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Easiest rue extraction?

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SHroomtroll

SHroomtroll

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I have alot of rue that i would like to do an extract of, i´m not to picky about it being 100% clean i just wan´t the harmalas somewhat isolated with most of the toxins out.

Ive done gibrans tek a few times on caapi and that was easy enough but it seems that most of the rue teks require alot more work.

So if i had to choose the easiest way to get a somewhat clean product what would that be?
 
I've hear acidification with fumaric acid, HCL or white vinegar works. Saturating the solution with salt (with solubility constants) and then freeze precipitation.
 
Rue extracts are harder to filter than caapi, something in the rue likes to slow the flow. But once you have your filtered, reduced solution, you can either use base or salt. I use a combination, base, salt, salt, base. Just remember to acidify with vinegar and filter again if going from basing to salting. Whether using salt or base, you just keep decanting and adding base/salt solution after each precipitation, it gets cleaner each time. But the more times you precipitate, with either salt or base, you will lose yield, supposedly more with basing. I actually prefer to use ammonia in the last stage for the same reason vinegar and HCL are great as acids, the surplus will evaporate.

For the simplest, use salt one time. Two would be the minimum I would do. You want to use salt at least one time, because basing precipitates the non-harmala alkaloids that would otherwise stay dissolved in salty water. For me, the filtering is what takes the most of my effort, letting the precipitates settle during the washing takes the most time. If you don't do the basing as a final stage, you get salty harmalas that taste bad and will be full of salt, so it's a good idea to do that at least once after the salt washes. Freebased harmalas can be smoked, and are better for sublingual because of the taste.
 
To avoid the filtration difficulties you can just boil the heck out of the whole seeds.
I did 5 extractions, 3 with ground seeds and 2 with whole. There was no distinct correlation with yield except the 0% I got from just soaking the whole seeds the range was 1.5%-3.5% with the min and max being ground-seed extractions.

also grinding all the seeds is a pain, with 5 runs through my coffee grinder there were still >25% whole seeds.
It is very simple when you don't have to filter for literally hours. I did an extractions on 2 lbs of esphand which was like 6 bucks, whole seeds.
I still over 3 grams of mostly-harmine and I gave away the mostly-harmaline cause I don't really like it's effects.

Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me wiki.dmt-nexus.me
Just follow this exactly but don't grind the seeds and it will work great. Don't get put off by the PH-meter talk. The alternative (which is mentioned) is using baking soda to get mostly-harmine and sodium carbonate to get the mostly-harmaline.
 
You can check out the Tao of Rue in my sig.

It's based off of the link that Q21 posted but just gives some alternatives on how to do it.

If you're not too picky about the purity, you could make some syrian resin by just soaking the seeds in alcohol for a couple of weeks or more, filter and evap the alcohol. That'll leave you with a gooey product that will never dry completely but is highly effective. I don't remember the dosage I took but it was quite different than pure harmalas or whole seeds. Something all it's own. Not sure how well it would do with changa but it probably wouldn't do too bad. I rolled it into little balls and ate those. I never smoked any.

Either way, I wish ya luck!
 
SHroomtroll said:
I have alot of rue that i would like to do an extract of, i´m not to picky about it being 100% clean i just wan´t the harmalas somewhat isolated with most of the toxins out.

Ive done gibrans tek a few times on caapi and that was easy enough but it seems that most of the rue teks require alot more work.

So if i had to choose the easiest way to get a somewhat clean product what would that be?
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Didn't notice this thread until today.

The caapi TEK works almost as well with rue. There are a bit more impurities in rue than in caapi, so some of the settling/decanting steps are slower, but other than that, it's the same process.
 
best tek I have done with rue was just 2 manske's and then 2 water re-xtals..with really good filtering and decanting before each manske salt.

The hcl will rextal if you dissolve them in minimal ammount of hot water and then cool to the point where the water is just about to freeze..the crystals should then drop right back out of solution without having to salt it..I grew nice light amber harmala hcl crystals that way. I dont see the point in freebase so I keep them as salts.
 
