Failed Ayahuasca Again and Again

[Mesh]

Hey all, I'm prepping a new ayahuasca brew today. For some reason, the ~6 brews I've made and taken before did nothing.
Generally, I take 3-5 grams of syrian rue, wait 30 minutes then drink my admix.
I've tried mimosa (10g) brewed both as a tea (warm) and as a CWE (I believe I used 15g for that) ((Mimosa has been successfuly extracted from before, so I know the goods are there).
I've tried Acacia (15g) (admittedly, I haven't tested for the presence of DMT with an actual extraction) in a tea (warm)

And I've tried Chaliponga (7g) with little activity.

The Syrian Rue has been extracted from to test for harmalas, and they are obviously present.
I'm just not sure what I'm doing wrong with such a simple process. I use spring water with a thimbleful of distilled white vinegar for each pull.
I've read that some people simply don't feel anything for their first few brews, but c'mon, this is getting ridiculous. Anyone with experience have anecdotes about this?

SO, I'm brewing a new mix. 15g Chaliponga, 30g mimosa and 3-5g encapsulated syrian rue to be taken before hand.
Probably will split it into 2 or 3 doses, but I am still worried that all of a sudden my resistance will be gone.
I'm looking for advice and anecdotes on ayahuasca not working a few times for first timers.

EDIT: I am also thinking about adding like 5 milligrams of jimjam. Would this be effective to consume with the brew?

 

[Spiritofspice]

It's the rue.

Are you taking the seeds whole in casuals?
I have hopeless luck with pharma but boiling the rue and drinking it works every time.
Do you feel the effects of the rue before you drink the mimosa.

 

[Mesh]

I've thought I've felt effects, but of course, placebo can be powerful. My stomach slightly cramps and I get a slight inebriated head-space.

 

[d*l*b]

How have you been dosing the rue previously? Capsules? Boiled whole seed? Boiled ground seed?

 

[Jox]

Mesh,

Wonder why don't you do,pharma?

Even with good extracting, it still takes time to find numbers that work.

I am not sure, but it seems that people who smoke a lots of weed have higher tolerance, I have a post regarding this, but it was not clear, but in Peru,,the centers say that it takes time for the weed to get out of the system for Aya to work.

Let us know how it goes.

Best
Jox

 

[arcologist]

I am not sure, but it seems that people who smoke a lots of weed have higher tolerance, I have a post regarding this, but it was not clear, but in Peru,,the centers say that it takes time for the weed to get out of the system for Aya to work.

Interesting, I am a heavy weed smoker and have a pretty high tolerance for DMT. I have only had 1 successful time with pharma out of maybe 15 attempts with astronomical doses. Vaped I need 85mg to break through reliably.

I would try taking the rue + DMT together in the same brew, my best results haven been with that.

 

[jamie]

I dont think smoking weed makes ayahuasca work less. That makes little sense and is not true IME. Silly new age stuff.

 

[universecannon]

10g of mimosa is enough to plow anyone over if they take enough rue. I'd be interested in hearing your answers to DLB's questions to.

Maybe try just dosing rue tea on it's own while meditating in the dark and find the dose that really starts to bring out it's activity. Then, once your in it, drink a little bit more rue along with your dose of mimosa or acacia.

All that said, some people just seem to need several attempts before it really starts to work for some reason.

 

[universecannon]

"the centers say that it takes time for the weed to get out of the system for Aya to work"

I can't speak for others but that hasn't been my experience at all. If anything frequent cannabis makes me more sensitive to things. And during the aya/pharma, weed helps me manage the nausea while at the same time intensifying the experience.

 

[○]

Hey all, I'm prepping a new ayahuasca brew today. For some reason, the ~6 brews I've made and taken before did nothing.
Generally, I take 3-5 grams of syrian rue, wait 30 minutes then drink my admix.
I've tried mimosa (10g) brewed both as a tea (warm) and as a CWE (I believe I used 15g for that) ((Mimosa has been successfuly extracted from before, so I know the goods are there).
I've tried Acacia (15g) (admittedly, I haven't tested for the presence of DMT with an actual extraction) in a tea (warm)

And I've tried Chaliponga (7g) with little activity.

The Syrian Rue has been extracted from to test for harmalas, and they are obviously present.
I'm just not sure what I'm doing wrong with such a simple process. I use spring water with a thimbleful of distilled white vinegar for each pull.
I've read that some people simply don't feel anything for their first few brews, but c'mon, this is getting ridiculous. Anyone with experience have anecdotes about this?

