Expectations of "elves"

[acacian]

I really feel people are taking terence waaay waayy too literally with the DMT elves and are forgetting that the experience varies significantly from person to person. So many people on here i have noticed are going into the experience ewith such high expectation of seeing "elves" and coming out disappointed. in my opinion the elves are just a concept that he likened the beings to on his trips in attempt to explain the unexplainable. DMT can be anything and everything and should certainly not be confined to a singular concept.

I remember Graham Hancock once said about ayahuasca (but i feel it definitely applies to DMT too), it "doesn't give you what you want, it gives you what you need" and this has really been resonating with me lately with my own experiences. I feel personally that the realms dmt brings one too are far more complex and endless than is imaginable to a human mind and this needs to be kept in mind when dealing with communicating experiences and expecting content from those heard experiences.. if that makes sense

 

[Walter D. Roy]

“ There are these things, which I call "self transforming machine elves," I also call them self-dribbling basketballs. They are, but they are none of these things. I mean you have to understand: these are metaphors in the truest sense, meaning that they're lies! [...] I name them 'Tykes' because tyke is a word that means to me a small child, ... and when you burst into the DMT space this is the Aeon - it's a child, and it's at play with colored balls, and I am in eternity, apparently, in the presence of this thing. ”
—Terence McKenna, "Time and Mind"

Terence McKenna - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

^this is a little quote you can find in the "Ideas" section.

It seems to mean that he is explaining almost nothing! He says right in there they are lies.

People are just expecting something much more tangible than what is given.

Plus Terence Mckenna was deep into the psychedelic nature of dmt, and entheogens in general. I really do think that what he experienced probably became more consistent. Due to his sort of "shamanic" approach. Whereas people who expect to meet these elfs probably have much much less experience.

 

[Guyomech]

Another thing to remember about Terence is that not only was he a very experienced psychonaut, but he made his livelihood by describing his experiences. So he had a highly developed language for comprehending and describing his trips. At the same time, as Walter pointed out you have to remember that you are separated from the truth by a wall of language. It may be highly descriptive language, but it's still just primate mouth sounds trying to describe hyperspace.

 

[olympus mon]

For the most part I agree with your post. Its talked about enough that people feel its a standard dmt experience. Contact with something is quite common. Whats the experiencer see's is as unique as a fingerprint. My closest friends describe what dmt does to them and it sounds like a different substance to me. Dmt is funny like that.
Hell its not even close to the same feeling and experience now as it was a few years back when I was vaping nightly. Its never been the same actually, even with a 1 year layoff.:?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

It may be highly descriptive language, but it's still just primate mouth sounds trying to describe hyperspace.

this.
i gave up on trying to describe my trips ages ago.

 

[acacian]

thanks for the responses guys and i must say I agree. I have just been a little worried lately about people diving in with such clarified expecations

going out but i shall type a proper response later

 

[Psychonaut In Orbit]

I describe and relate back what I can as I "remember"... using language that could somewhat paint a picture. Even with the trip reports I write I feel I'm not coming anywhere close to the actual feel, the sights, the sounds... and I'm fine with that. I just like relating back what I see... trying my best to get as close to the actual trip with this primitive language.

The thoughts of these elves? ... well I never went into a trip "expecting" anything... so for people to actually expect to see elves is a bit naive. We are dealing with psychedelics here... not only psychedelics but one of the strongest, if not the strongest, psychedelic known to man. You are rolling the dice every time you blast off so no expectations should be the mantra you hum while going into the wormhole.

 

[○]

I agree with the above. Language is severely limited in it's approach to describing this state, especially when one ventures into these higher dosage states. I tend to not call it/them "elves", but more like autonomous entities meshed in with the fabric of this experience that present themselves at different points in the experience but tend to be "all one intelligence". This "all one intelligence" I take to be the deepest, most fundamental aspects/layers of ourselves that present themselves at different points. An infinitely layered multi-dimensional slideshow that is ever-moving, even when we're not in the state to perceive this, it's always there forever changing.

 

[tele]

Yes what makes it so special and interesting that every time I blast off it's almost completely different experience. And the whole nature of the experience has changed almost completely when I compare vaping these days and vaping in the beginning of my explorations. To be honest I am glad I have much easier time breaking through now with no carrier waves enveloping my whole being and much less body load etc.

 

[○]

Yes what makes it so special and interesting that every time I blast off it's almost completely different experience. And the whole nature of the experience has changed almost completely when I compare vaping these days and vaping in the beginning of my explorations. To be honest I am glad I have much easier time breaking through now with no carrier waves enveloping my whole being and much less body load etc.

Same. No more carrier-wave. Just total immersion.

 

[tele]

Yes what makes it so special and interesting that every time I blast off it's almost completely different experience. And the whole nature of the experience has changed almost completely when I compare vaping these days and vaping in the beginning of my explorations. To be honest I am glad I have much easier time breaking through now with no carrier waves enveloping my whole being and much less body load etc.

Same. No more carrier-wave. Just total immersion.

It's very interesting... It's sometimes(rarely) audible but only as a faint noise but it's almost gone, I wonder why is this. In the beginning it's like the carrier wave drills through to "DMT center" and now the hole is open with immediate delivery...:lol: There are other hyperspace sounds (such as the "flanger/phaser" type) but no more carrier wave. And I'm glad for that because sometimes it was way too strong.

 

[3rdI]

Maybe the carrier wave has done its job by vibrating you into a proper configuration and is no longer needed.

I don't get it much anymore either, I miss it

 

[tele]

Maybe the carrier wave has done its job by vibrating you into a proper configuration and is no longer needed.

I don't get it much anymore either, I miss it

Yeah seems like this biomechanical machine man has been programmed to interdimensional travel with easier "tune in". Hah, really DMT is so biomechanical to me that I have even speculated often that we are biomechanical creatures and DMT shows us the biomechanics with operators and what not.:lol:

 

[acacian]

I agree with the above. Language is severely limited in it's approach to describing this state, especially when one ventures into these higher dosage states. I tend to not call it/them "elves", but more like autonomous entities meshed in with the fabric of this experience that present themselves at different points in the experience but tend to be "all one intelligence". This "all one intelligence" I take to be the deepest, most fundamental aspects/layers of ourselves that present themselves at different points. An infinitely layered multi-dimensional slideshow that is ever-moving, even when we're not in the state to perceive this, it's always there forever changing.

YES!

 

[acacian]

I describe and relate back what I can as I "remember"... using language that could somewhat paint a picture. Even with the trip reports I write I feel I'm not coming anywhere close to the actual feel, the sights, the sounds... and I'm fine with that. I just like relating back what I see... trying my best to get as close to the actual trip with this primitive language.

The thoughts of these elves? ... well I never went into a trip "expecting" anything... so for people to actually expect to see elves is a bit naive. We are dealing with psychedelics here... not only psychedelics but one of the strongest, if not the strongest, psychedelic known to man. You are rolling the dice every time you blast off so no expectations should be the mantra you hum while going into the wormhole.

yeah this resonates with me for sure. i feel its really important to remember that there are certain things beyond our comprehension in our daily mindset and it can be a bit naive to think you know the lesson you need to be taught... in my own experience anyway. i try not to bring to much baggage to my experiences these days other than complete transperancy with myself before going in .. why am i doing this/am i looking to get something in particular from this experience/am i seeking healing/have i fulfilled what the last trip set me off to integrate etc.