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What is your favorite cubensis, and why?
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Favorite Cubensis
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ntwhtyouknw
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The most potent Cubensis I've had by far were found in a pasture.
Texas strain, of course.
why? because they're legit.
why? because they're legit.
astralspice
Rising Star
I really was lookin forward to growing some texas but it faild big time lol, I think my favourite may be amazonz so far because they seem to be 'uppers' and I find myself laughing alot which is great, and there dosent seem to be much of the self analysis stage. B+ are good because they are very visually strong for me and alot of fun to relax and close my eyes. APE are just crazy in general
2g of Syrian Rue and 60g of fresh Philippine cubensis, I think the Quezon strain, was I the highest in some respects I have ever been. We bought 200g fresh and the aim was essentially to consume the mushrooms until we could feel them coming on, having already consumed the rue. It wasn't very long until I realised that I was going far deeper on mushrooms than I had ever been before. Absolute bliss and totally outrageous visions. Also some crazy emotional see sawing. At some point I asked my friend "Is this it?" a few times over, and he wasn't sure what I was on about as you can probably imagine...what I think I meant at the time was is this nirvana?? There was some heavy duty wind warpage going on that night, incredible, and my last mushroom trip I think before they were made illegal here in the UK. Ecuadorians are great too, potent and prolific fruiters.
Shamasi Wiz
kissing stars, pissing lightning, dancing upside d
I love them all, but the Amazons stand out as far as potency goes. :shock:
stolenface
Rising Star
Creeper, Z strain, Golden teachers.....this is all the same strain that different vendors renamed. These are the most potent cubies that Ive ever eaten. althought most of the times Ive goomed I ate my own. Ive grown this strain and Ive actually obtained some from an outside source who had these and they kicked my ass every time. Very visual
when i was 15 a friend gave me a big bad of hawaiians that he had nicked from his dad, he was too scared to try them but wanted to know what they were like. i had never so much as googled mushrooms at that point and all i knew about them was a story they told us in school about a guy hiding in his closet because he was scared of dragons. I thaught, cool! and went out to the Great park in Windsor, and munched as many as i could without evan thinking of the word doseage. An hour later i was in a bliss that to be honest i havnt felt from mushies since that day!
ganjaman said:
I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree with this statement...
I have tried more than 20 different P. Cubensis strains and they were all drastically different...the varying chemical makeup of each strain is just one of the things that make them different.
Saying all cubes are alike is like saying all ganja is alike no matter where it came from.
ganjaman said:
I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree with this statement...
I have tried more than 20 different P. Cubensis strains and they were all drastically different...the varying chemical makeup of each strain is just one of the things that make them different.
Saying all cubes are alike is like saying all ganja is alike no matter where it came from.
What are the varying makeups of the strains? Are they documented? I've never seen anything on this, but it could certainly exist.Eliyahu said:
I think a question worth asking, given the tremendous amount of genetic variance even within a single so-called "strain" is, are mushrooms from different "strains" more varied as far as chemical composition than mushrooms from various sub-strains of any given strain? If not, then the statement "a cube is a cube" (as many underground mycologists are fond of saying) holds weight...if not, then there might actually be something to be said for strains.
Is there even information on this to any satisfying degree? I haven't stumbled across it over the past years of working with fungi.
SnozzleBerry.....
I did try to find some type of scientific evidence to back up my claim but
found nothing besides mere speculation
I believe the lack of official information surrounding this has to do with the lack of official P. cubensis research.
All I have to contribute is my humble theory based on personal observations of working with the fungi:
The more scientific sounding part of my theory goes like this...
it is established that there are the following compounds in P.Cubensis:
Psilocybin (4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine)
Psilocin (4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine)
Baeocystin (4-phosphoryloxy-N-methyltryptamine)
Norbaeocystin (4-phosphoryloxytryptamine)
It is my belief that baeocystin and possibly Norbaeocystin are responsible for the some of the unpleasant physical effects associated with P cubensis mushroom consumption.
It is also known that psilocybin and psilocin have different effects. However I believe it is debatable what those differences actually are.
It is my observation that individual mushroom strains contain varying amounts of these compounds, therefore causing varying effects.
It is pretty well established as far as I am aware that Thai mushrooms tend to be more potent on average (by weight) than south american varieties. So it only serves to reason that other compound levels might fluctuate as well.
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From my purely spiritual--"no probable way It could be proven" mystical type viewpoint..
I believe that the mushroom evolve differently depending on their location on the globe..
(In a similar fashion to marijuana)...Therefore the birthplace of any given strain sculpts each strains individual atheistic differences....these differences are not just skin deep I also believe that when a person consumes mushrooms grown in say Guadalajara mexico, or Tibet that the person can tap into the genetic information that corresponds to those places.
I also believe if a person grows a Cubensis mushroom strain in a respectful manner that they are able to develop a certain type of symbiotic relationship with that strain. That is to say the mushroom strain will intuitively morph it's genetic information in order to imprint the genetic information of it's cultivator.....this is just one of the many symbiotic benefits of cubensis cultivation
If someone is able to obtain a mushroom strain that has a history of ancient indigenous use then I think it is possible to tap into that as well...
I have also heard stories of bad folk putting "bad vibes" or black magic type voodoo into the mushrooms to be "funny"...even if that isn't the case I wouldn't want to take mushrooms that have been grown by a badly negative person..
This is part of the reason I will never take "street" mushrooms.
just food for thought with a side of conjecture,,,,,
Thanks
I did try to find some type of scientific evidence to back up my claim but
found nothing besides mere speculation
I believe the lack of official information surrounding this has to do with the lack of official P. cubensis research.
