Finally got everything I needed. Now what?

[IKilledSanta]

So after I failed consuming my MHRB DMT extraction with an oil burner, and also with the sandwich method (bung), I am ready to try (and hopefully to succeed) with e juice.
I think I got everything I need, but before I start to do things, I wanted to verify and get some tips.

I got:
- 0.5 gram of extracted DMT crystals
- Sub-Ohm vape with 5ml tank that have adjustable wattage
- 100% PG vape juice
- Critic acid

I don't have much DMT left because I spent it all on my failed smoking attempts. So I want to get this right and to try it on the smallest amount I can.
Since this will be my first actual experience, I want to be able to smoke a few puffs before diving too deep to the hyperspace. I was thinking about 5-6 puffs for a full experience, so I can have some linear progress with it.
My plan was to go with: 0.25 mg dmt + 1 gram of PG + 30 mg critic acid. How does that sound?

Also, a few more questions:
1. How bad is it that my vape cart is made out plastic? will it damage the experience?
2. My solution will be about 1.5ml. Is it enough to smoke in a 5ml cart? I am afraid this it too little
3. I want to use the more yellowish and oily dmt I have and save up the nicer crystals. Will that work?

Besides that, any tip would be helpful. I am new to both DMT and vaping.

 

[dazultra]

I'm pretty new to this, too, but I've been using a more potent mix than that. I find it good for some visuals and a good introduction into DMT, but I end up taking at least 9 hits, its a lot of work if you want to go deeper. I just end up with enjoyable visuals. I've been using a 500 mg to 1 mL ratio, so for the same ratio, I'd use 0.25mg DMT to 0.5 mL PG (1 part DMT, 2 parts PG, 0.3 parts citric acid).
It's a nice ratio, but I think I will try a stronger one next time, maybe 1:1 or stronger.
I don't know about plastic vapes. The ones I use are glass-ceramic 1ml carts, which I guess are healthier without leaching plastic.
I have no idea about the holy DMT. I get a yellow olly goo when I evaporate with Xylene, but the next day, I melt it into heptane and freeze to get yellow crystals.

 

[Transform]

evaporate with Xylene

It might be more economical and better for your environment if you do the transfer to heptane via a mini A/B. You know, dash of vinegar in the xylene, pull that off, lye in the vinegar, pull warm with heptane, then freeze precip.

This also means you get to reuse the xylene.

 

[IKilledSanta]

I'm pretty new to this, too, but I've been using a more potent mix than that. I find it good for some visuals and a good introduction into DMT, but I end up taking at least 9 hits, its a lot of work if you want to go deeper. I just end up with enjoyable visuals. I've been using a 500 mg to 1 mL ratio, so for the same ratio, I'd use 0.25mg DMT to 0.5 mL PG (1 part DMT, 2 parts PG, 0.3 parts citric acid).
It's a nice ratio, but I think I will try a stronger one next time, maybe 1:1 or stronger.
I don't know about plastic vapes. The ones I use are glass-ceramic 1ml carts, which I guess are healthier without leaching plastic.
I have no idea about the holy DMT. I get a yellow olly goo when I evaporate with Xylene, but the next day, I melt it into heptane and freeze to get yellow crystals.

Thanks. So i'll try 0.25 dmt and 0.5 pg with some critic acid.
Have you loaded your vape with such small amount and had success?

 

[dazultra]

Thanks. So i'll try 0.25 dmt and 0.5 pg with some critic acid.
Have you loaded your vape with such small amount and had success?

Yea, that's what I did the first time. My cart was only 1mL and about 1/3 full, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's nice and chill doing it; you take a drag, hold it for 20+ seconds, and go again until you see nice visuals; they were stronger than any trip I have ever had. I don't think you will break through. I guess everyone is different, but it's a great introduction, at least. Ensure your vape pen is set to low power; you don't want to burn it. Good luck with it!

 

[dazultra]

It might be more economical and better for your environment if you do the transfer to heptane via a mini A/B. You know, dash of vinegar in the xylene, pull that off, lye in the vinegar, pull warm with heptane, then freeze precip.

This also means you get to reuse the xylene.

Thanks! Is there a guide to a mini A/B or is it easy to do? Does the vinegar take the dmt out of the Xylene? How do you pull off such tiny amounts is there a good tool to use? How much Lye would I use with a dash? Thanks for the tips!

 

[IKilledSanta]

Yea, that's what I did the first time. My cart was only 1mL and about 1/3 full, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's nice and chill doing it; you take a drag, hold it for 20+ seconds, and go again until you see nice visuals; they were stronger than any trip I have ever had. I don't think you will break through. I guess everyone is different, but it's a great introduction, at least. Ensure your vape pen is set to low power; you don't want to burn it. Good luck with it!

