Dxm Extraction

[DudeMeetTyler]

So some reading on dxm extraction was done and it seems like a simple STB... but some questions are still unanswered...
For a product containing on dxm HBr..

- could one use any base? ie sodium carbonate or NaOH?
- and what pH should be achieved? (because in other teks it simply says equal parts ammonia and syrup, with no mention of pH)

- is there a specific ratio of naphtha to dxm that should be used? (others suggest ~1/10th)

- could one stop after the naphtha pull leaving dxm freebase? if so could you freeze precipitate it out of the naphtha?
- and then mix with lemon juice when ready to consume?

- or could one evap the citric acid solution, leaving dxm citrate(?)..?


Thanks,
The dude

Edit: or even simpler yet, should one use a simple water extraction, some say the solubility of dxm hbr is 1.5 g / 100 ml, is this right?

 

[gibran2]

This isn’t a DXM forum.

 

[gammagore]

Im sure ive seen this question before here at the Nexus, Tylerdude, do a search for it, I found 20 pages of results for "dxm"

 

[DudeMeetTyler]

I realize that, but ive seen other posts on subjects other than spice though and thought it was all good. Feel free to delete it if need be, I wouldnt want to offend any one...

And I did search, and read about it but the specifics were still unclear, perhaps i wasnt looking in the right place. Just thought you guys would know better than most, (even though its not pertaining spice... it is essentially the same idea, with obviously different end results)

 

[dumbstruck]

I do not know any answers to your query. I just figured I would let you know (if you are unaware) there is an absurdly easy method to extract Dextromethorphan Polistirex. Pour syrup into container, pour a lot of water into container, shake, wait 2 hours, pour off liquid. = powder. I am not sure if this removes the polistirex leaving you a dxm freebase or not but I doubt it. I bet you could freebase and re-salt it yourself if you did not want the time release coating.

edit: Heh, link helps. Hip Forums

 

[StatuesCryBleeding]

As Gibran2 mentioned, this is not a dxm forum and certainly not the best place to ask a dxm related question. However, I do feel compelled to point you in the right direction. You can find lots of info on this with the two links bellow:

The Dextroverse - DXM Extractions

and

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=80

Cheers,
StatuesCryBleeding

 

[Ayawasqero]

Honest thanks for advices!

 

[Xt]

I would just note this isn't the place to normally find DXM info. In fact at the risk of sounding snobbish, many people consider DXM a damaging substance. I wont get into the specifics, if you want to know then do a search for DXM long term effects or something.

Can we possibly recommend not using DXM and recommend some healing Ayahuasca instead? It would be simpler to prepare and possibly more healthy & rewarding.

 

[jfreak]

yeah disassociatives can have a negative side to them, but don't discount it's usefulness as a tool for inner exploration. Disassociatives have given me some of the most profound experiences of my life. although some personalities seek the peace and escape addictive most people are quite happy to experience it once or twice and to learn from it which I think is just fine considering proper research, dosage, and caution is observed. I mean i know this is a dmt forum, but aren't all kinds of other things discussed includings synths and such? why the bias towards dxm? because of the addictive potential? or potential brain damage? the low ld50?

 

[MaNoMaNoM]

(Read the notice right above where you are posting)

No, synthesis talk is NOT aloud at all on this forum.
Just an opinion but, DXM is completely useless trash.
This is from personal experience with the pure stuff.
Please do not waist any more of your time and health.

 

[shanedudddy2]

Personally, I really hate DXM. It is far worse than every dissociative that i have tried.
This is coming from someone who adores the mental conundrum of the ketamine experience!
Have you tried DXM before? I find its body load terrible...even the positive effects feels like a hybrid between poisoning, mild dissociation and alcohol intoxication.

 

[Entheogenerator]

(Read the notice right above where you are posting)

No, synthesis talk is NOT aloud at all on this forum.

I think he was referring to synthetics, not synthesis.

 

[shanedudddy2]

Synthetics ? o_0
I`d say it's a grey area, since it would be extraction, rather than synthesis.
Never the less, DXM is horrid, so it's best to stay away from it.
I think this forum should be restricted to the extraction of psychedelics from plants, rather than the extraction of psycho-actives from pills and such.
If you really wish to go ahead with it, it'd be best to go to drug forum/bluelight etc, and ask over there.

 

[DreaMTripper]

I think most psycedelics and dissociatives have a benefit if respected and taken jn moderation with safety precautions adhered to. Level 2.5/3 plateax sounds interesing but the means to get there and the other side effects put me right off.

The nexus is all about entheogens not pharmaceuticals or extractions from those products, DXM doesnt have a place here sorry.
Does anyone know if DXM has been found in nature?

 

[Entheogenerator]

Does anyone know if DXM has been found in nature?

No, it has not. It is a semi-synthetic synthetic opioid that is derived from morphine. It was first patented in 1954 when the CIA was looking for a nonaddictive alternative to codeine and morphine.

