European Blotters vs American Blotters

[x1balba]

The US market seems to have gone to hell since the Pickard bust, but there is still good quality out there occasionally. Before he went down, it was never a problem getting clean, moderately strong blotter or liquid at VERY good prices. Some was of course was better then others, but it was all definitely LSD. Sadly, the suggestion that he produced ~90% of the LSD market seems to be fairly accurate. Or maybe I just haven't met the right people.

The best I've had in recent years was some blotter that was supposedly from Europe, just plain white squares, and quite big ones at that. The guy was European with a work visa, so it kind of made sense. 1 of them had a nice crisp clean come-up within 30 minutes, and by the 2nd hour the world melted for the next few hours. The next batch from the same guy was what I suspected to be an RC, 2 hour dirty come-up, terrible muscle cramping, bitter taste, (it looked like it was printed with an inkjet printer :shock, definitely wasn't LSD. I still don't know what it was, and I didn't enjoy it at all. That's the first and only time that's happened to me, and I flushed few hits I had left.

My conclusion is that LSD actually is able to take you very, very far, although in a drastically different way than DMT, psilocin and the like.

I've had a full-on OOBE on 3 drops of some very strong liquid. My entire bathroom changed into a forest, the toilet changed into a campfire, and suddenly I was out camping with my friends who lived on the other side of the country. I lost full touch of my physical self, and my entire existence dissolved. I wasn't "with" them, my consciousness was observing my physical self interacting with them from an elevated state. My roommates pounding on the bathroom door didn't even snap me back to reality, I was that far gone. And I'm 100% positive that was LSD, it came from a very trusted and high quality source.

 

[Kazoo...]

Most people are in neither position so claiming microgram numbers is usually big supposition and/or belief in dealer talk (which can of course be very much mistaken, even if the dealer has the best intentions and is generally trustable)

this is too true, i think for most it is going off what your supplier has told you, i dont think most "dealers" have the resources or the will to test every sheet, but in on that same line of thought, any "dealer" worth there salt should have a rough idea of how strong there blotter is, they should have bio-essayed it themselves and they should have an idea of the potency from who they acquired it form before they start distributing it, while this may be mostly "hear-say" they should at the very least be able to tell you(or warn you) that x blotter is much much stronger than y blotter....




but then again....

a dropper bottle was brought to a party, the friend said the guy who gave it to him had warned it was quite strong, so with this in mind, late in the afternoon, we doled out the hits, two hits each, licked of the back of the hand( this is the average starting dose in our group, if in an hour or two your not quite where you want, you just take more)... we wait for the come up, talk with other festers, change clothes, get your stuff together before it inevitably becomes too difficult, half an hour later we all kinda drift back together and were all like ummmmm... so im starting to get really high already, how you guys doing? yeah were all surprisingly high so early in, personally im getting patterned visuals that are flowing with the sounds of people speaking, and my perception is already melting into colors and feelings, and this is just half an hour in!

by the time dark rolled around we all were extremely out there, manifesting energy waves that we could build into complex 4-d shapes out of visuals and toss to each other in tune to the live band, light bodys full on activated and with no choice but to flow with the glorious dance of the universe for as long as it might hold us.... ahhhhh good times:wink:

Apon morning light comedown we all agreed that we had each definitely set a new high bar of personal psychedelia with the nights experience, and that was indeed a very potent bottle...

a few months later we were talking about that nights experiences and the friend that had acquired the doses said he had contacted his connection and had mentioned how hard we had all tripped off two drops, long story short that vile was supposed to be diluted and broken up into at the very least two bottles, but more like 3 or 4!!!

oops.... but at least we were(some what) warned it was going to be strong to begin with and we were all seasoned trippers in a good environment, i cant imagine what kind of an experience an less seasoned person might have had off that dose

needless to say it was a while before the bar was able again to be set higher... though to this day its still a "high water mark" in my mind....

 

[lyserge]

The US market seems to have gone to hell since the Pickard bust, but there is still good quality out there occasionally. Before he went down, it was never a problem getting clean, moderately strong blotter or liquid at VERY good prices. Some was of course was better then others, but it was all definitely LSD. Sadly, the suggestion that he produced ~90% of the LSD market seems to be fairly accurate. Or maybe I just haven't met the right people.

