Entities protecting us as we journey with them?

[SmoovPnCali]

My Fellow Voyagers,

So I just got back from a strange journey. I finally had an hour to myself so I decided to take full advantage.

First, let me set this up for you. I am slow cooking beans and ham on the stove for dinner tonight. Making Beans and Cornbread. Yes I am a HillBilly.

Anyway, grabbed the GVG and hit the couch. Load up 50mgs and away I go. I am transported to a place where I am in front of a wall with TONS of ever changing Eqyptian Glifs. I watch them swirl and shift. Out of my peripheral view I see the Egyptian God Horus approaching me. This is the second time I have encountered him but the first time it was a one-on-one with him. He puts his arm around my essence (as I had no sense of my physical body) and begins to explain the Glifs to me. He stops abruptly and pulls away from me and tells me I need to leave.

WOOOSH!

I am back in my body and open my eyes. Everything is distorted badly. I sit there for a few minutes when I hear the slightest sound coming from the kitchen. I realize the beans and ham are boiling over in the kitchen. :shock: I manage to get up and fumble into the kitchen and deal with the situation.

Up til I sat there on the couch and was trying to clear my head, I had NO IDEA what was happening in the kitchen. In fact, the sounds from the kitchen were muffled my the music I had on to journey by. I believe Horus was protecting my physical body from harm. I have a gas stove and the beans boiling over could have put out the fire leaving only gas.

Not only did Horus protect me....he saved Dinner!:thumb_up:

Has anyone ever had this happen to them? Could the Entities actually be watching over our physical bodies while we journey with them?

Much love...

 

[fairbanks]

I have a non-dualistic perspective on this, so the entities are not really separate from me, but are apart of me! They're manifestations of my intention and intuition. Just like your intuition helps you when sober, I believe during a psychedelic exp this is magnified through macro-manifestations of entities as our intuition. Kinda explains why we learn so much from these experiences and real-ize our mind.

Our thoughts form into hallucinations which is fascinating. It can be a wake up call if you're suppressing your intuition and then go into these altering states.

 

[Digital Machine]

I have a non-dualistic perspective on this, so the entities are not really separate from me, but are apart of me! They're manifestations of my intention and intuition.

This may be the case, or there is also the possibility that there is "Other" were some information or insight is obtained. I personally lean towards its a complex system of both "yourself" and "other". Of-course one could get philosophical and say that too is the same.

 

[fairbanks]

I feel you, but most of my altered states have re-minded me of the oneness of reality. IMO keeping a dualistic POV is just holding onto the ego.

 

[Digital Machine]

I feel you, but most of my altered states have re-minded me of the oneness of reality. IMO keeping a dualistic POV is just holding onto the ego.

I am totally on board for the oneness of reality (and beyond). I guess I liken it more like a fractal. You have the ONE fractal that is infinite. At any point in the fractal is the center of the fractal. Yet without the rest of the fractals there can be no ONE fractal. But that is just a model. I have not come to any real conclusions in a believe system yet but is fun to contemplate. I am open to many ideas and models of reality.

I like your idea of not holding onto the ego. I guess I see the ego as part of this bio machine that forms a necessity for the animal body to survive in this harsh planet. Beyond this realm tho I imagine there don't appear to be much use for one.(although I could be wrong on this too) But just like the word, enlightenment, many people have there own definition of what and Ego is.

 

[fairbanks]

But the fractal as a whole is still one, it is non-dualistic so any sense of separation is illusion.

Regardless, I don't think we should perceive the entire universe(s) as a fractal. That's too simple, aesthetic yes, but not quite enough complex. It goes beyond that.

The Universe Isn't a Fractal, Study Finds

 

[Adam1111]

My Fellow Voyagers,

So I just got back from a strange journey. I finally had an hour to myself so I decided to take full advantage.

First, let me set this up for you. I am slow cooking beans and ham on the stove for dinner tonight. Making Beans and Cornbread. Yes I am a HillBilly.

Anyway, grabbed the GVG and hit the couch. Load up 50mgs and away I go. I am transported to a place where I am in front of a wall with TONS of ever changing Eqyptian Glifs. I watch them swirl and shift. Out of my peripheral view I see the Egyptian God Horus approaching me. This is the second time I have encountered him but the first time it was a one-on-one with him. He puts his arm around my essence (as I had no sense of my physical body) and begins to explain the Glifs to me. He stops abruptly and pulls away from me and tells me I need to leave.