 

[Du57mi73]

Does anyone know if DXM has been found in nature?

No, it has not. It is a semi-synthetic synthetic opioid that is derived from morphine. It was first patented in 1954 when the CIA was looking for a nonaddictive alternative to codeine and morphine.

It definitely eliminates pain.

 

[Entheogenerator]

It definitely eliminates pain.

In my experience it has to some extent, but not nearly as effectively as other opiates that are more commonly used to treat pain.

 

[Du57mi73]

It definitely eliminates pain.

In my experience it has to some extent, but not nearly as effectively as other opiates that are more commonly used to treat pain.

Have you ever taken 1g of DXM. It doesn't just "kill pain", it completely eliminates it. Its 100x stronger at analgesia than oxycodone, imho.

 

[dreamer042]

I don't know of any rules specifically forbidding talk of dxm extraction here, it does appear we need to fill in the wiki; so in lieu of linking you our wiki I'll go ahead and link you to the erowid dxm vault and the dxm faq for good safety information.

All that taken care of, this is a simple a/b extraction which is pretty much what we do here so lets field these questions.

- could one use any base? ie sodium carbonate or NaOH?
- and what pH should be achieved? (because in other teks it simply says equal parts ammonia and syrup, with no mention of pH)
Yes you can use most any base; sodium carb is fine, lye is fine. IIRC ammonia pushes the ph up around 10 so I'd shoot for 10 or above, sodium carb usually pushes it up around 11 so that will work fine. If you are doing syrup as a source I would mix it 1:1 with sodium carb saturated water, if using pills I would dissolve them in water and then proceed with the 1:1 mixture. Same procedure with lye this will give a ph of around 13-14 most likely, plenty more than sufficient.

- is there a specific ratio of naphtha to dxm that should be used? (others suggest ~1/10th)
The ratio doesn't matter all that much, the idea is to use the minimum amount you need to pull while still using enough to make it easy to work with, 1/10 should be fine, feel free to use more or less it's not a big deal.

- could one stop after the naphtha pull leaving dxm freebase? if so could you freeze precipitate it out of the naphtha?
- and then mix with lemon juice when ready to consume?
Yes you can stop at freebase, dxm is fine to eat in its freebase form, the dosage is a little lower so adjust accordingly. I'm not sure if it would precip out, this would be an interesting experiment to try. Yes you can mix the freebase with lemon juice and take it that way.

- or could one evap the citric acid solution, leaving dxm citrate(?)..?
Yes assuming you are using an agent lemon style tek where you salt the dxm from the non polar solvent to lemon juice you could evap this up, though it will likely leave you with a hard to work with goo.

edit: oops I forgot to even check the date hehe I figured it was a new thread. Be feelin silly now. Oh well at least the information is here if others need it.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I realize this thread is three years old, but since it seems to have been revived, I feel like I should throw in my two cents. Perhaps someone else on The Nexus will be curious about DXM extraction in the future and see this thread.

In my experience, freebase DXM can be kind of stubborn when it comes to the evaporation stage. I'd say in about 1/3 of the freebase extractions I have done, the NPS evaporated off completely leaving DXM goo in the bottom of the dish, but it just wouldn't crystallize. The majority of freebase extractions I did have turned out just fine, but sometimes it just didn't want to crystallize and it just stayed in this clear gel-like state. I tried exposing the gel to different temperatures and scoring the goo (which has worked a few times), but it still just wouldn't solidify.

Personally, I would recommend that a person go ahead and convert to salt. I have never taken freebase straight, but I have read many different reports of people taking large amounts (several hundred milligrams) and feeling no effect, or experiencing a significantly delayed onset, due to the very slow absorption rate of DXM freebase. If one does decide to go the freebase route, I'd say their best bet would probably be to mix it with lemon or orange juice so it converts to DXM citrate, as dreamer042 recommended.

Instead of using lemon juice, a person could make a citric acid solution, use it to salt the DXM out of their NPS, and then evaporate. From my understanding, one would have to calculate exactly how much citric acid to use in order to avoid having a lot left over in their final product. I had the formula for figuring this out with different acids in my notes somewhere, but I can't remember it offhand.

I have salted out DXM with citric, ascorbic, acetic, and hydrochloric acid. Citric acid and ascorbic acid left me with nice, off-white crystals, but after about 2-3 weeks they had degraded to a sticky orange substance. So I wouldn't recommend citric or ascorbic acid if you intend to store it for more than a few days. Acetic acid left me with a sticky final product the color and consistency of caramel. I tested the vinegar ahead of time and it evaporated cleanly, so I'm not sure what happened there. If I ever decided to extract DXM again, I think I would probably go with HCl. The molecular mass is pretty close to that of HBr, any excess HCl would evaporate off so I wouldn't have to worry about any leftover in my final product, and it seems to have the longest shelf life, next to freebase.