I'm under the impression that the Pickard figures were exaggerated; if you take the DEA's figures on his lab - namely that he produced 1 kg LSD every five weeks, or 200 grams per week, that's enough for 200*10,000=2 million 100 microgram doses produced per week; this implies that around 1 out of every 100 Americans were eating Pickard's acid in a given week. So if you take the DEA's figures to be accurate, then prior to the Pickard bust the entire American heartland was eating up acid like Haight-Ashbury at its peak. I think it's far more likely that the DEA was simply exaggerating. The DEA did find some of Pickard's sources for the ergot precursor, so perhaps the reason for the drop-off in LSD production after Pickard's arrest was due to the ergot sources drying up.

I can't comment about European acid, but I can say that the two times I've had very potent, "one dose acid", it was windowpane freshly laid from crystal LSD (in one case) and well-taken-care of in distilled water in the second case; both were absolutely incredibly, and even four or five of the relatively weak (though still quite active at 1 dose) WoW (white-on-white) blotters I've seen in different parts of the US don't compare with these experiences. As others said, I think your location doesn't matter as much as who your personal connections and how the link with the world-at-large.

 

[lyserge]

The US market seems to have gone to hell since the Pickard bust, but there is still good quality out there occasionally. Before he went down, it was never a problem getting clean, moderately strong blotter or liquid at VERY good prices. Some was of course was better then others, but it was all definitely LSD. Sadly, the suggestion that he produced ~90% of the LSD market seems to be fairly accurate. Or maybe I just haven't met the right people.

I'm under the impression that the Pickard figures were exaggerated; if you take the DEA's figures on his lab - namely that he produced 1 kg LSD every five weeks, or 200 grams per week, that's enough for 200*10,000=2 million 100 microgram doses produced per week; this implies that around 1 out of every 100 Americans were eating Pickard's acid in a given week. So if you take the DEA's figures to be accurate, then prior to the Pickard bust the entire American heartland was eating up acid like Haight-Ashbury at its peak. I think it's far more likely that the DEA was simply exaggerating. The DEA did find some of Pickard's sources for the ergot precursor, so perhaps the reason for the drop-off in LSD production after Pickard's arrest was due to the ergot sources drying up.

I can't comment about European acid, but I can say that the two times I've had very potent, "one dose acid", it was windowpane freshly laid from crystal LSD (in one case) and well-taken-care of in distilled water in the second case; both were absolutely incredible, and even four or five of the relatively weak (though still quite active at 1 dose) WoW (white-on-white) blotters I've seen in different parts of the US don't compare with these experiences. As others said, I think your location doesn't matter as much as who your personal connections and how they link with the world-at-large. Also I know some people don't jibe with the "mystical/spiritual" aspects of these materials, but both the samples of potent, fresh acid I've had almost came to me, so to say, as if Consciousness-Without-An-Object arranges for people to tap into the fountain at certain critical points; on these occasions, I wasn't actively searching for the acid, but certain coincidences conspired to produce some very far-out experiences!

 

[x1balba]

The US market seems to have gone to hell since the Pickard bust, but there is still good quality out there occasionally. Before he went down, it was never a problem getting clean, moderately strong blotter or liquid at VERY good prices. Some was of course was better then others, but it was all definitely LSD. Sadly, the suggestion that he produced ~90% of the LSD market seems to be fairly accurate. Or maybe I just haven't met the right people.

I'm under the impression that the Pickard figures were exaggerated; if you take the DEA's figures on his lab - namely that he produced 1 kg LSD every five weeks, or 200 grams per week, that's enough for 200*10,000=2 million 100 microgram doses produced per week; this implies that around 1 out of every 100 Americans were eating Pickard's acid in a given week. So if you take the DEA's figures to be accurate, then prior to the Pickard bust the entire American heartland was eating up acid like Haight-Ashbury at its peak. I think it's far more likely that the DEA was simply exaggerating. The DEA did find some of Pickard's sources for the ergot precursor, so perhaps the reason for the drop-off in LSD production after Pickard's arrest was due to the ergot sources drying up.