SO, I'm brewing a new mix. 15g Chaliponga, 30g mimosa and 3-5g encapsulated syrian rue to be taken before hand.
Probably will split it into 2 or 3 doses, but I am still worried that all of a sudden my resistance will be gone.
I'm looking for advice and anecdotes on ayahuasca not working a few times for first timers.

EDIT: I am also thinking about adding like 5 milligrams of jimjam. Would this be effective to consume with the brew?

How long are you brewing the rue and mimosa/etc for?

You said you made a 'tea(warm)', what does that mean? How long did you boil for? And CWEs have never worked well ime.

For caapi vine, i'll typically brew 3x2 boils. For rue, ill usually do 3x1 boils. For the admix - like mhrb for example, i'll do 3x1.5 or 3x2 boils.

Some say that those times are overkill, same say not so much; but ime, i've never had a weak brew.

 

[Mesh]

Thanks for the responses guys,
Let me start by saying by 'warm' I mean I simmer at just beneath boiling, in ph 4 water 3x3hrs the mimosa and chagroponga.
I'm a big fan of the ease of capsules, which is why I usually resort to them. I've had the rue tea twice. After reading your posts I will attempt to find the sweet spot for me with this rue.

Regarding pharmahuasca, I'm certainly not opposed, but I want to experience the brewed tea first. At this point is a bit of proving to myself that I can produce a working brew. I mean, this should be easier than the actual extractions I've done.

As per the smoking, I'm a habitual, so maybe I will taper off for a bit for this current brew.

As of this post, my dmt-admixes are done, so I will brew the syrian rue and try out different doses of the tea.

 

[d*l*b]

Is the rue in capsules whole or ground?

 

[Mesh]

Whole, is grinding necessary?

 

[Jox]

Mesh,

if you were doing a tee with whole seeds that explains it all, the harmalas didn't work because none was in the tee.

But, the most important, 10g of MHRB, is al lot. I imagine it is inner bark? You can get yourself in trouble with this amount.

To make sure to know if and how the harmalas work, first make a rue tee and take it without MHRB, if you have a heavy body load you know the harmalas are in and working correctly. If you vomit and have hard time, it will be much worst with MHRB.

Next time add MHRB,,I would start with 2 g, you don't have to boil it, I do cold brew, 5 days in ph 2 or 3 in h3po4, and neutralize it with sod carb, 20ml of water for the brew. It is an option not to cook it. If you cook it you must decant it.

Still don't get why don't you do pharma, rue and mimo are not traditionally used as Aya, if tradition is what you are after. Both plants are heavy on the system and both have unwanted stuff.

EDIT
I see a lots of responses on cannabis and Aya in this thread of mine was the discussion, please comment there if interested, thanx.

 

[universecannon]

You can still get a lot of harmalas in you via whole rue seed tea, but it will be more effective if you grind it first.

Also for rue, mimosa, chali, and chacruna, (not sure on acacia), 3x3half hr boils is fine. 3x3hrs is the "standard" for caapi.

And don't be afraid to keep the rue on a rolling boil. There is no need to simmer.

You might want to try dosing them closer together instead of waiting 30 minutes if you haven't yet. Or try what I suggested in my first post. It also helps to eat a bite of good food to help kick digestion in during the come up.

 

[Hjortron]

Whole, is grinding necessary?

Grinding isn't enough. You want to make the rue seeds into a pure powder. I would say that a mixer/blender is necessary.

And then just weigh up 3g, and swallow it as it is. You don't even have to make a brew out of it.

If you take 15g mimosa with that, good luck and see you in another eternity

 

[d*l*b]

Whole, is grinding necessary?

Grinding isn't enough. You want to make the rue seeds into a pure powder. I would say that a mixer/blender is necessary.

A coffee/spice grinder is a great tool for doing this, a pestle and mortar would work just as well.

 

[Hjortron]

A coffee/spice grinder is a great tool for doing this, a pestle and mortar would work just as well.

The thing is, you want to make it as powdery as possible. I've tried a pestle and mortar, and it would take hours upon hours and lots of effort, only to get anywhere close to what a blender gets you in 30 seconds and zero effort.

 

[d*l*b]

Not sure about “hours and hours” to grind enough for a dose, a few minutes and a bit of elbow grease is a bit more like it! If you’re not up for the physical bit, a blender or coffee/spice grinder will be a lot faster and less work though.

I like a coffee/spice grinder for smaller amounts, personally. They well suited to doing a few grams, larger amounts I would use a blender

 

[Mesh]

Thanks everyone, I'll grind up the seeds from now on, bioassay them and then move on to the whole brew.