Melodic Cat, is there any additional info available on the alcohol extract that? I mean, I get how it's done, but am wondering about what's in the goo, effects and all of that.
 
Sorry to hijack, but i have a quick question, Im going to be using the "Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide", is the Sodium Bicarbonate just baking soda that i can pick up from the supermarket?

cheers
 
3rdI said:
Sorry to hijack, but i have a quick question, Im going to be using the "Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide", is the Sodium Bicarbonate just baking soda that i can pick up from the supermarket?

cheers
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yep indeed, that baking soda is bicarbonate sodium.
 
Nice this gave me some good ideas indeed, i will probably try the ipa soak with whole seeds and make a small batch of changa to see how it´s different from caapi changa.

for brews ive started to just grind the seeds and cap them with 50/50 ginger powder with zero nausea :p
 
Bedazzle said:
Melodic Cat, is there any additional info available on the alcohol extract that? I mean, I get how it's done, but am wondering about what's in the goo, effects and all of that.
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Sorry, I didn't see this until now.

Well, it's somewhere in between eating ground, raw rue seeds and taking the extracted harmalas.

When you eat ground rue, it tends to take a lot out of you. There are a lot of tannins and I'm reluctant to say toxins but it's a pretty accurate term for some of the alks that rue contains.

I haven't taken raw rue too many times but I remember the last time I did, the next day felt very similar to a dirty ecstasy hangover. I'm sure not everyone has this type of hangover; I'm just speaking from personal experience.

When you take pure extracted harmalas, you get all of the intoxication effects but not nearly as much of the body load that you get with raw rue. It's rare to get a hangover or ill effects the next day when your harmalas are nice and pure.

The alcohol extract is a nice balance between the two. It's more of a body load but not so bad that it kicks your ass for a day or so afterward like raw rue can.

I can't really help out on the dosages. It's been well over a year since I tried the alcohol rue resin. If I recall correctly, I soaked 10g of raw rue in alcohol for several weeks, strained and evaporated the alcohol and left the resin to sit for over a month in the hopes that it would dry up. It never did. I assume there was an end yield of around 2g of resin. (I never weighed it so I don't know for sure)

I'd roll little balls of resin up between my fingers and swallow them whole. I'd say each resin ball was about 1/4 of a gram and I'd usually take at least two of 'em for a total of .5g for effects.

I need to try it again here soon.
 
SHroomtroll said:
Nice this gave me some good ideas indeed, i will probably try the ipa soak with whole seeds and make a small batch of changa to see how it´s different from caapi changa.

for brews ive started to just grind the seeds and cap them with 50/50 ginger powder with zero nausea :p
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bad idea about the IPA soak. First of all IPA is a horrible solvents for harmalas, so it will be very wasteful, and also because there are other alkaloids (Vasicine/vasicinone/deoxyvasicine) in peganum harmala, and we dont know much about their effects when smoking and so on..

Extract from peganum harmala with a salt-saturating step to remove other alkaloids and freebase it to smoke, I think its more efficient
 
I have to second what Endlessness said about not using IPA.

Use ethanol (everclear) if at all possible.

I usually use methanol for changa but I'd be seriously reluctant to use it for the rue resin because of the way the natural oils in the extract keep it from drying out. There is no telling what it's gonna stay trapped in there.

At least if you use ethanol you don't have to worry about being poisoned.

I'd also second Endlessness' recommendation not to smoke the resin. Something tells me that it would be pretty rough on the lungs. Especially if there is any alcohol trapped in it anywhere.
 
Thanks mel, and endlessness. I'll definately give the IPA a try. I've always liked rue tea and can't remember a bad hangover ever, so I have no problem with the "other stuff" that's in rue. I'm merely wondering about alternate ways to enjoy the rue is all.
 
Bedazzle said:
Thanks mel, and endlessness. I'll definately give the IPA a try. I've always liked rue tea and can't remember a bad hangover ever, so I have no problem with the "other stuff" that's in rue. I'm merely wondering about alternate ways to enjoy the rue is all.
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You don't wanna use IPA.

Use Everclear. :)
 
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