I can't remember offhand where I found that it was fairly accurate. It wasn't from the DEA info, I know how they love to bloat their figures to try and justify their epic failures. Their claim wasn't 90% of the US supply, but 90% of the world's supply. The DEA also takes down very few LSD labs, so it could have been exaggerated on that fact as well. But I think even to drop that number to say 50-60% wouldn't be too far out of reach, and it definitely made a huge impact. I have some of the actual case files and some 3rd party stuff saved that I'll go through soon and see if I can find it again. It may very well be wrong.

LSD is very easy to conceal, and he was doing this for over 20 years, so I imagine he had quite the network. Also keep in mind that when he was busted, he was in the process of moving the lab so precursors and finished product were likely at a lower stock. I actually suspect that a fair amount of the acid in the US right now comes from Europe, as the precursors are more obtainable in some countries.

 

[lyserge]

I can't remember offhand where I found that it was fairly accurate. It wasn't from the DEA info, I know how they love to bloat their figures to try and justify their epic failures. Their claim wasn't 90% of the US supply, but 90% of the world's supply. The DEA also takes down very few LSD labs, so it could have been exaggerated on that fact as well. But I think even to drop that number to say 50-60% wouldn't be too far out of reach, and it definitely made a huge impact. I have some of the actual case files and some 3rd party stuff saved that I'll go through soon and see if I can find it again. It may very well be wrong.

LSD is very easy to conceal, and he was doing this for over 20 years, so I imagine he had quite the network. Also keep in mind that when he was busted, he was in the process of moving the lab so precursors and finished product were likely at a lower stock. I actually suspect that a fair amount of the acid in the US right now comes from Europe, as the precursors are more obtainable in some countries.

Hmm I'd be very interested in seeing some of these case files and 3rd party stuff. Trustworthy information on these topics is very difficult to come across. Like you I'm under the impression that most of the acid in the US comes from elsewhere; it's presumably much easier to hide the acid than the bulkier precursors.

 

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[PlainCoil]

You guys should read this report from LSD - My Problem Child to see what a dose as low as SIXTY micrograms does to this psychiatrist. 60ug

I think claims of LSD at the 200-600ug range are pretty exaggerated. Most acid I'm sure is 100 or less, with the occasional 150-200, in America that is! There is an easy way to tell, however - see what the smallest amount of blotter it takes to achieve any effect is. The active dose of LSD is said to be about 20-25ug, so if a quarter hit achieves any effect, the blotter should be about 80-100ug, shouldn't it?

Also, be aware that some people really like to take doses in excess of 500ug frequently, and it is far from uncommon.

 

[gratefulfloyd]

I once had a blotter which put me on my back for several hours and at one point I thought my leg was a hill I could run up. This is one blotter. At the time I figured it wasn't acid.

When I asked the lady who sold it to me beforehand if it was good quality, she started laughing maniacally, then walked away. I swear I was pretty much in DMT territory that day, dancing with robots, dying over and over again, my POV shooting over the horizon and back again, time warping to the extent I felt like I was moving through treacle, then it would speed up and I would push through it and fall down again. Senses I didn't even know I had were being distorted. Damn crazy's in a nutshell. It took me quite some time to recover from that one.

It was definately not the sort of trip I expected off of one blotter. This was in Devon.

Yack....that sounds heavy. It's impossible for LSD to cause such effects. Any theories of what it could have been? was it more tryptamine like or more like a phen?

I have to disagree with you on this poly. My strongest experience on lsd wasnt quite as crazy as soulfoods bit it was close. Four hits of some paper called cream it was white with a purple line. I ended up becoming god and becoming animals while in a dream like state having very extreme visuals.

I agree as well, one night I took a whole dropperful of lsd (10 hits) of 80ug liquid, i know the source very well so I know 80 ug is correct. When I did this I could feel it after 20 minutes, and by 2 hours time was not around anymore. I was unable to talk and I was not able to move much, the walls would morph in to beautiful images, including millions of flowers. And after awhile I had lost complete awareness in myself I was so lost in visuals and mental thought that I can not even explain it. I had it all figured out that night, I was able ot bring some of the light back with me but not all of it, but I definitely ended up being in a state of bliss once I was rejoined with my human body

 

[DiMiTriX]

a freek dude here in my country said years ago to mswim that blotters that are now around are about 60-80 ug of acid. he said swim that back in the days they was 200-300 ug whit peack of 400ug in blue microdots if swim didn't remember wrong.. so 4-5 blotters are a strong dose i think and 7-8 for a full experience.

a question what does an lsd overdose add to the experience?

