easiest method for a T Bridgesii first timer?

[I am.]

SWIM just got 4 12" T Bridgesii cuttings. first timer. swim's taken mescaline capsuls handful of times but never prepared anything or dealt with cacti. swim sees all the teks for tea and resin but swim thinks it'd be best off to just slice it up using phlux's prep tek Working with fresh cactus - a pictoral. - Cultivation - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus.

then, from what swim's been told and read, if he sets the green skin out to jerky up, he can just munch on that, provided he can handle the taste. swim sees teks for the tea using the white flesh, too. is that just a "well...we're already doing it to one part...why not the other?" kinda deal or should swim eat the white flesh, too?

swim's read that most people will consume about a 12" cutting per experience, after fasting the day before and starting to eat the cactus jerky in the morning. so his plan is to cut up the cactus, keep only the green skin and let it dry (sun dry or low oven heat depending on weather). once it's prepared, he'll set aside until the weekend. he'll fast on friday and then wake up saturday morning and start eating. probably eat about 3/4 of the jerky.

does this seem like a good plan? if it's wasteful or wrong, please say so. swim looked around, searched "best way to ingest cactus","dry cactus vs tea". all swim found was extraction teks and common dosages. swim has been told that after a couple tea parties, most people just start eating the jerky. that is a 20oz water bottle next to the cuttings (for size reference).

 

[ifoundwaldo]

Your plan sounds fine.

Might be better to take it one step further:

After drying, grind to a powder.
Capsulize in 000 capsules.
Swallow the capsules slowly throughout the course of 1.5 hours or so.

Removing the taste will remove some of the nausea, although you will still probably feel a good amount.

 

[I am.]

Your plan sounds fine.

Capsulize in 000 capsules.
Swallow the capsules slowly throughout the course of 1.5 hours or so.

Removing the taste will remove some of the nausea, although you will still probably feel a good amount.

awesome. thanks. swim saw the grinding up and capsulizing on another site but wasn't too sold on it. ok. 000 capsules. any advice on how full to make capsules? swim has pretty precise scales so weight shouldn't be a problem. but if you had a ball park of how much to pack in each (weight or volume), that'd be great. i'll still go with the 3/4 cutting. also, thanks for the time table. i was wondering that myself.

 

[ifoundwaldo]

As full as possible. The capsules will fit 1300mg or so.

You'll probably have to fill 30 or so.

IMHO, eat a full 12" as well.

 

[I am.]

IMHO, eat a full 12" as well.

otay. will do. any tricks to help with the nausea?

 

[ifoundwaldo]

IMHO, eat a full 12" as well.

otay. will do. any tricks to help with the nausea?

There isn't much you can realistically do-- short of a full-on extraction.

Some ginger caps, some ganja, eating them on an empty stomach... perhaps some diphenhydramine (though I have no experience with this).

Nausea has always been a non-issue for me owing to my cast-iron stomach (can be a blessing and a curse).

 

[reflexion]

3 datura stramonium seed reportedly cancel out the nausea, but add some stimulation.

 

[soulfood]

I wouldn't bother drying. I'd just slice the fresh columns like a cucumber and do 3 boils, 1, 1, then 3 hours, or basically just repeat until the plant matter no longer tastes bitter at all. Then slowly boil the liquids down to a toffee-like resin. In my experience I only get nausea when I drink straight tea and high doses with resin always seem to go very smoothly.

Using straight cactus powder you will be consuming around 2x + the amount of solids you need to consume and it's good to keep your stomach as empty as possible for a smoother ride.

 

[Apoc]

or, if you don't want to ingest the cactus itself, cut the edges, cook them for 6 hours. Reduce it either in the oven, or very low heat until there's no water left. You'll be left with a resin. Scrape it up, roll it in flour, and you can eat whenever you want.

 

[Magicman]

yeah i man i recently did my first stuff with bridgesii , all i did was takeoff the thorns, cut up the cactus as much as i could. add it to a pot with water and vinegar . i used all the flesh , and only boiled for an hour dude. also , i even had dinner about two hours before the experience and all turned out well for me , granted on a few levels i could have done that better, but all's well that ends well. And the nausea stops as soon as you start tripping , just in case you didnt know. so its not the biggest worry.

 

[Zzzarathustra]

Your plan sounds fine.



Removing the taste will remove some of the nausea, although you will still probably feel a good amount.

does it last throughout the whole trip or just during the come up ?