How low should i go?
Was thing of using 35w on my vape. Is it low enough?

Ill update on how it went

 

[dazultra]

How low should i go?
Was thing of using 35w on my vape. Is it low enough?

Ill update on how it went

On mine I use it on 2.8v to 3.2v not sure how that translates, I would say start low and work up if it smells like burning plastic you've gone too high.
The vape is great, I love how you can keep going with it, some times I spend an hour just upping the dose and remaining in visuals without the breakthrough which is a nice worthwhile experience in itself.
Good luck, I hope it works for you!

 

[Transform]

Thanks! Is there a guide to a mini A/B or is it easy to do? Does the vinegar take the dmt out of the Xylene? How do you pull off such tiny amounts is there a good tool to use? How much Lye would I use with a dash? Thanks for the tips!

It's not an exact procedure - it's pretty simple overall and has a lot of leeway on the figures for any of it. I would encourage you to take a more exact approach by applying some fairly straightforward arithmetic to the chemical equations of each step of the process. This small investment of preparation and understanding will set you up well for a large number of other situations one may encounter during extractions.

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[IKilledSanta]

Yea, that's what I did the first time. My cart was only 1mL and about 1/3 full, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's nice and chill doing it; you take a drag, hold it for 20+ seconds, and go again until you see nice visuals; they were stronger than any trip I have ever had. I don't think you will break through. I guess everyone is different, but it's a great introduction, at least. Ensure your vape pen is set to low power; you don't want to burn it. Good luck with it!

Hey, just tried what we talked about an the e-liquid became like honey. It was thick and unsomkeable.
I was using 0.5mg of PG not 0.5ml, does that matter? Should I add more PG?

Only when it is hot it becomes liquid like

 

[Qoniaq]

Hi all,

New to the Nexus, but not to the Spice. Old school OG tripper here.

When I make my Djuice, I place the PG in a shot glass, and place the glass in a bowl of just-boiled water. I usually do .7g spice to .3ml PG. In the hot PG, it dissolves great. I mix it up with the tip of the syringe I will use to suck it up. I then put it in a 1ml cart. while still hot, and screw the cap on. ) It is ready to use in a few minutes. I do find that a newly minted cart seems subjectively stronger thatn an old cart, almost like HD-MT!!
With this concentration, my 'handshake, dose is a 5-6 second pull. A breakthrough is 3 pulls of 7-8 secs each.
I find carts to be the safest and more importanly, the SUREST way of getting there. You really cannot screw it up, nor do you have to work on technique. Some say it may be less economical. I say so what? I mean it costs pennes a trip when you extract yourself. Carts are portable, re-hittable mid-trip (almost to a DMTX level with some practice). I even carry one around for an occassional 'taste' hit (like 1-2 seconds, and I breathe it ever so slowly out my nose for that lovely, heavenly flavour I loooooove so much. Not even enough for a 'feeling', but really for the taste! I could bathe in it!!! (Anyone a perfumer here, or a cologne maker? Make some Deemz perfume, and I will buy some...or a scented candle or something! I mean Gwynneth has a hoochie smelling one, it must be possible. hahah))
When we have new trippers who want to try, I also make a low dose cart for them. A more 1 to 1 ratio. so .25g spice to .25ml PG in a .5ml cart. This allows them to 'lean into' the trip without having their heads ripped off. And let's them practice taking longer-than-a-weed-cart hits. When they are comfortable, we go to the .7g spice to .3pg in the 1ML cart. 1st with one big pull, then another run with 2 big pulls, and finally we end the day with a full breakthrough of 3 big pulls, if they are into it.
I have tried to make even stronger concentrations, I would love a ''one hit wonder'' cart, but I cannot seem to get more in without crystalization. So if anyonwe knows how to get a higher concentration in my carts without it all going to crystal, I am all ears.

NOTE: Be supremely careful when you get to the very end of the cart. I don't know why, maybe because of accumulatioin around the element, or something, but the hits from the very end of a cart are monuMENTAL. Just be aware. I have been hyperslpapped (in a good way) a few times when killing a cart! And there are a few full trips to have from the end of the cart, keep going till it tastes like burnt garbage.

We have used various batteries for the carts, and they all work about the same. I prefer the Yocan uni 3.0 because I can see the puff timer, the resistance, the voltage and the battery level, but my buddy uses a standard little pen battery, and has no issues. We have also used transparent tubing to 'lenghten' the cart tip, allowing us to keep the tube in mouth, and jusy press the button to add altitude. DMTX style. As for voltage, I find 3.9 or 4.0 volts is the sweet spot on the Uni 3.0.