All I have to contribute is my humble theory based on personal observations of working with the fungi:
The more scientific sounding part of my theory goes like this...
it is established that there are the following compounds in P.Cubensis:
Psilocybin (4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine)
Psilocin (4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine)
Baeocystin (4-phosphoryloxy-N-methyltryptamine)
Norbaeocystin (4-phosphoryloxytryptamine)
It is my belief that baeocystin and possibly Norbaeocystin are responsible for the some of the unpleasant physical effects associated with P cubensis mushroom consumption.
It is also known that psilocybin and psilocin have different effects. However I believe it is debatable what those differences actually are.
It is my observation that individual mushroom strains contain varying amounts of these compounds, therefore causing varying effects.
It is pretty well established as far as I am aware that Thai mushrooms tend to be more potent on average (by weight) than south american varieties. So it only serves to reason that other compound levels might fluctuate as well.
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From my purely spiritual--"no probable way It could be proven" mystical type viewpoint..
I believe that the mushroom evolve differently depending on their location on the globe..
(In a similar fashion to marijuana)...Therefore the birthplace of any given strain sculpts each strains individual atheistic differences....these differences are not just skin deep I also believe that when a person consumes mushrooms grown in say Guadalajara mexico, or Tibet that the person can tap into the genetic information that corresponds to those places.
I also believe if a person grows a Cubensis mushroom strain in a respectful manner that they are able to develop a certain type of symbiotic relationship with that strain. That is to say the mushroom strain will intuitively morph it's genetic information in order to imprint the genetic information of it's cultivator.....this is just one of the many symbiotic benefits of cubensis cultivation
If someone is able to obtain a mushroom strain that has a history of ancient indigenous use then I think it is possible to tap into that as well...
I have also heard stories of bad folk putting "bad vibes" or black magic type voodoo into the mushrooms to be "funny"...even if that isn't the case I wouldn't want to take mushrooms that have been grown by a badly negative person..
This is part of the reason I will never take "street" mushrooms.
just food for thought with a side of conjecture,,,,,
Thanks
Parshvik Chintan
Rising Star
i can't speak for chemical composition, but having mixed several strains of cubes (tasmanian, thai, hawaiian, and one other that slips my mind) there are definite traits that are noticeable between the strains (the hawaiian cap is tri colored going from gold in the center to grey around it to white on the edge, while the other strains' caps were brown, the tasmanian had 'nipples' while the others didn't, etc) and you could definitely see show up in the offspring (which is how i knew my hybridization worked in the first place).SnozzleBerry said:
i could only assume their alkaloid profile (as with most plants) would be variable both between strain and individual, we did sample them but never at the same dose so i couldn't make a reasonable bioassay without regrowing the pre-hybrid mushies and comparing them (which seeing as how i am preparing 8 more jars i very well might do that).
but i have no evidence to back this up other than the visible traits of the cubes.
d-T-r
Rising Star
does anyone know how strong cubensis are in comparison to say Psilocybe semilanceata ? (English liberty caps)
my friend has had the libs before ,but never had any cubensis and he is wondering if 1g of Mexican cubensis and 100mg caapi copy would bring him to round about the same place that 1.8g of the libs and 100mg of the caapi did.
in fairness the libs and caapi combo may have even been too much so he's wondering if 1g of the mexicans and the c.c will do the trick ,or if he should get another gram of them.
my friend has had the libs before ,but never had any cubensis and he is wondering if 1g of Mexican cubensis and 100mg caapi copy would bring him to round about the same place that 1.8g of the libs and 100mg of the caapi did.
in fairness the libs and caapi combo may have even been too much so he's wondering if 1g of the mexicans and the c.c will do the trick ,or if he should get another gram of them.
This would make sense, because potent mushrooms are a lot "cleaner" while eating tons of weak mushrooms tends to leave one rather intoxicated. Is there a good way to detect these chemicals? If so, several batches of several popular strains should be tested. But this might be a task of epic proportions so i doubt we're gonna see any hard evidence anytime soon. And anecdotal evidence is no good because, obviously, hype and placebo play an important role here.
On a sidenote, the lemon tek might produce a cleaner experience because the massive psylocin intake overpowers the unpleasant compounds. Maybe mushroom effects are also determined by the ratio of each compound in relation to each other.
d-T-r,
In my experience, libs seem to be up to 3x as potent as cubes., so a similar dose with cubes should be quite gentle in comparison.
In my experience, libs seem to be up to 3x as potent as cubes., so a similar dose with cubes should be quite gentle in comparison.
My favorite cubie strain personally is the Syzygy strain, closely followed by the Penis Envy. I've found both these strains to be particularly potent and visual strains that seem to stand out from the rest of the cubies I've encountered.
Of course when it comes right down to it, the differences in cubensis varieties are fairly negligible when compared to the differences between things like cubies and pan cyans or p azures.
Of course when it comes right down to it, the differences in cubensis varieties are fairly negligible when compared to the differences between things like cubies and pan cyans or p azures.
obliguhl said:
Hmmmmm, I dont know about that. Not sure I agree. Anually I eat quite a few psilocybe mushrooms that contain high levels of baeocystin, specifically the mushroom P. baeocystis. I know the levels arent huge in there but they are higher than cubes. I have never experienced any discomfort, or even heard of that in mushrooms containing higher levels of that compound.
Doesnt mean it isnt so, interesting.