 

[GratefulDad]

The nausea just lasts through the come up, but cactus tastes horrid in any way you do it. Resin is probably easy to make into small chunks and swallow. If you do the powder, I wouldn't use capsules, because for me they take longer to break down, and if I eat em all at once, when they all break open in my stomach, it seems a lot worse than gradually downing some dried powder in some spoonfuls with just a bit of water or some sort of acidic juice to wash it down and help remove the taste.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

Wow, be careful with consuming a foot of bridgesii, it might be a larger dose than you expect. I have had a lot of activity from a cutting of bridgesii that was two inches wide and four inches long. In terms of grams 250 of fresh plant should be plenty if the material is good, maybe even on the strong side.

Also some alkaloids do not dissolve well into tea, there are quite a few people who swear by eating whole cactus and who also report far more activity per weight ingested than in comparison to those who take tea or extractions made from the same amount.

One of the best informed people I have bad the pleasure of consulting regarding this stated that the notion that bridgesii had some potentiation due to to MAOI was likely due to the ingestion of more mescaline than was anticipated, likewise more than could be extracted, this person told me that often in terms of extraction that the resulting yields represented something like only sixty percent of the mescaline present, in other words more people should compare bridgesii based experiences to larger doses of mescaline, some of those who feel that bridgesii contains a MAOI may never have taken a gram of mescaline and thus cannot tell the difference between potentiation and true dose larger than can be obtained via extraction. In study a pharmacologically significant amount of mescaline can be found in the basic solution and fails to transfer into the NP solvent in most conventional extractions. This is to say that no extraction method to date exhausts the marc of alkaloid, despite belief to the contrary.

 

[The Day Tripper]

Wow, be careful with consuming a foot of bridgesii, it might be a larger dose than you expect. I have had a lot of activity from a cutting of bridgesii that was two inches wide and four inches long. In terms of grams 250 of fresh plant should be plenty if the material is good, maybe even on the strong side.

Also some alkaloids do not dissolve well into tea, there are quite a few people who swear by eating whole cactus and who also report far more activity per weight ingested than in comparison to those who take tea or extractions made from the same amount.

One of the best informed people I have bad the pleasure of consulting regarding this stated that the notion that bridgesii had some potentiation due to to MAOI was likely due to the ingestion of more mescaline than was anticipated, likewise more than could be extracted, this person told me that often in terms of extraction that the resulting yields represented something like only sixty percent of the mescaline present, in other words more people should compare bridgesii based experiences to larger doses of mescaline, some of those who feel that bridgesii contains a MAOI may never have taken a gram of mescaline and thus cannot tell the difference between potentiation and true dose larger than can be obtained via extraction. In study a pharmacologically significant amount of mescaline can be found in the basic solution and fails to transfer into the NP solvent in most conventional extractions. This is to say that no extraction method to date exhausts the marc of alkaloid, despite belief to the contrary.

What about dryteks with lime and limo? I think its absolutely possible to get all the alkaloids out if you are careful, diligent and patient when extracting. Boiling cactus in acids/bases can cyclize the phens into tetryhydroisoquiniolones. Having water in your basic polar phase can hold mescaline freebase, but if you do a resin tek never going above low to evap, then fb with lime and dry/powder, acetone or dlimo can get a high % of mescaline out if not all. BTW, yields going this route have been high for swim, upwards of 600mg from a 3x3" cutting and 18g dried, both bridgesii, same batch.

I can also attest to differing results from extracted resin, cleaned and rextyl'd mescaline fumarate, and bridgesii tea, so i think there's not only maois, but a plethora of alkaloids including flavinoids, and other phens, possible stronger/synergistic analogous of mescaline. I believe some of these alkaloids are changed/destroyed in different extraction processes.

The only way i can see to get a full spectrum cactus experience without eating strait cactus is to blend, defoam overnight with gentle water bath heating, then squeeze out all of the cactus water, filter extensively, and evap it without heat, just fans. Then add more water and repeat. Swim adds small amounts of fumaric acid on his later pulls as well. Freezing can also help free up more alkaloids.

This will prevent any changes to the alkaloids afaik due to heat/ph instability. As well as keeping the stuff that gets destroyed by high ph or is not soluble in your solvent of choice.

Should be a nice crystally resin, without all the goop that comes with long/hot cooking times.