TEK Ethyl acetate approach [CIELO]

[Loveall]

I did a small potency test on 50g of Noid bridgesii. 0.55g yield fumerate. dissapointing. This was a lower-in-the-stem cutting, aged for 6 months, no dark stress. Shows that bridges aren't always the most mescaline.

Thanks for sharing. 1.1% fumarate is not too bad. Lower stem is not as potent as the midsection as I understand it.

And yes, there is a large variability.

Extracting and propagating the spicer as cacti with precise mescaline measurements is a very worthwhile enterprise. I think it will make cacti in captivity more consistent/potent over the next decades.

 

[Transform]

Probably a mixture of sodium carbonate (maybe in various states of hydration), sodium bicarbonate (trace?), and the sodium salt(s) of whatever acid was in the EA.

[Edit: possibly also a bit of sodium acetate from hydrolysis of the EA as well]

Oh, and one shouldn't assume it's anything, nor not anything. Ideally, test for alkaloids as there may have been an unknown reason for slow precipitation, although this seems exceedingly unlikely if we're looking at a post-SC-treatment situation.

I did a small potency test on 50g of Noid bridgesii. 0.55g yield fumerate. dissapointing.

1.1% isn't all that bad, just not stellar. It did make me consider that the precipitation may have been incomplete due to some component of bridgesii interfering with the crystallisation process - hence the preceeding paragraph.

Extracting and propagating the spicer as cacti with precise mescaline measurements

species, perhaps?

 

[feeeeelio]

Oh, and one shouldn't assume it's anything, nor not anything. Ideally, test for alkaloids as there may have been an unknown reason for slow precipitation, although this seems exceedingly unlikely if we're looking at a post-SC-treatment situation.

1.1% isn't all that bad, just not stellar. It did make me consider that the precipitation may have been incomplete due to some component of bridgesii interfering with the crystallisation process - hence the preceeding paragraph.

species, perhaps?

Unfortunately the precipitate was from another batch. That batch was coreless PC which came out to .5% and I feebly pulled until strips were clean. The amount of white crust was over 10g.

Does anyone experience their coffee filters dropping in flow pretty quickly? Mine do with pretty much everything I pour through them that has the slightest hint of particulates. I think half of my tek time is waiting for draining. Any filter recommendations would be appreciated.

 

[feeeeelio]

Thanks for sharing. 1.1% fumarate is not too bad. Lower stem is not as potent as the midsection as I understand it.

And yes, there is a large variability.

Extracting and propagating the spicer as cacti with precise mescaline measurements is a very worthwhile enterprise. I think it will make cacti in captivity more consistent/potent over the next decades.

I will be doing a bunch of testing in the next few years.

Is there a mini FIELO we can do to save time? Like one big pull with a liter of EA on 10g dry?

 

[redbird]

I will be doing a bunch of testing in the next few years.

Is there a mini FIELO we can do to save time? Like one big pull with a liter of EA on 10g dry?

That would give you bad data.
Which i guess could be normalized if you did the same poor performing process against all samples.
But you'd wind up with results that indicate your source material is less potent than it actually is.

Given the same total volume of solvent, multiple smaller extractions will always outperform a single larger extraction.

 

[feeeeelio]

That would give you bad data.
Which i guess could be normalized if you did the same poor performing process against all samples.
But you'd wind up with results that indicate your source material is less potent than it actually is.

Given the same total volume of solvent, multiple smaller extractions will always outperform a single larger extraction.

Why would it give bad data?

 

[redbird]

I think i made a mistake. I didnt notice you said 1L ea pulling 10g powder.
Thats a much higher ration of solvent to cactus and may actually overcome the partition coefficient issue i mentioned in my last post.

I'll step back and let someone who knows more about chemistry take it from here

 

[feeeeelio]

Is this the place to report results?

I did a PC extract this weekend. This was from some cuttings that had been sitting in the sun for 5 months and then in the dark for a month. They were sun grown and new growth.

I haven't weighed it out but it looks like it's well over 1%! My guess is 1.75% from eyeballing previous pulls. The EA is cloudy so I have to wait.

I have a question though. The final pull still was reading green on the ph strip. I want to do another pull but it will have to be into a different vessel than the one I've already salted. If I do this last pull with 1L of EA, how much fumaric acid should I add? 3g?

 

[feeeeelio]

Is this the place to report results?

I did a PC extract this weekend. This was from some cuttings that had been sitting in the sun for 5 months and then in the dark for a month. They were sun grown and new growth.

