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Extracting DMT with ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate

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skoobysnax said:
xa said:
Yes, let us know :)
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1.365G of thick amber jimjam that smells super sweet. This round did not crystallize :?:

I took this goo and re-disolved in IPA yesterday, let it settle again and filtered that through a funnel with cotton in the spout. The IPA was super clear of undissolvables. I added an equal amount of super clean rue extracted harmalas and an equal amount of organic mullien. To this i added a small pinch each of sacred lotus extract and passionflower extract to help soak up the IPA as it was boiling off a bit. Shouldn't be long now before its ready...
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At long last I sampled 100mg of this changa. Taste wasn't superb but it was smooth as silk s far as harshness goes. Def not a breakthrough but not underwhelming either, I worked through the bowl over the course of 5 min or so. What I got was a great meditation changa. Seated in the garden the energy of everything around me became very apparent. I am glad to have his one, I am sure if I took it all in one toke it would have gone deeper but I was cautious as I have never had coffee before changa and today I had Yerba mate followed by 2 big cups of joe my wife brought me when I was packing the kids for class.

I sincerely hope that this tek gets a good write up for the WIKI
 
I forgot to report my final yield of the 25g extraction

About 400mg of red-orange viscose goo, but I'm pretty sure there was still lime in there.

~25mg vaped proved to be fairly active


What I don't like is how much solvent this methods needs (I used about 400ml isopropanol), so I was thinking of alternative ways using the same chemicals:

>making 3+ boils with a little acetic
>reducing to very small volume
>mix with lime
>dry
>pull with alcohol

Should use much less base and solvent
 
Me too was think to made many acid boils/filter combine and evaporate to menage a little raw extract and use less solvent, and maybe more clean.
Can be possible also to make acid boils etc etc... and then basify the residue and made a pull, for get more trapped in the solid bark residue and combine after.

Is possible also to introduce a defat stage after the acid boils ?

I've no time to do this...but i have a good bark now...maybe in future.
 
Here is a little hint about ethanol. If you are only able to find bioethanol denatured with MEK, the MEK can be removed with a half a teaspoonful of powdered sodium metabisulfite per litre. Swirl daily for a few days, allow to settle, then decant and preferably filter.

You may still have to distil away from any bittering agent but a pinch of activated charcoal should take care of that too, come to think of it. That could be added at the same time as the bisulfite.
 
Does anyone know if it is safe to smoke sodium acetate or calcium acetate?

I and a few others in this thread have reported crystals from this procedure or similar procedures and I'm thinking that is probably what those crystals are. I did an extraction (IPA pull(Dry(lime + brew(acrb + vinegar)))) and even after redissolving in minimal 91% IPA there are still some crystals forming.

Has anyone found an effective method for washing the product with water? I have tried with a small amount but the stuff is oily and hard to separate from the water.

Possibly it would be better to avoid the use of vinegar altogether. Or would other stuff in the plant form calcium/sodium salts also? I remember a while ago I did not use vinegar and the oil was clear and free of crystals.
 
slewb said:
Does anyone know if it is safe to smoke sodium acetate or calcium acetate?

I and a few others in this thread have reported crystals from this procedure or similar procedures and I'm thinking that is probably what those crystals are. I did an extraction (IPA pull(Dry(lime + brew(acrb + vinegar)))) and even after redissolving in minimal 91% IPA there are still some crystals forming.

Has anyone found an effective method for washing the product with water? I have tried with a small amount but the stuff is oily and hard to separate from the water.

Possibly it would be better to avoid the use of vinegar altogether. Or would other stuff in the plant form calcium/sodium salts also? I remember a while ago I did not use vinegar and the oil was clear and free of crystals.
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Wouldnt any acetates be converted during basing? I redissolved my crytals in 99%IPA
and filtered out anything that didnt dissolve. Let that pur settle and wait for any solids suspended to settle for 24 hrs, then decanted into the tray. With MHRB i got reddish gooey needles. ACRB yielded a thick goo. Both made a fine changa.
 
I'm not really a chemistry guy but according to Wikipedia:
"[Sodium acetate] is sometimes produced in a laboratory experiment by the reaction of acetic acid, commonly in the 5–8% solution known as vinegar, with sodium carbonate ("washing soda"), sodium bicarbonate ("baking soda"), or sodium hydroxide ("lye")."

and:
"Calcium acetate can be prepared by soaking calcium carbonate (found in eggshells, or in common carbonate rocks such as limestone or marble) or hydrated lime in vinegar."

They are created during the addition of your base to the acidic solution.

I can't get 99% ipa where I live so maybe acetone would be an option... but anyone using high proof drinking alcohol would probably end up with some in their product right? Both are very soluble in water.
 
Leaving the goo/acetate crystals in water for a day and stirring occasionally, then drying, redissolving in IPA and filtering got rid of the suspected calcium acetate and I'm left with clear red goo. I'd guess the same thing could be used for sodium acetate as well.
 
