to be apart of the group, there are rules and guidelines to follow while residing here. Simple as that. There have been others before you who have tried to do the same thing with youtube videos. Have you seen this discussion? The *Official* YouTube / DMT Discussion Thread

The Traveler said:
I think it is good practice to post links to DMT clips on Youtube here so we can flag it down.

Also this: The illusion of free speech and this one: I retract this. I'm wrong in this matter.

Q21Q21's tek isn't bogus. It is the first one I used personally, with great success. The only thing that needs removing is the "freebasing with heat" which does not work properly. You are also misinformed when it comes to jimjam, which is simply a nickname for the resulting DMT when extracted using limonene or similar solvents.

SnozzleBerry said:
Jim-jam refers solely to the alkaloids that are salted out of a fullrange extraction when using d-limo, xylene, or toluene. I would posit that jim-jam refers to only the alks, and therefore requires salting out of those solvents.

Jungle spice would refer to the product created when say xylene or toluene is evaporated (d-limo does not evaporate completely, thus it is not included) and consists of alkaloids as well as plant fats, oils, and whatever else is in there.

Also, this particular vinegar/lime tek is foodsafe (when using d-limo) so contamination is much less of a risk than with a tek that uses Lye/naphtha.

If you have actual, useful, and constructive suggestions for improvement of this site, feel free to start a thread about it and stop derailing this one.
 
No, I am not misinformed. Did you even read your own quote? Do you know the difference between pure and contaminated DMT? For the love of trees, stop the madness and fix the site already. The attitude has turned into this clique wanting to keep the knowledge obscured from the rest of the world. You’ll keep outdated TEKs around forever, and delete a thread to a new modern TEK that actually works extremely well, because it contains too many pictures. Sorry, I am rolling my eyes. Done with this place. You can have it to yourselves again. Carry on...
 
GordoTEK said:
No, I am not misinformed. Did you even read your own quote? Do you know the difference between pure and contaminated DMT? For the love of trees, stop the madness and fix the site already. The attitude has turned into this clique wanting to keep the knowledge obscured from the rest of the world. You’ll keep outdated TEKs around forever, and delete a thread to a new modern TEK that actually works extremely well, because it contains too many pictures. Sorry, I am rolling my eyes. Done with this place. You can have it to yourselves again. Carry on...



Well.. that attitude certainly doesn't help anything

:lol: :p
 
GordoTEK said:
No, I am not misinformed. Did you even read your own quote? Do you know the difference between pure and contaminated DMT? For the love of trees, stop the madness and fix the site already. The attitude has turned into this clique wanting to keep the knowledge obscured from the rest of the world. You’ll keep outdated TEKs around forever, and delete a thread to a new modern TEK that actually works extremely well, because it contains too many pictures. Sorry, I am rolling my eyes. Done with this place. You can have it to yourselves again. Carry on...

:roll:

Maybe this definition will clear it up for you. From the WIKI:

WIKI said:
Squishy, goopy, sticky, stringy matter of hyperspace that anything can be created from. It is multicolored and delicious.

Sometimes the resulting product from an extraction of mimosa hostilis using limonene as the non-polar solvent is also refered to as Jimjam.

As you can see, the definition is a "loose" one at best and open to interpretation. Saying jimjam is contaminated because it isn't pure DMT is misleading. "Jungle spice" has been analyzed by GC-MS and LC-MS by people on this site and it was found to be mostly DMT (~95%)(source). Jungle spice is obtained by extracting from your source material with xylene or toulene (d-limo does not evap completely) and evaporating the solvent, leaving behind "jungle spice." "Jimjam" adds a step (if you go by Snozzleberry's definition alone, and not the WIKI) by salting out these alkaloids that are, according to the analysis, mostly DMT already. Salting out the alkaloids is another step in purification. You can then freebase and smoke or purify it further if you wish. If you are a purist, fine, I get it. Purify until your heart is content, no one will stop you.

(Note: These numbers are in reference to MHRB. ACRB, for instance, has shown NMT can account for 50% or more of the entire alkaloid profile)(source)

I love all forms of DMT, from beautiful crystals to red/orange goop. It is fun to experiment with different purity levels, at least to me. Everyone should be doing some sort of final wash or re-x on the final product before ingesting anyway.
 
according to what tatt says i can post my dmt extraction GS-MS analysis
and mine is pretty golden dmt.... like the colour of the ///////////////// links in the forum extracted with xylene and FASA
and further purification (wich was salting again, filtering and Basing again)x 2
that i don't have the results on paper said 96% and there is an additional 1% NMT so prudently thinking that the remaining 4% is composed by this betacarboline sodium carbonate from the drying process and dust from the shelf i left it to dry.

i mean is a fairly acceptable result no? and i just had some research here and experimenting by my hand.
get a tek, tryed it, failed it, tryed again and find a composite tek that gives me this results...
i would like to see your results and even if that are 100% dmt does it really needs a youtube video?
 

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GordoTEK said:
No, I am not misinformed. Did you even read your own quote? Do you know the difference between pure and contaminated DMT? For the love of trees, stop the madness and fix the site already. The attitude has turned into this clique wanting to keep the knowledge obscured from the rest of the world. You’ll keep outdated TEKs around forever, and delete a thread to a new modern TEK that actually works extremely well, because it contains too many pictures. Sorry, I am rolling my eyes. Done with this place. You can have it to yourselves again. Carry on...


Good. Go promote your tek somewhere else. This is obviously all you are doing. It's your handle for god sake.
I watched your tek on youtube before I flagged it and it had nothing new in it. You are just combining known techniques and calling the end extraction process your own. Ego tripping is what this smells like to me.
What's new here? Do you think nobody else has used a mixer? I have a kitchen aid (but mine is the big stand mixer!) and I've used it before. I get yields that are just as high using the FWFF Q21Q21 tek, without a mixer and a crockpot. And I do a lot less work.

Tell us what's new?

As far as "contaminated dmt" goes, I assume you are referring to plant fats and waxes. I assume your disdain for these substances means you would never drink ayahuasca?

We aren't the ones with attitude problems. You need to take a look at yourself.
 
Dears,
I want to thank you for your reply as the first thing. I need to study lot more. Secondly, I am sorry the discussion that between the member due to my post.
Is there any tek, food safe that actually works? I am little confused now. I will check the extra step for this.

thank you,
Gokulananda Hari
 
Apologies for the derailment of your thread!

As previously mentioned above, you need to freebase your DMT so that it is in proper smoking form. Q21Q21's tek ( both jimjam party and fluffy white funfest) work beautifully. The vinegar/lime tek (jimjam party) is food safe if you use d-limonene.

Were you extracting from Mimosa, acacia, or some other DMT containing plant?
 
TGO said:
Apologies for the derailment of your thread!

As previously mentioned above, you need to freebase your DMT so that it is in proper smoking form. Q21Q21's tek ( both jimjam party and fluffy white funfest) work beautifully. The vinegar/lime tek (jimjam party) is food safe if you use d-limonene.

Were you extracting from Mimosa, acacia, or some other DMT containing plant?

No worries :)
and sorry for delay in the answer, i am extracting from mimosa, since I live in Mexico, where it grows it is the natural option. I have change the xileno for the naphta and i got the crystals, finally!! but still I dont want to use any solvent at all, i am fine with the vinegar and the calcium hidroxide, but i really dont want to use any solvent.
Yesterday i was chatting with a local shaman, and she told me to boil the mimosa root with bee wax for 40 minutes as initial process.. I dont know what we should get from it, I need just to try I think.

any thoughts?
thank you!
gokulananda
 
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