Dr. Strassman on "the effects of too much spice" from a recent interview. Thoughts?

[IceKoldpp]

Well I'm about at that time frame using DMT and I'm new to the site.

I'd say DMT has been less mind breaking than lucid dreaming... but after doing it I definitely feel like I want to tell people stuff and tell them to take DMT and share my ideology. Mostly because trying to get someone to lucid dream, that hasn't yet, has been impossible for me to induce in them. But with DMT.... well, it's a pretty irrefutable experience that can be done in 10 minutes by inhaling the smell of new shoes. So I do like to talk about it to anyone that will listen...
Knowing that drugs don't exactly affect everyone the same throws a wrench in my plans. But I try regardless... I want to tell them "here is proof that we live in a cartoon" but they don't always see it that way.

And I find my approach to being dismissive of ego-loss and aggressive with the entities to be far less shared. It doesn't make me angry though.
But I hope what I say is at least an intelligible concept regardless of agreement, and not doing the "saying something without saying anything," thing.

o dude, if you're not here trying to gather followers for your congregation or direct everyone to your recent literary work based off of your recent newfound love for DMT then you definitely don't fall under the types that i'm referring to in my original post.

actually i can totally relate to wanting to share DMT with friends and family and wanting to tell them ab it. especially in the early days. that's a totally different thing then the "messianic" profile of which i'm referring. hang around here for awhile and you'll see clear examples of what i mean.

i guess the easiest way to specify the difference is
: "holy s**t! i just tried DMT and you have to try it! it's really intense and eye opening and i feel like i may never be same!" (totally normal imo)
and: "i've been on a spiritual journey over the last few months in which i consumed DMT 47 times and unlocked the answers to life and reality, here's my book"

also sidenote. lucid dreaming is something i've had several bouts of obsession trying to learn reliably over my adult life. like have gone months dream journaling and counting my fingers dozens of times a day, checking clocks obsessively, setting my alarm to wake up during rem to stay up for 20min or so then go back to sleep... the whole shabang. have only managed to achieve full lucidity twice. first time what actually triggered it was not recognizing my surroundings then the brute force programming of looking for a clock to verify being awake ACTUALLY WORKED and i looked for a clock and it was all wonky. i then ofcourse got so excited that i woke myself up.. this sucked so much that i gave up on it for awhile (like years).

happy to say though, i've recently revisited said obsession with lucid dreaming (and there's a direct line from my recent time spent with DMT that has led me to start practicing it again along with obe's) and the second time happened during a rare afternoon nap just a few days ago and i managed to stay asleep and have my first full lucid dreaming experience. and i totally agree that it's on a level with DMT in utter weirdness and shock after the fact. really hope i can get better at it and continue exploring.

 

[IceKoldpp]

I am truly sorry if I have somehow devolved this conversation. LOL My bad once again.

By the way, those are the wrong crystals.

You need these ->Delicate crystals for your powerful anus

you 100% have NOT devolved the conversation lol

if someone read the original post and wasn't able to see how there was plenty of room for humor on the subject matter then they're taking themselves far too seriously... or are suffering from a messianic complex

 

[Voidmatrix]

Well I'm about at that time frame using DMT and I'm new to the site.

I'd say DMT has been less mind breaking than lucid dreaming... but after doing it I definitely feel like I want to tell people stuff and tell them to take DMT and share my ideology. Mostly because trying to get someone to lucid dream, that hasn't yet, has been impossible for me to induce in them. But with DMT.... well, it's a pretty irrefutable experience that can be done in 10 minutes by inhaling the smell of new shoes. So I do like to talk about it to anyone that will listen...
Knowing that drugs don't exactly affect everyone the same throws a wrench in my plans. But I try regardless... I want to tell them "here is proof that we live in a cartoon" but they don't always see it that way.

And I find my approach to being dismissive of ego-loss and aggressive with the entities to be far less shared. It doesn't make me angry though.
But I hope what I say is at least an intelligible concept regardless of agreement, and not doing the "saying something without saying anything," thing.

Being too adamant and confident in your anecdotal perspective is part of the symptom Straussman mentions.

It tends to be better to offer people a menu of strategies and potential interpretations and other such things and allow them to decide for themselves.

It's not a good look around here if you're so blinded by your convictions that you're telling people to do DMT.

One love

 

[Ruffles]

And what's up with Strassman? What does he believe? I haven't read a lot of his stuff other than his papers. Sure he must have dealt with all types of deeemeetees reactions and profess about it, but says too little about his own experiences. Playing it safe and neutral for sure, good to stay clean for that possible government approval...

