Finally have located a viable DMT source in Central Texas

[fractalicious]

12/26/12 Update:
I was misinformed I did find two locations where the Desmanthus grows however it is not a periennial and dies back apparently, this seems like a great cover plant if you have some open field however it apparently needs some shade.

My most recent local find has turned out to be Arundo Donax the largest grass in Texas AKA Reed Cane.

It is a serious problem in the Rio Grande River and here near the Lake Austin Dams in Austin Texas.

Its desirable alkaloid content is supposedly around .005 percent and thus it is not a best pick, it contains a lot of undesirable alkaloids as well. Processing would require some serious effort. It is a highly abundant invasive species here in Texas, persons at botanical gardens cringe at mention of its name. It has a bad reputation for contaminating waters. This species grows in areas of low water crossings, creeks, ponds, lakes, dams, reservoirs. Its seeds are supposedly non-viable as it spreads by disturbed roots rhizomes.

My most recent searches have revealed arboretum raised examples of 3 locally occuring
species of Acacias, Berlandieri, Shaffneri, and Rigidula. These 3 species and their alkaloid content is "EXTREMMELY" controversial. I intend to find enough root and trunk bark, leaf and seed mass of one or more of these and then I will try to submit them to either a Nexian or University student to do a new analysis of to try to finally confirm or dispute the alkaloid content claimed in papers written on them previously.https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38455



It seems sticking to buying seeds and growing some Demanthus in spring is the best short term viable plant for me to source from. It is clearly proven in Ayahuasca experiences by experimenters and apparently was felt to be safe to use.

I think the most viable US mainland outdoor growing wild (Invasive) species would be Acacia Simplex in Florida. Sure you can grow Mimosa Hostilis Zone 9 (USDA) but it is going to take a decade for viable harestable plants.



OLD POST

Nexians, my local plant sourcing effort has finally borne fruit not a diamond and a little rough but better than none Desmanthus leptolobus, Its less preferable sister species desmanthus illinoensis is more common through the state of Texas.

Got it located to a physical address within 15 miles of home.

Trouts paper has clearly shown use of the plant in Ayahuasca and pharmahuasca preperations, with success.

Don't think it is commercially viable though but I am still counting my blessings since it is clearly a workable species. It is one of the few in trouts article on alkaloids that has had such extensive entheogenic testing.

I feel lucky since this occurs in my county but skips several counties in all directions in very broken distribution in about 20% of Texas counties.

This seems to be a short shruby plant and harvesting could prove challenging.

Hopefully one or more property owners in this known harvesting area will give me permissions to pull some up!

 

[Ambivalent]

maybe you can gather some seeds too, if there are any in this time of the year.

 

[Aftermath]

Good job, hope I can achieve the same around my area.

 

[Yeabuddy]

Have you been able to extract any? I live in Texas too

 

[fractalicious]

The controversy and quite frankly inept laziness surrounding the results of the Texas A and M studies of the alkaloid content to determine the potential causes of the Locomotor Ataxia in goats eating the Guajillo (common name) Acacias and closely related sister species of Rigidula and Berlandieri is phenomenal.

People that seem to know so much here and there in other forums blow a rasberry and say blank blank. Something from back of horse.

I just today located some info as follows about Alexander Shulgin reading these results and trying to contact the 3 writers of the paper to see if the results could be confimed.

Alexander Shulgin wrote Phikal phenylethlamines I have know and loved and created many unknown to man and then simply consumed them and wrote results, I love that CIA tried to recruit him and he said NO WAY am I going to design poisons etc for you.

In my irritation with what happens so often on internet where every one seems to just quote someone and has no initiative to deal in absolutes, I today am calling Texas A and M agricultural departments Dr. Forbes one of 3 writters of the paper he is still there.

Here is a quote of Dr.Shulgin who is a reknowned chemist of ultimate respectability:

I am familiar with the literature concerning these two West Texas Acacia species, but not with the plants themselves. I had both these PHYTOCHEMISTRY papers in my Acacia file but I must admit that I have some very mixed feelings about them.

What caught my curiosity immediately was the casual indifference shown to what is certainly an extraordinary discovery. Here, amongst some 40 or so alkaloids found in each of these two species, there were five amphetamines that had heretofore been thought to be inventions of man. Two of these are Schedule II drugs, Amphetamine and Methamphetamine. Two are Schedule I drugs, N,N-Dimethylamphetamine and 4-Methoxyamphetamine. And the fifth one is a major human metabolite of Amphetamine, 4-Hydroxyamphetamine. To my knowledge, none of these had ever before been reported as being natural plant alkaloids. This unprecedented discovery elicited only a passing line of comment in the earlier of the two papers.

My first thoughts as to origin were directed towards the well known natural hydroxylated amphetamines such as norephedrine, ephedrine and N-methylephedrine. I know that ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, frequent precursors in the illegal synthesis of methamphetamine, can be reduced to methamphetamine as an artifact of analysis. The sample insertion conditions of the gas chromatograph can effect this conversion. But then, there was no mention of any of these hydroxylated alkaloids as being present in either Acacia.

Might a contaminated round-bottomed flask have been purchased at a garage sale outside an abandoned meth-lab and served as the source of these "man-made" compounds? Unlikely, even in Texas.

Even more dramatic, one of these amphetamines, the 4-Methoxyamphetamine, is the increasingly notorious PMA that is appearing as one of the lethal "Ecstasy" offerings in the rave scene.

Several months ago I tried to contact, individually, the two principal authors, by both e-mail and personal snail-mail, and I have received no response as yet.

There is certainly precedent for a drug which was originally man-made, to be discovered in a plant. N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) was first synthesized by Manske, in Canada, in the 1930s. It was over twenty years later that it was discovered in a plant from South America. But such an event usually evokes considerable commentary. Here it seems that an exciting story is being ignored. Am I missing something?

-- Dr. Shulgin

I have no idea if he ever got an answer and will try to contact him as well, worst case I will locate and gather several Texas samples and submit them ideally to Shulgin, UT to some student that might go the GC-MS and write a paper with results, and possibly some Nexians with true GC-MS access not some one just desiring the plant product for personal testing on their own body and mind.

It seems the results highly important to know since this effects livestock goats so profoundly (wobbles, infertility , possible teratogenic effects, death of goats during transport etc).

It annoys me to no end that seemingly not one person has not found reaffirming or denying the original results important.

Dr. Shulgin made some important comments on the results, and that no one would return any types of communications.

GC-MS insertion process could cause a reduction of ephedrine or related alkaloids, thus although various amphetamines might not occur naturally it could be reduced to form amphetamines. This has been proven to occur and is not theory. Probationers taking pseudoephedrine beware. In case your knowledge of chemistry limited ephedrines molecule is slightly more complicated than methamphetamine so it only requires a reduction of the molecule to convert it.

 

[shrimpdiablo]

This website may be helpful for other acacia to look for.

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/ornamentals/nativeshrubs/indexcommon.htm

It has 14 different acacias if i recall correctly.
I'm not sure which ones may contain what you are looking for

 

[shrimpdiablo]

This may also be useful for the USA.

http://www.wildflower.org/plants/search.php?search_field=scientific+or+common+names&newsearch=true&family=Fabaceae