I haven't weighed it out but it looks like it's well over 1%! My guess is 1.75% from eyeballing previous pulls. The EA is cloudy so I have to wait.

I have a question though. The final pull still was reading green on the ph strip. I want to do another pull but it will have to be into a different vessel than the one I've already salted. If I do this last pull with 1L of EA, how much fumaric acid should I add? 3g?

Ok I was actually spot on. Total was 1.6g yield from 200g dry. That means this PC results are 0.8% fumaric. 3 foot long tip cutting, sat in sun 5 months, dark one month, no core!

Vigorous sun grown super sawtooth looking quintessential garden center PC. Even had TMV.

I am pretty happy about that. It's as good as that bridgesii lower mid. If I do another run with it I will try to cut out most of the white.

 

[nikolas]

hi guys, i did a cielo extractinon with citric acid and magnetic stier so i my filters i did not have any mescaline cristals i put everything in same jar again and put in dark place can you help me what to do?i cant mesure mescaline conttent in my cacti but 20 cm peace 5 cm wide i goood for 12 hours trip so pls help when i added citric acid it change in very clody so i dont know were i made mistake

 

[Loveall]

hi guys, i did a cielo extractinon with citric acid and magnetic stier so i my filters i did not have any mescaline cristals i put everything in same jar again and put in dark place can you help me what to do?i cant mesure mescaline conttent in my cacti but 20 cm peace 5 cm wide i goood for 12 hours trip so pls help when i added citric acid it change in very clody so i dont know were i made mistake

Was this PC and citric acid? That combo is not recommended in the TEK.

If for some reason the PC is low yielding (~<0.15%) citric is not able to crash that small amount.

You can try adding fumaric, that may precipitate the little bit of mescaline present. This is only in theory, I would be very interested in that result.

You can also Regen the salted EA, and then salt it with fumaric. That would be more "standard".

Make sense?

 

[nikolas]

Was this PC and citric acid? That combo is not recommended in the TEK.

If for some reason the PC is low yielding (~<0.15%) citric is not able to crash that small amount.

You can try adding fumaric, that may precipitate the little bit of mescaline present. This is only in theory, I would be very interested in that result.

You can also Regen the salted EA, and then salt it with fumaric. That would be more "standard".

Make sense?

so after 3 days in jar i have a botom layer that is like slime and my etc is uperr,i maybe figure it out what is the problem.In my extraction i used citric acid but it is not in cristal shape it is in white powder and it is antihidrate so tthis citric acid used in cielo is monohidrate it think ti is the problem .I will try with fumaric acid next time and post result.One more thing is that one of my cactus cuttings was frozen so i dont know thanks for replaying!!!!

 

[Loveall]

so after 3 days in jar i have a botom layer that is like slime and my etc is uperr,i maybe figure it out what is the problem.In my extraction i used citric acid but it is not in cristal shape it is in white powder and it is antihidrate so tthis citric acid used in cielo is monohidrate it think ti is the problem .I will try with fumaric acid next time and post result.One more thing is that one of my cactus cuttings was frozen so i dont know thanks for replaying!!!!

Try adding fresh EA (start with 100ml), it should dehydrate your gooey layer and xtalize eventually. You may need to add up to 250ml.

 

[Loveall]

In this resdit post

https://www.reddit.com/r/mescaline/s/sqwQzX6gfb

the OP ran out of room in the first jar after 4 pulls and put the 5th pull in a separate jar.

Based on extraction efficiency, the calculator predicted ~0.07 parts mescaline in the 5th pull for every part mescaline in the first 4 pulls combined = (92.2-85.9)/85.9

The result? 0.18g from the first pull and 2.66g from the first 4, with 0.18/2.66 ~ 0.07 confirming the calculator estimate

It is possible to salt each pull separately also. With enough data we can fit the partition coefficients and increase their accuracy (right now they are estimates at 3 and 1 for mescaline in EA partition to wet crumb plant matter and water respectively)

 

[sekto]

Good afternoon everyone. I may be posting in the wrong section, so I would appreciate it if you could direct me to the appropriate place or offer some advice.

I’ve run into a problem: my skin can no longer tolerate hydrocarbon solvents, so I’m looking for an alternative. I’m considering acetone or ethyl acetate.

I work with mimosa bark. My usual process involves heating (around 75°C) in acidic water (phosphoric acid, pH 2–3), adding salt, then basifying with NaOH to pH 13–14. After that, I used to work with heptane, followed by separation and freezing.

Could you please suggest a clear step-by-step approach using acetone or ethyl acetate, or point me toward relevant resources for study? I would be very grateful for any advice.