Andrew Gallimore of DMTx fame sometimes verges on the communication with hyperdimensional aliens. Dennis McKenna is out of the cult and on recovery. Stamets started and continues the cult of himself a long time ago. David Nichols plays it cool but sounds like a dude that has tripped heavily but won't share the wise words.

Didn't they also hear the evangelical calling of the psychedelics and went about preaching? (irony?)

 

[IceKoldpp]

if your interested in Strassman's own experiences, he just had a book come out in december called "My Altered States" which is , as far as i know, a compilation of his own personal trip reports on a plethora of substances. i think for a very long time he did keep his personal experience close to his chest for the reason you mentioned. basically to keep his personal rep as spotless as possible so that he could continue to study in this field without limiting funding due to what some may see as a moral failing by experimenting with psychedelics.

Strassman, Gallimore and Mckenna had years of experience and scientific research behind them before they really started to be out in front of ppl spreading the word though. and none of them have ever been trying to claim they have answers and are recruiting followers for thier cult. Just the opposite actually. i think their whole bag has been exploring more of the questions than the answers. i surely wouldn't throw them in the category with new DMT users claiming to have discovered ultimate knowledge and taking said knowledge straight to the nexus. that's not to say that one day they may not be the next Mckenna or Strassman. we all have vast potential and are capable of quite alot. but zeal alone isn't enough. zeal+action+time is the difference i think.

I'm not as familiar with Stamets and Nichols personally so can't comment much on them.

 

[Skr9]

The effect depends on the person. We can not generalize it.

 

[s2cndchance]

Because there's no way to actually prove anything without some preexisting assumptions. Your proof would only work with someone who shares or comes to share your basic assumptions, and there's no way to prove the assumptions themselves. Said on a different way, proofs only make sense for their given set of axioms and deduction rules.
For example, under a different set of assumptions, a DMT experience is "irrefutable proof" that our experience has a purely chemical basis. The point is not that I agree with the latter (I don't), but that one ought to be cautious when feeling completely certain about what a experience means.

There are sufficient shared assumptions.

I'm finding they are literally having a different experience than I am, they are not having the same experience and coming to a different conclusion, which I can at least work with and get something from by determining where our assumptions differ. Rather they are having a different experience and coming to a different conclusion. This makes it a lot harder to know where the assumptions differ.

This is only by talking to them for a report of their experience, of course.

Plenty of people here self report similar experiences though, and have different conclusions, luckily it is very easy to see where our assumptions differ in these cases.

Contrarily my experiences have me leaning on the extreme edge of "perspective difference."

I don't know if there is a soul/spirit/buddha. If I had to bet, at the moment I'd hazard not every body has one. And those that do, are not necessarily permanent allocations unto death. The assumption of some spirit/souls concept + the assumption of it as a necessity amongst human bodies... this would certainly not fit right in my head at the moment. This is a large part of my interest in seeing how DMT plays out with people external to me and journaling them.

You can read all about it in my messianic book... heh, jk...

 

[s2cndchance]

also sidenote. lucid dreaming is something i've had several bouts of obsession trying to learn reliably over my adult life. like have gone months dream journaling and counting my fingers dozens of times a day, checking clocks obsessively, setting my alarm to wake up during rem to stay up for 20min or so then go back to sleep... the whole shabang. have only managed to achieve full lucidity twice. first time what actually triggered it was not recognizing my surroundings then the brute force programming of looking for a clock to verify being awake ACTUALLY WORKED and i looked for a clock and it was all wonky. i then ofcourse got so excited that i woke myself up.. this sucked so much that i gave up on it for awhile (like years).

happy to say though, i've recently revisited said obsession with lucid dreaming (and there's a direct line from my recent time spent with DMT that has led me to start practicing it again along with obe's) and the second time happened during a rare afternoon nap just a few days ago and i managed to stay asleep and have my first full lucid dreaming experience. and i totally agree that it's on a level with DMT in utter weirdness and shock after the fact. really hope i can get better at it and continue exploring.

I made a post about my experience with Lucid Dreams and some drugs. Galantamine may interest you in tandem with WB2B. The only other tedious thing that has worked for me is hooking myself up to an EEG that auto scores for rem to wake me up. Expensive and impractical but that's the only thing that really worked in the most reliable way. At the moment I have 1-2 a week, and I record almost 6 dreams a day. That's about 1 in 30 dreams. Absolutely infuriating, yet higher than the vast majority.

and there are these other people that self report doing it a lot that have little to no difficulty just using their imagination. Makes me wonder.