 

[proto-pax]

I'm definitely not in the scene like some folks are, and I've only had cid about 10 times, but every single time 1 hit was enough to get me where I wanted. I was supposed to trip today, but the gf is out of town. Ces't la vie.

 

[gratefulfloyd]

The blotters I have seen around this country vary, after touring the country at different festivals I have seen stuff that is most def 200ug+ per hit and some blotter that are 50ug, it really just depends... it helps to get them from the source (ya know the people who know how to get crystals) and really get to know them and see if they are genuine people before you buy something off of them. Usually they are quite honest with their product. As for European, I have had amazing czech and swiss blotters in my days that were super potent. I am guessing it varies everywhere around the world and the only reason it may be better in Europe is because the precursors may be easier to obtain.

 

[shoe]

I have not seen strong acid in the UK for at least a decade. From my understanding max in a dose here is 100ug.

I have also been quite alarmed by people I know doing double figures of doses. I have never taken more than 3 1/2 in a night and that was a rather extreme experience. When we were younger we used to eat quarters and halves but nowadays I find I get very little from a whole one.

Some acid turned up for SWIM last weekend.

Please don't propagate such bullshit. SWIM 's LSD and all of its potential, and utter craziness toboot, and when I read misinformation about it on the internet, particularly 'oh you can't get acid in the UK....' It just makes me cry.

It completely depends on who you know. For you to sit there and conclude that you don't get LSD in the UK because YOU can't get LSD in the UK, offends me.

When SWIM owned a bottle, over three years ago now, a strain known as 'UV' acid, supposedly dating back to the 60s, I think it was 300ug per drop. 100ug is a teeny dose. Although SWIM has had inactive tabs in the past, you do get strong acid in the UK. although in SWIM's experience liquid is more abundant, having handled two bottles in his time, and seen yet a third, but the max number of tabs SWIM ever saw was a strip of 10.

 

[shoe]

I agree as well, one night I took a whole dropperful of lsd (10 hits) of 80ug liquid, i know the source very well so I know 80 ug is correct. When I did this I could feel it after 20 minutes, and by 2 hours time was not around anymore. I was unable to talk and I was not able to move much, the walls would morph in to beautiful images, including millions of flowers. And after awhile I had lost complete awareness in myself I was so lost in visuals and mental thought that I can not even explain it. I had it all figured out that night, I was able ot bring some of the light back with me but not all of it, but I definitely ended up being in a state of bliss once I was rejoined with my human body

Hahaha!! The same happened to SWIM too! He was at a quarry party and a friend rinsed the last of his bottle with sprite, and then gave SWIM such a squirt... It sent SWIM on the most intense experience; Fractals were zooming in and out of the quarry, SWIM was evaporating into outer space, Alien beings flocked to him to see what all the noise was about, they grew us in tiny pockets of a fractal, to see if anything would ever come out of it, ... After the peak, there were insane things like aligators across the valey playing golf on that golf course, the world had limitless potential, I could be anyone and do anything: We are the chemical brothers... Reality was there to be shaped by us. I lost my shoes that day, but luckilly a friend and genuine guy lent me his so that I could get home. (he lived near)

 

[shoe]

I once had a blotter which put me on my back for several hours and at one point I thought my leg was a hill I could run up. This is one blotter. At the time I figured it wasn't acid.

When I asked the lady who sold it to me beforehand if it was good quality, she started laughing maniacally, then walked away. I swear I was pretty much in DMT territory that day, dancing with robots, dying over and over again, my POV shooting over the horizon and back again, time warping to the extent I felt like I was moving through treacle, then it would speed up and I would push through it and fall down again. Senses I didn't even know I had were being distorted. Damn crazy's in a nutshell. It took me quite some time to recover from that one.

It was definately not the sort of trip I expected off of one blotter. This was in Devon.