WOOOSH!

I am back in my body and open my eyes. Everything is distorted badly. I sit there for a few minutes when I hear the slightest sound coming from the kitchen. I realize the beans and ham are boiling over in the kitchen. :shock: I manage to get up and fumble into the kitchen and deal with the situation.

Up til I sat there on the couch and was trying to clear my head, I had NO IDEA what was happening in the kitchen. In fact, the sounds from the kitchen were muffled my the music I had on to journey by. I believe Horus was protecting my physical body from harm. I have a gas stove and the beans boiling over could have put out the fire leaving only gas.

Not only did Horus protect me....he saved Dinner!:thumb_up:

Has anyone ever had this happen to them? Could the Entities actually be watching over our physical bodies while we journey with them?

Much love...

I have no experience with DMT as of yet, what attracted me to it is out of body experiences that I have had through trance meditation. Do you think the two are related in anyway?

 

[fairbanks]

Most definitely Adam! I think OBEs thru yoga, meditation, psychedelics, music/dance trance, REM sleep astral projection, are all just different paths toward the same state/space of non-dualistic reality aka oneness. IMHO.

 

[universecannon]

I don't know if the youniverse is actually a fractal, but it definitely has some profound fractal qualities (hyperspace even moreso). Its fascinating still the same :]

Regardless, i don't think the idea of contacting other organisms or Other forms of consciousness means we are clinging to the ego and taking a dualistic perspective, per se. I don't think it is always so either/or and so simple. I mean you can look at it that way..but theres a lot of ways to look at it, as we all know. It could very well be stranger than we can even imagine..What if they are entities existing outside of ourselves but inside of us simultaneously?

I've had several experiences, especially with high doses of salvia and dmt, where i literally experienced becoming all of the friends i was with at the time, all at once. It was complete oneness on a visceral, reality shattering level. I've also met entities that seemed distinctly to exit apart from myself, which i could also merge with, or sometimes seemed connected with my psyche in peculiar ways..and other times they distinctly informed me that they have their own existence but are part of the universal oneness as well

Due to my experiences and studying all this for a while I tend to think that the imagination is itself non-local in nature.. so what we are contacting is us, but not us, simultaneously..in a sense..(of course if thats the case you could just say its all one and there is no Other, so in a sense thats true to, and perhaps more true since it goes on in what seems to be a deeper level or mode of being..) So we can come to a realization and experience of the oneness of all things, and recognize that at some level we may be contacting "Other" entities..to me these two perspectives don't necessarily stand at odds with each other, depending on how you look at it. semantics do get in the way a bit here though

 

[fairbanks]

Regardless, i don't think the idea of contacting other organisms or Other forms of consciousness means we are clinging to the ego and taking a dualistic perspective, per se.

I'm not saying that contacting entities means you're clinging to ego. I'm saying that viewing them as separate from you is ego reinforcement. It's the same thought process as human superiority/separation from animals, nature, & earth :lol: ... James Fadiman (Ph.D) and Martin Ball (Ph.D) have put out a lot of good stuff about non-dualism in relation to altered states. If we realize the oneness of the youniverse, then why bother separating ourselves from everything, doing that just reinforces the ego IMO.

 

[universecannon]

Well i guess i just disagree to a point. I can recognize that animals, nature, and the earth aren't really separate from me, but that i do indeed perceive them to be separate on some level- even if that level is partly an illusion

I mean when i encounter a technologically sophisticated 1000 armed hyperdimensional Mantid on what they clearly explain to be nothing less than another planet sitting in another galaxy altogether.. i mean yea sure we are one on some deep deep level, but it'd be silly not to recognize that on another level it is a separate being and not just another aspect of my psyche (although it may also be that on some level, as i explained earlier). It seems odd to brush all of these sorts of encounters under the rug as ONLY aspects of the psyche..And when we recognize that they may be autonomous beings of their own in another dimension or place in space/time to just wave that perspective off as reinforcing the ego