Cheers all, would love your feedback.
Q

 

[IKilledSanta]

Hi all,

New to the Nexus, but not to the Spice. Old school OG tripper here.

When I make my Djuice, I place the PG in a shot glass, and place the glass in a bowl of just-boiled water. I usually do .7g spice to .3ml PG. In the hot PG, it dissolves great. I mix it up with the tip of the syringe I will use to suck it up. I then put it in a 1ml cart. while still hot, and screw the cap on. ) It is ready to use in a few minutes. I do find that a newly minted cart seems subjectively stronger thatn an old cart, almost like HD-MT!!
With this concentration, my 'handshake, dose is a 5-6 second pull. A breakthrough is 3 pulls of 7-8 secs each.
I find carts to be the safest and more importanly, the SUREST way of getting there. You really cannot screw it up, nor do you have to work on technique. Some say it may be less economical. I say so what? I mean it costs pennes a trip when you extract yourself. Carts are portable, re-hittable mid-trip (almost to a DMTX level with some practice). I even carry one around for an occassional 'taste' hit (like 1-2 seconds, and I breathe it ever so slowly out my nose for that lovely, heavenly flavour I loooooove so much. Not even enough for a 'feeling', but really for the taste! I could bathe in it!!! (Anyone a perfumer here, or a cologne maker? Make some Deemz perfume, and I will buy some...or a scented candle or something! I mean Gwynneth has a hoochie smelling one, it must be possible. hahah))
When we have new trippers who want to try, I also make a low dose cart for them. A more 1 to 1 ratio. so .25g spice to .25ml PG in a .5ml cart. This allows them to 'lean into' the trip without having their heads ripped off. And let's them practice taking longer-than-a-weed-cart hits. When they are comfortable, we go to the .7g spice to .3pg in the 1ML cart. 1st with one big pull, then another run with 2 big pulls, and finally we end the day with a full breakthrough of 3 big pulls, if they are into it.
I have tried to make even stronger concentrations, I would love a ''one hit wonder'' cart, but I cannot seem to get more in without crystalization. So if anyonwe knows how to get a higher concentration in my carts without it all going to crystal, I am all ears.

NOTE: Be supremely careful when you get to the very end of the cart. I don't know why, maybe because of accumulatioin around the element, or something, but the hits from the very end of a cart are monuMENTAL. Just be aware. I have been hyperslpapped (in a good way) a few times when killing a cart! And there are a few full trips to have from the end of the cart, keep going till it tastes like burnt garbage.

We have used various batteries for the carts, and they all work about the same. I prefer the Yocan uni 3.0 because I can see the puff timer, the resistance, the voltage and the battery level, but my buddy uses a standard little pen battery, and has no issues. We have also used transparent tubing to 'lenghten' the cart tip, allowing us to keep the tube in mouth, and jusy press the button to add altitude. DMTX style. As for voltage, I find 3.9 or 4.0 volts is the sweet spot on the Uni 3.0.

Cheers all, would love your feedback.
Q

Thanks!
Great info!
How do you load the liquid from the shot glass to the cart? Mine has a tiny hole

 

[blig-blug]

Thanks!
Great info!
How do you load the liquid from the shot glass to the cart? Mine has a tiny hole

Using a syringe.

 

[Qoniaq]

Thanks!
Great info!
How do you load the liquid from the shot glass to the cart? Mine has a tiny hole

you unscrew the top. I buy them new online, and I get screw tops, not the push tops. get a syringe with a flat metal tip, suck up the djuice from the shot glass, and slowly insert it in the cart between the center post and rhe side wall. squeeze djuice into cart. screw top on, invert for 30 seconds get everything juicy and voilà.

 

[IKilledSanta]

you unscrew the top. I buy them new online, and I get screw tops, not the push tops. get a syringe with a flat metal tip, suck up the djuice from the shot glass, and slowly insert it in the cart between the center post and rhe side wall. squeeze djuice into cart. screw top on, invert for 30 seconds get everything juicy and voilà.

Thanks.

I tried using a syringe, but once the liquid is cooling down, it becomes very thick. Like honey, and i cant pull it with the syringe.
Do i need to add more PG?

My mixture was 0.25mg DMT, 0.5mg PG, 0.1mg citric acid

 

[Qoniaq]

I use these syringes, you can search on the brazillian river site and you will find them:

1ml Reusable Glass Syringe-Luer lock metal Plunger & 14 Gauge-1/2" tips needles metal liquid syringe with plastic tubes 5 Pack​

They are great and feel really nice in the hand.