Aw man, that doesn't sound very enlightened. Way to put anyone on a bad trip. the bit you mentioned about time warping... I hadn't thought it very possible but then I took a couple sugar cubes at New year 2008 (i beleive) and witnessed the most fantastic experience; It was as if somone had leant on the fast forward button of a VCR, except the VCR was my day-to-day experience. I would stand, breath, talk, fidget, all at what I pproximated to be about 2 - 4x normal speed. my subjective experience were that things were really whooshing past, things took so little time. we turned up at a party, talked to everyone, hailed a taxi, drove in the taxi to another place, turned up at the party, kissed in the hallway, decided not to go in and to go home instead, hailed another taxi, waited for it.

It was fucked up. I was bouncing on my heels to keep warm and it's so hard to language, but that normal bouncing feeling, the rate was about 4x. I've never experienced such a thing in my puff, and I was absoloutely satisfied to have got that kind of effect. =) Also, on the way back home, in her mothers car, it got a bit freaky, and the usual radio jingles *beep*beep* radio ... 1 !! 1 ! !!! [you know the stuff] had been replaced by a horror version, all still in doubletime, but with mixed up pig squeeling and horrifying jaunts like "Radio 1!!! we just cream it out, 24/7 [pig squeels + other sonic effects].!!!

 

[justine]

When SWIM owned a bottle, over three years ago now, a strain known as 'UV' acid, supposedly dating back to the 60s, I think it was 300ug per drop. 100ug is a teeny dose.

Wow, if it really was some 40-years old still active LSD I would love to know how it was stored! Was the bottle flushed with argon (like Delysid vials) and kept in a fridge ?

 

[Shaolin]

Back when I was crazy in love with acid I used "Google Translate" on a drug forum from Netherlands. The Dutch had/have testing centers where you can get quantitative anylisis done. Actually on that note, nexusers from Netherlands I would love to hear some more info about how this procedure works, costs, time, available tests, ... I had a webpage of one of the testing centers bookmarked but it's gone now.

So, me being from Europe (as far as I know all european today comes from Netherlands), I checked with my friend what's available and then checked the above mentioned forum. Things were pretty similar. The strongest blotters I had were Rolling Stones or some variation of Hoffmans @ 250 mics (minus degradation from transport). Also from the above mentioned forum the strongest blotters I have heard about were red hearts, a special batch that went "wrong" which resulted in 500 mics per blotter dose.

 

[shoe]

When SWIM owned a bottle, over three years ago now, a strain known as 'UV' acid, supposedly dating back to the 60s, I think it was 300ug per drop. 100ug is a teeny dose.

Wow, if it really was some 40-years old still active LSD I would love to know how it was stored! Was the bottle flushed with argon (like Delysid vials) and kept in a fridge ?

I don't know if the actual mollecule was 40 years old, I doubt it... but maybe?

It was probably stored as crystal. If I was the source of the funny squiggles, I'd bottle it up and spread it out - yeah, probably filling each bottle with argon. In my opinion, the LSD was suspended in lab ethanol, just F.Y.I.

The vast majority don't seem to know exactly how stable LSD actually is.... I'd like to hastle hoffman anyway, and argue that he doesn't either. He just makes the stuff, who cares how quickly it decomposes. All thats important is that it can be stored for anywhere from six months to years if done correctly.

but very few are actually willing, or able, to titrate and work out the oxidation rate.

The funny thing about LSD is: it can be a gift or a curse.

 

[LawnBoy]

Someone has taken a quarter of a paper tab, in southeast us, and been able to feel effects, even experience slight visual enhancement. One tab was a decent visual dose. In that same area of the us, one normally takes 1-3 hits. 3 was a bit extreme, but didn't last very long and wasn't "out of body."

Someone from the southeast, never experienced paper that 1 tab or even 2 tabs was "too" much.

 

[Astralking]

Big problem is there is never any real way to tell what your dosing. I think alot of people tend to exaggerate how many mic's there acid has in it.

I'm not trying to say that all you guys don't know what your talking about! but i imagine that i prolly exaggerate content too as we have no way to judge accurate guidelines as each people is effected differently etc. I'm currently taking a little break from acid as it stopped working like it used to!

Really don't mean for this post to sound at all like i know what i'm talking about compared to anyone else just giving my thoughts