Awesome Slewb! Let's hear about your bioessay! I have a batch iof changa made with MHRB that is extremely powerful/teacher shakedown the ego spice and one made with ACRB I suspect has more NMT and is more mediatative and relaxing.
 
Nicita said:
>making 3+ boils with a little acetic
>reducing to very small volume
>mix with lime
>dry
>pull with alcohol
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So I followed up on this idea last year.

>150g MHRB cooked 3 times with acetic acid
>combined and reduced
>added ~150g Calcium hydroxide
>dried in gentle heat (close to a wood stove)
>pulverized
>loaded in Soxhlet (100ml chamber), 1/3rd of total material filled the filter envelope
>added 500ml IPA to flask
>cycled for 120 minutes
>solvent first turned green, later brown
>repeat 2 times with fresh material and solvent
>combined pulls
>distilled off excess solvent
>evaporated reduced extraction in a pyrex dish

The yield was ~3,4g of viscous wax, smelling very spicy
I infused it into
b. caapi leafes+lions tail+blue lotus /crude b. caapi leaf extract /
1:1:1 resulting in ~10g fine changa
Residue from resolving the wax in IPA was minimal (<100mg), so there seem to be little Ca impurities.

About 100-150mg of this combined with full oral MAO inhibition gives a deep but gentle experience.
It feels quite different to crystalline DMT + MAO'Is, visuals always with black background, very fine and delicate fractal structures, deep connection to stars and space, always elves around.
They were very friendly and welcoming to me. 😁 😁

Due to distilling, the solvent use is minimal (around 200ml lost to evaporation) and the full spectrum extract seems to pull a lot of the mimosas magic.
From activity alone, I'd suspect the wax to be between 60-80% DMT.
Further purification could be easily done, but I don't really see the necessity. Maybe a little to determine purity.

All in all I really like this way of working without strong bases and petrochemicals.

I didn't take pictures, sorry.

Hope you find this information valuable 😉
 
Hope you find this information valuable 😉
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Thanks for that concise write up. It's answered the question I was pondering only a few days ago, of whether calcium carbonate is a viable base for these kinds of processes. It is indeed - it's very low solubility is apparently of little consequence, and may even be quite helpful.

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endlessness said:
Btw, you really meant calcium carbonate, not calcium hydroxide, yes?
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D***, of cause I meant Ca(OH)2, calcium hydroxide... Thank you for pointing that out, I don't why I mixed that up :oops:

I'll just change that real quick:p
 
I havent done it but yes it should def work.. cant guarantee you what the final product will look like, may be more or less gooey, one color or another, but dmt will def come across to the final product, you can always infuse herbs/changa with the resulting product if its not dry enough to be manageable.
 
Nicita said:
endlessness said:
Btw, you really meant calcium carbonate, not calcium hydroxide, yes?
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D***, of cause I meant Ca(OH)2, calcium hydroxide... Thank you for pointing that out, I don't why I mixed that up :oops:

I'll just change that real quick:p
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Do you think calcium carbonate would work? I have a nice bag of powdered eggshells which are around 95% calcium carbonate.
EDIT:
Did my research, looks like NOPE. Eggshells will go to my tomatoes.
 
Hello There,

We tried this method on Acacia Simplex Trunk Bark, looking for a way without lye.

We have done this tek 2 times, the first on 25g middly powdered bark, the second on 50g finelly powdered bark.

In the first batch, we f****** the 2 first pull with excess sodium carbonate and leaved them. A 3rd pull with ethanol has been done and evaped it.
During evaporation, oil appeared. We putted inside harbs for infusing (weed, damiana, mint leaves). Theses herbs were well infused, so we measured 200mg of theses herbs, smoked it in a join with 2 ppl. 1 toke turn the join, let the smoke in the lungs until join come back.
In 3 toke, everybody felt the effect, Smooth, deep, a bit visual and effects lasted more thank just DMT, the body was more loaded or grounded. The product smell DMT, but many things more.

On the second batch, 2 pull have been done with IPA, then tthe 2 pull filtered 3 times. Evaped the combined pull and got this :

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This extract (1,5g) was oil that solidify with air during scrapping (like the result in the stb extraction) and stated as solid until now at room temp. The aspect of this extract, we can see (not in the photo) some small light from xtalz, it's a bit fatty as if you take a little between the finger it become like butter then it disappear (absorbed i think) letting a nice smelling (unlike freebase dmt).
This has not been bio assayed yet, just evap test (like vaping conditions), it melt not easily as dmt, it evap slowly then let some dark residue. The smell is principaly sweet flower, smooth smoke, then deep old man.

Beside this we smoked 3/4 join with this herbs, and everybody seems to say that it was more profound, mostly body intensive (you're like a tree) and bit visuals(as it was small doses).

We gonna take a look with a bit of product for washing it.
This tek seem definitely a good path to explore.

Cheers all.
 
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