As for the carts, I use both 1ml and 0.5ml carts. I prefer ceramic, CCels work well, but anything is fine really. make sure you buy with a screw top, not a push top. Steer clear of 2ml carts unless you huff a ton a day, or supply the whole group. They take too long to finish, and the djuice turns dark orange, and can get crystally and gummy. Carts cost just a few bucks each. Not the place to try and save coins.
As far as re-using them, you CAN refill them, BUT; only when they are pretty much completely empty. Don't try and 'top them up', you will get leaks, and some djuice coming out the mouthpeice, which even for someone like me who looooooves the taste, is still nasty in the mouth. It will numb your lips and keep pulling you back from your trip. Not good. If this happens, you can add a length of rubber tubing to the cart's moutpeice, and the djuice wont make it to your lips. (also, if you are into extended trips, a foot long tube attached to the tip of the cart is great. You can leave it in your mouth, and just press that button whenever you need some lift. I get my hand on autopilot now. I can stay in for pretty much as long as I want. The next experiment will be a kind of CPAP rig, that shoots me a constant, tiny flow of vapour as I just sit back for a few hours.) I just chuck the carts out when they are well and truly finished.
It is best to add the djuice while it is hot, is helps 'seal' the cart as it cools, kinda like a mason jar. There will always be a teenie amount left in the syringe tip. You can leave it there, or flush your syringe. I just leave it there. It will go in the next cart.
If you want to explore with different concentrations, I suggest going with the smaller .5ml carts. This way, if you overload or underlaod a batch, you have not invested quite so much spice into the experiment. Make sure you get a scale with at least 2 décimal points (3 is better if you ever do emesh, etc.), and make sure it is at room temp, is level, has good batteries, and maybe even calibrated.
To store carts, store them tip side down. Counter intuitive as it is, it's the best way to avoid leaks. Long term, keep 'em inverted in the fridge, not the freezer. It may recryst a bit, I put it in my hand for a while to warm it up.
I have mentioned this before, but be very careful at the very end of a cart. Sometimes there is a massive mega-trip hidden in there that can sneak up and nibble your bum if you are not careful. Save the last puffs for the experienced trippers.
Don't make too many carts in advance. Spice is best kept in its powdered form for long term. Even best, keep is as MHRB and only do extractions as needed. For finished spice I use small amber bottles, filled to the very top, and I put these bottles in a large black opaque bottle filled with dessicant. Then in the fridge. I date the batches with a Ptouch as well. Any leftover spice stuck to the pyrex plate after extraction, or when I 'empty' an amber bottle, gets alcohol washed, and the alcohol is added to the jar of weed I keep for an eventual changa. I've been adding to it sooooo long...It's gonna pop someones head off.
Make sure you IMMEDIATELY label each cart. This is not a detail! I put the date, and the ratio on each cart. I even write DMT. Why? Well imagine I lose a cart, and some curious, innocent kid finds it, thinking its weed, or nicotine. Nuff said. At least they can choose to use or not!! I use a Ptouch printer for this. No messing around. so it will read: JAN9/26 .7g NNDMT: .3ml PG. Ptouch resists moisture and wear. It sticks great, Use the 1/4 black ink on white ribbon. NOTE: I also Ptouch mark the changa bottle.
This should be a pretty good starter. Have fun! Happy Hyperspacing!! Deemz away!

 

[Qoniaq]

Thanks.

I tried using a syringe, but once the liquid is cooling down, it becomes very thick. Like honey, and i cant pull it with the syringe.
Do i need to add more PG?

My mixture was 0.25mg DMT, 0.5mg PG, 0.1mg citric acid

Keep the shot glass in a ''bowl'' of near boiling water, careful not to get any water in the glass . Add your spice to the shot glass. The heat from the water should make it melt into the glass. Then add the PG. Mix constantly to get the spice to dissolve completely, and then as soon as the spice is incorporated, suck it up in the syringe, and pop into the cart while STILL HOT. Don't wait. Disolve, suck, fill, cap. I don't know what kind or syringe you are using either. Maybe you are using a surgical one with a tip opening that is too small. Get a flat tipped syringe to see. I do not add anything else, like citric acid or whatever. My aim is usually greater concentrations, so I want nothing else in there. Besides, its my favorite smell and taste in the world. ''Gives it to us Raw, my precious!'' Why mess with it, but you do as your feeling guides.
You do not need more PG. I often go as high as 3 or 4:1 ratio. You are a 1:2....even less with the citric acid. you are almost at 1:3. Not an issue. It will dissolve. If it does not, maybe it is the acid itself, I dunno, never used it. Try without. Aim for a minimum of 1:1 to trip otherwise you need too many puffs. 2:1 is even better. 3:1 is the sweet spot for me, but is a bit much for my trip buddy. He like 2:1
To each their own. Experiment. As they say, Go low, go slow, until you know.