extraction problem

[bionecrosis]

I followed CYB salt tek:
1. 30 gr grinded MHRB was cooked in 120 ml water PH 3.3 for 1.5h at low heat
2. 17 gr salt was disolved in 80 ml water and added to the bark. The texture changed.
3. 30 gr soda caustic was disolved in 120 ml water and added to teh bark with 100 ml clear watedr more. Final PH was 13.3.Heated the solution for about and hour and let it sit for 16h.
4. 6 x 25ml low heated heptan pull used but proabably didn't let the heptan separate good because of color changed.(The last pull weited more and saw better separation. Each pull was about 30sec mooving and let searate x 3.Heptane was placed in evap dish and some white cristals was forming with strong smell(first pull completly evaporated befor I did the rest.)
5. Half of heptan was evaporated and placed the dish for 3h in -24 celsius.Remooved the nafta and dried the dish.Some brown crystals was formed and after scrap it was around 0.5 gr(didn't weighted)Some condesatiom ocured also and probably the cristal was wet.
About 40 ml warm heptan was used to disolve the dmt.Some of the cristal disoleved but a lot brown shit was still inside.I separated the two liquids after I decided that they can't mix(proably some basic soution sucked befor)I throw the brown shit and did a wash with small amount of sodium carbonate - 5 ml to the nafta 30-40 ml.Something like yellow oil formed in the middle of the two layers.I thout it was crashing dmt and reheated the solution.Nothing heppend and I keep the hetptane only and the yellow oil in the rubish.Did 2 more washes with 5 ml clear water and after two hours in the -24 celsius fridg nothing ofrming. What did I wrong with the re and should I use more heptane for the pulls.What about the heptane and mixrure temperature. I heat only the heptan becaue already a jar exploaded after heated both liquids. (no space was in the jar almost)what about the condensations, how to avoid them

 

[Sakkadelic]

No it won't dissolve the bark, not even the DMT. It just breaks up the bark so DMT is freebased and freed into solution, you can pour of the solution leaving the bark behind but there's no need for that, just add your NPS and do the pulls normally.

 

[bionecrosis]

Ok,I did experimental extraction from 24gr bark.It wasn´t powdered ,just added water at 13.4PH and let it rest for week.I did 4 pulls with 25 ML hot heptan.Both heptan and base solution were hot.Ten minutes strong shake ,let it separete and 3 times each,after third shake the solvent was rested for around 15 min for good separation.I put the solvent in fridge -24 celsius for around 20 hours.The result was some cristal form yellow dmt and some floating brown powder.I filtered the powder and dryed it and it gave me brown oily substance,I mixed them both and did 3 re with 10 ml heptane.At third re I didnt found any segment rest in the liquid and did evaporation on them.Why I bring brown oily dmt and why the solvent rest colored?I evaporeted the rest of the solvent and same thing heppend,I get some dryed powders on the dish and when scrapping it some oily structure dmt appear in the middle.I don´t thing any solvent rest becaUSE no smell was there.Also this dmt don´t have any dmt spesific smell.Where is the problem guys?Why not all of the dmt break upon freeze,it was cloudy almost milky atleast when it was cold.
Thanks

 

[DmnStr8]

 

[bionecrosis]

Bump,
Why after third re the stuff was stil oily and something brown.Why after 20 h in freezer the half of the dmt still was like some dust inside the solvent

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Bump,
Why after third re the stuff was stil oily and something brown.Why after 20 h in freezer the half of the dmt still was like some dust inside the solvent

Because these things happen sometimes. DMT is funny (strange) stuff.

To get bigger crystals, try cooling your solvent more slowly.

When recrystallising try to leave the brown stuff behind in the first place. If you dissolve it it tends to crash out first.

 

[bionecrosis]

I think the problem is more about the hot pulls,thats why it sucks more black goo and oily structur DMT.The final product after 3 re where more similar to hashish not dmt.And when was hot it was somethinkg like brown oil something similar to QWISO.I think that some part of the plant rest in the solvent whith the pulls and thats why it changes color.Actualy I shaked strong and little bubbles formed.They separated good after 3-4 min.I readed something not long ti me ago for teanines o
I am thinking Zippo fluid will be my next choice backsalting again and pulling with the finest heptan.Also it seems nafta pulls requires less time.What amount of acid water u recomendade for 300 ml solvent with estimated 1,5 gr spice?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

when was hot it was somethinkg like brown oil

That's exactly what I'm getting at.

What amount of acid water u recomendade for 300 ml solvent with estimated 1,5 gr spice?

I recommend calculating at least one proton equivalent per DMT equivalent. The volume to which this corresponds depends on your choice of acid.

 

[Lumina]

You want purity? Use less heat. Do teks cold...

What he said! ^
Solutions should be warm, not hot!

3-4 minutes is not enough time for separation. 15 min. is ideal. Even if the solvent looks clear, fine particles of plant will still remain suspended in the non polar. And then the lack of patience only culminates with migrating base mix into your pulls... no wonder the brown result. This should be a matter of concern for backsalting stages as well. Even if separation occurs faster when doing the mini a/b, emulsions still form and you could easily contaminate your pulls if you will not allow enough sep. time.

... And in general try not to shake!

 

[bionecrosis]

when was hot it was somethinkg like brown oil

That's exactly what I'm getting at.

What amount of acid water u recomendade for 300 ml solvent with estimated 1,5 gr spice?

I recommend calculating at least one proton equivalent per DMT equivalent. The volume to which this corresponds depends on your choice of acid.

Dude ur comment on second question is confusing.I don´t know other sinification of proton apart of the atom proton.And u say that this deppent of the acid choice.Well I am using HCL adn I don´t think there will be some difference if PH is achived.I can figure and estimate the liquid regard the first ammount of bark disolved in acuid water ,but something less.

 

[bionecrosis]

You want purity? Use less heat. Do teks cold...

What he said! ^
Solutions should be warm, not hot!

3-4 minutes is not enough time for separation. 15 min. is ideal. Even if the solvent looks clear, fine particles of plant will still remain suspended in the non polar. And then the lack of patience only culminates with migrating base mix into your pulls... no wonder the brown result. This should be a matter of concern for backsalting stages as well. Even if separation occurs faster when doing the mini a/b, emulsions still form and you could easily contaminate your pulls if you will not allow enough sep. time.

... And in general try not to shake!

Do u think I can contamine the mini AB acid solution.I think I can use 50 % of the liguid used befor separated at three pulls and half of the NPS used befor for 3 pulls ,is dificult for me to calculate becasue of the two steps.

 

[Lumina]

Not the acid solution. It’s about the non polar solvent.

To answer your question, I don’t think you can contaminate the acid step. It’s pretty straight forward. If you can’t calculate your mol masses just prepare some acidic solution at PH 3 and do 3 separate pulls on the loaded nps to make sure you’ve transfered everything into the acid phase. For best results search and follow Earthwalkers mini ab tek with pictorial.