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Extracting DMT from Mimosa Hostilis properly

Perlon said:
Thanks for your Response @acacian 🤗
Is there any disadvantage if I let it crystallize in the fridge and not in the freezer? Because pretty much everywhere it says crystallize in the freezer. Otherwise I would try it in the fridge Like u Said 👍
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Only time :)

It takes much longer to crash out but it still works. We are talking probably a couple days wait at least..

Basically the slower the progression in temp drop, the potentially larger and more translucent the crystals will be. Freeze precipitation drops the crystals quickly so will more commonly give you lots of small crystals.

You can also drop the temp of the naptha in the fridge in the fridge first and then migrate to the freezer.. that produces nice results. Play around with it.. once your DMT saturated naptha is in the dish, it ain’t going anywhere.. playing around with differences pace in temperature drop is fun to experiment with.
 
acacian said:
Only time :)

It takes much longer to crash out but it still works. We are talking probably a couple days wait at least..

Basically the slower the progression in temp drop, the potentially larger and more translucent the crystals will be. Freeze precipitation drops the crystals quickly so will more commonly give you lots of small crystals.

You can also drop the temp of the naptha in the fridge in the fridge first and then migrate to the freezer.. that produces nice results. Play around with it.. once your DMT saturated naptha is in the dish, it ain’t going anywhere.. playing around with differences pace in temperature drop is fun to experiment with.
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Ok - sounds very good 😊!
I have time - i can wait a couple of days. I am curious! 😁

Have you ever let it crystallize in the fridge, if you don't mind me asking.
 
@acacian how long do you leave the MHRB in the Sodium hydroxide solution until you add the naphtha? i left it for 1-2 hours last time.
 
Perlon said:
Thanks for your Response @acacian 🤗
Is there any disadvantage if I let it crystallize in the fridge and not in the freezer? Because pretty much everywhere it says crystallize in the freezer. Otherwise I would try it in the fridge Like u Said 👍
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Moar DMT precipitates if the temperature is lower, so it would improve your yields. This is not especially much of a problem if you recycle your naphtha straight back into making more pulls, in that nothing is lost - but each pull will have a smaller proportion of the DMT being recovered than if it were to be more completely precipitated using the freezer. The upshot of this is you would simply have to do more pulls - but also that the base soup will end up with slightly more DMT left in it at the very end of the processes because of the way equilibria work. Whether this amounts to anything significant can be worked out using a bit of arithmetic.

It will almost certainly be quicker to use a freezer, if you have one.

There is a possibility that the fridge-precipitated crystals will tend to be purer than the ones from the freezer, so it would probably be worthwhile at least saving any fridge crystals that you have and seeing what comes out of the naphtha after putting it in the freezer. That should illustrate the yield difference fairly directly.
 
Transform said:
Moar DMT precipitates if the temperature is lower, so it would improve your yields. This is not especially much of a problem if you recycle your naphtha straight back into making more pulls, in that nothing is lost - but each pull will have a smaller proportion of the DMT being recovered than if it were to be more completely precipitated using the freezer. The upshot of this is you would simply have to do more pulls - but also that the base soup will end up with slightly more DMT left in it at the very end of the processes because of the way equilibria work. Whether this amounts to anything significant can be worked out using a bit of arithmetic.

It will almost certainly be quicker to use a freezer, if you have one.

There is a possibility that the fridge-precipitated crystals will tend to be purer than the ones from the freezer, so it would probably be worthwhile at least saving any fridge crystals that you have and seeing what comes out of the naphtha after putting it in the freezer. That should illustrate the yield difference fairly directly.
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Yep definitely a good idea to see if you can crash more in the freezer after. I just like doing in the fridge to get nice translucent goodness
 
Perlon said:
@acacian how long do you leave the MHRB in the Sodium hydroxide solution until you add the naphtha? i left it for 1-2 hours last time.
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I actually don’t use MHRB as I live in Australia where there are plenty of native options for DMT extraction. They don’t lend themselves so much to STB so I do A/B.. but generally with my solution I let it react for about 20 minutes to half an hr after adding NaOH before I add my NP solvent.. I don’t use Naptha I use toluene.. and recently have been won over by DCM which is preferred.

@Transform .. once upon a time was purity camp.. more multi alkaloid camp these days!
 
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_Trip_ said:
How do go with the dcm acacian? I have some but never used it for dmt extraction. Very toxic to work with.
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Its great.. evaps fast like naptha/shellite. Holds more full spectrum. I found its best to mix gently otherwise it can become emulsion city.. and if using any methylated spirits in your soup use one that isn't miscible with other NP solvents. Otherwise NaOH can make it into your extract. So if usign metho as opposed to pure ethanol, use one with minimal additives. I'm a big fan of using ethanol in the initial acid extraction anyways so thats an important one to get right for me..

But yeah I think is by far the most superior in terms of evap time, holding capacity, and range of alkaloids it can hold. DMT completely dissolves in DCM within seconds. It also doesn't stink.

Of course, due to toxicity should be handled carefully and used in a well ventilated area.
 
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Look like it’s crystallizing already now - is that normal? Or it just look like crystals, that glitter
 

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It is the soup in which I added the naphtha yesterday. I haven’t pulled the Naphta from the solution yet.

What you see in the photos is deposited on the soup. And it seems to glisten.
 

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Perlon said:
It is the soup in which I added the naphtha yesterday. I haven’t pulled the Naphta from the solution yet.

What you see in the photos is deposited on the soup. And it seems to glisten.
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That looks like a nicely saturated solvent, so you can do your first pull now.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
The naphtha always settles directly on top - I stir it regularly, but it never really mixes. Can I collect all the DMT this way?
 
Perlon said:
The naphtha always settles directly on top - I stir it regularly, but it never really mixes. Can I collect all the DMT this way?
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My naphtha also goes fast to the top after turning the vessel. After around 1-2 minutes it all in the top again. I get around 1,5 % of the MHRB i have. So yes, I think it will work for you too.
 
murklan said:
My naphtha also goes fast to the top after turning the vessel. After around 1-2 minutes it all in the top again. I get around 1,5 % of the MHRB i have. So yes, I think it will work for you too.
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Turning the vessel over did nothing, I shook it a little, briefly. I don't think you’re supposed to do that, but it mixes better this way

At my first test extraction (this is my 2nd) I got around 1% of the MHRB
 
What kind of vessel is it in? If it’s in a glass bottle with the lid screwed tight you can just gently turn it upside town repeatedly.. no need to mix it aggressively. If it has cooled down you can add a little NaOH which will warm the solution a little and make sure the DMT doesn’t start crashing out of the Naptha ..
Perlon said:
@acacian how long do you leave the MHRB in the Sodium hydroxide solution until you add the naphtha? i left it for 1-2 hours last time.
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You don’t need to let it sit for that long. It’s good to let it react for a 10-15 minutes or so. But I have added the Naptha after a couple minutes and it still works fine. With Naptha you don’t want to leave it for too long because then it may not be warm enough for the DMT to dissolve in the solvent.

Gently mixing it for several minutes will pull most of the alkaloids. However if agitating it more doesn’t cause emulsions then that’s fine.. just be sure to release any pressure build up by loosening the lid occasionally.

How are you going to separate the naptha? Do you have a separatory funnel or are you using a turkey baster or something?
 
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