I don't think Martin W Ball is really saying anything new at all. His book on mushrooms gave me the impression he had very little experience with them and he takes such an elitist attitude. He basically points figures at anyone who disagrees with him, saying they're just stroking their own ego..meanwhile he comes off as extremely egotistical and dogmatic, claiming that he alone literally holds the absolute truth of the nature of the universe. He has said this countless times and its just a joke. He actually got in quite a brush with this community a few years back and his true colors came out...And just ask Pandora how he is in person.. Not to mention he's basically a charlatan and charges 200$ for things that most nexians and psychonauts would do for free -__-

 

[fairbanks]

I don't agree with Martin's pragmatic approach, or his fractal views, but his assertions on non-dualism and interconnectedness are very real for me. He got his masters degree & PhD in Religious Studies w/ emphasis on Native American traditions, Philosophy of Science and Religion, and the Phenomenology of Mystical and Shamanic Experience. He did his PhD dissertation on the Apache Nation's Mescalero tradition. So you can see where his views on interconnectedness come from. He definitely gets a little dogmatic with his approach in saying that people who don't embrace this interconnectedness have ego attachment. But what about the rest of philosophy and native traditions that have been saying this, apart from the overbearing approach that Martin gives...

I understand he got a lot of hate from the nexus after his article on Terrence McKenna. But where was the hate when Dennis McKenna, Brian Akers, Bruce Damer, vindicated the points about TM's exp and his ego etc? TM was a dualist who made a lot of lofty assertions on the psychedelic experience, and most of his peers from Rupert Sheldrake, Ralph Metzner, as well as his own brother dismissed.

If you look at most of Martin's lectures and talks they're for events that charge a $5-10 cover fee... Most of Terrence McKenna's lecture's from Burning Man to Esalen were hundreds of dollars, so who is the real charlatan? Sure Martin may have charged $200 to do PERSONAL sessions and counselling, but that's no different than a regular therapist charge.

In regards to Pandora's comments about Martin chasing after younger women I thought that was completely absurd. He was married at that time (2010)! Please send me some stuff showing Martin as egotistical. The threads on the nexus about him are all ad hominem, nobody on here has actually critiqued his work, just his teaching style. Regardless his views on interconnectedness and non-dualism hold true for me as well as many native peoples of the world.

 

[gualapa]

@Smoov wow, that's amazing! I recall reading a couple reports where something similar happened.

I've got to add beans and cornbread sound amazing... I love cornbread, never had them with beans though, haha

 

[Lien]

A little off topic, but I too recently started getting ancient Egypt vibes and I just cannot help but wonder what is this all about. Did they had any source of dmt except their bodies? If Pharaohs were so divine and supposedly wise, why ego was so important to them, especially considering the fact that even being know for thousands of years is the same blink of an eye like being known for a decade in relation to eternity. I also feel that it's pointless in the first place. Maybe they were simple humans just in an extraordinary position and Egypt vibes are not a result of human activity, but more of an entity/universe thing. I am rambling now, but I hope it sparks some discussion.

 

[SmoovPnCali]

I've got to add beans and cornbread sound amazing... I love cornbread, never had them with beans though, haha

Gualpa,

The Beans and Cornbread were DELICIOUS! Staple food for Hillbillies...:thumb_up:

Lien,

I have had more contact with Egyptian Gods than any other Entities. Weird thing is I was never all that interested in Ancient Egyptians. Since I have been meeting them I have been watching all sorts of documentaries on Ancient Egypt. Still can't figure out why Egyptians are so prevalent in my experiences. I'm a hillbilly from Tennessee after all....

 

[Dethrone]

I have always been fascinated by the entities that seem to know when your experience is going to end,and tell you.They say things like "Our time is at an end" and "You must go now" then it fades or abruptly ends.

After smoking some changa and having a very positive experience with two entities that looked like alien greys but much more beautiful and colorful.They informed me it was time to go and reached forward and covered my eyes and it was over instantly.

 

[Lien]

They informed me it was time to go and reached forward and covered my eyes and it was over instantly.

I know what "over" you are talking about, but I think they just manipulate the time remaining until your body disintegrates remaining dmt. It seems that it's suddenly over, but I always find myself on the other end of the reality I saw. Like You smoke weed and some change of consciousness occurs, then it passes by. On spice, you confront that change, you become it and when the experience supposedly ends, you are still on the other side. Like instead of seeing some wonder and then going back home, you see it, become it and stay there just to later find out you were at home all the time. Of course it then fades away just like weed, but the whole experience is way more dramatic, complex, interesting, sometimes even impossible(not that I have any idea of what Is possible haha).