Experimental: Extracting mescaline carbonate bubbling CO2

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So the ethanol 96 made a slightly different mescaline carbonate than the iso99 I made in the past. Was a much white grain in the past

I’ll test solubility in a few days

IPA and ethanol will pull slightly different impurity profiles, I guess. And, rather than guessing, that solid material needs definitive analysis. It reminds me rather a lot of calcium acetate just from visual appearance.

You did mention having treated one or other of your extractions with lime higher up this page. What salt form was the "1.9 grams of dirty Kash extract"? The original tek mentions HCl for salting, but I can imagine you using acetic instead (which is fine).

 

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IPA and ethanol will pull slightly different impurity profiles, I guess. And, rather than guessing, that solid material needs definitive analysis. It reminds me rather a lot of calcium acetate just from visual appearance.

You did mention having treated one or other of your extractions with lime higher up this page. What salt form was the "1.9 grams of dirty Kash extract"? The original tek mentions HCl for salting, but I can imagine you using acetic instead (which is fine).

I used hcl for the kash. I’m gonna get iso99 again since I prefer to ethanol.

Calcium acetate highly unlikely since didn’t use vinegar at any point. Don’t have reagent for mescaline so I’ll just test oral dose sometime soon

Edit: wouldn’t any acids become water when neutralize with base?

 

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I used hcl for the kash. I’m gonna get iso99 again since I prefer to ethanol.

Calcium acetate highly unlikely since didn’t use vinegar at any point. Don’t have reagent for mescaline so I’ll just test oral dose sometime soon

Edit: wouldn’t any acids become water when neutralize with base?

OK, definitely not acetate then

You'll still have 1 mole of CaCl₂ for every 2 moles of mesc.HCl, as well as the 2 moles of water:
Ca(OH)₂ + 2(Mesc.HCl) → CaCl₂ + 2H₂O + 2Mesc.[=freebase]

So at least some of that calcium chloride must be hanging around in solution - less so with the IPA, perhaps - because there was water mixed with your alcohols, right?

Or did you establish that CaCl₂ had/would have minimal solubility in those systems? I'd look this up, but it'll have to be later.

 

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Yea the solvent was 95-96 ethanol maybe more.

CaCl2 is soluble in ethanol BUT again wouldn't it become calcium ions and free hydroxide when adding the calcium hydroxide?

Reading my old post and notes I saw that I also only used the insoluble mescaline hcl after Isopropanol 99 washes which helped increase purity and also did a few more purification. maybe just different hcl hydration and other impurities. I would get around 1/3 original yield keeping only iso99 washes.

The photos ended up being 950mg starting from 1.9g hcl. I did expect a loss due to using activated charcoal and just a bit under yield of around 1g I expected considering 'red and goo impurities'

I took 100mg of the 'carbonate' with 200mg harmalas so I'll know if indeed mescaline or not.

Edit: started to doubt it but indeed mescaline... zero buildup and started at almost 2h exactly.

Does different salts or hydration of drugs cause different effect? I know some have higher bioavalibiltiy and such I guess that can lead to different effects... I had pretty repeatable 'placebo' effects consuming washes and cleaned crystals and can't really explain it

 

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CaCl2 is soluble in ethanol BUT again wouldn't it become calcium ions and free hydroxide when adding the calcium hydroxide?

Well, the chloride doesn't simply dematerialise - the point of adding calcium hydroxide is that the hydroxide ions remove the protons from the mescaline cations by combining to form water. This still leaves the chloride anions, with their charge being balanced out by calcium in a 2:1 ratio. I guess some - possibly most - of that might stay bound up in the excess solid lime as CaClOH, and your subjective potency test does appear to indicate there's little in the way of calcium contamination. Still, that's all guesswork without some kind of chemical analysis.

More speculation here but, I wonder what the likelihood of there being a stable calcium "mescalinecarbamate" is? Structurally, it would be like the "ipsocarbamate", but with the mescaline cation replaced by half an equivalent of calcium. Such a compound would have a lower potency by weight, however - unless there was some bioavailability effect as you suggest. Anyhow, just a schnappsidée before my morning coffee has kicked in

 

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So the ethanol 96 made a slightly different mescaline carbonate than the iso99 I made in the past. Was a much white grain in the past

I’ll test solubility in a few days

Visually this is reminding me a lot of the various alchemical stones made by alchemists. I think it would fit nicely into the vegetable stone category, but my knowledge is still limited in the field.

 

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so the mescaline 'carbonate' is soluble in ethanol 99 and nothing like the original carbonate I obtained using iso99. I'm even more confused I'll try again in the future with iso99 to see if I can replicate original salt.